Confirmed Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

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Gibbs and Cotchin.
One of these players is younger.
One of these players is a 3 times B&F winner.
One of these players is a captain.
One of these players won an afl poty.
One of these players has been AA.
One of these players will soon be announced as a rightful brownlow medalist.
Apples and Oranges.
One has won an AFL finals game.
 

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Adelaide made the decision to trade Bernie Vince, you could have probably got more for him if you really wanted. He never wanted to leave the Crows

Gibbs has said he wants to go to Adelaide, as far as Carlton are concerned, he is contracted until the end of 2019 and is a required player, if Adelaide want him then they will have to pay overs for him.

If a suitable trade that satisfies Carlton can't be reached, Gibbs will be back at Carlton next year or he can sit at home playing Xbox
Damn, there goes our tilt at a Premiership!
 

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Carlton have had depth issues the entire time he has been at the club. Chris Judd was our most prolific player the time he was there and naturally Gibbs and Murphy have been our 2nd and 3rd mids.

Perhaps there have been examples for uncontracted players or free agents but Gibbs is a contracted player, who is very much required by the club.

You can think it is crazy all you want, your club was overzealous in announcing Gibbs wanted to come home before having preliminary discussions with Carlton; gauging how realistic a trade would be. You've backed yourself into a corner.

We're not just evaluating the trade on emotion, we're looking at other intangible factors, many of which have already been discussed

1. Contracted until 2019. We've reiterated we're happy to retain him should a trade not eventuate.
2. Provides leadership and experience in a midfield group bereft of it. Is required not just for his footballing ability but also his mentorship and guidance.
3. Crows need to inject a player of his calibre right away before GWS, The Bulldogs and Sydney get too far ahead. They know the opportunity is now.
4. The Crows back out and they've let their supporters and members down. Rarely do they get a gun asking to come home and if they cannot organise a trade there will understandably be some dissent.
You seem to place really high value on these intangibles. No other club will care what your club think is valuable. His 3 year contract with you means nothing to us.

All that means is a deal won't happen and he'll stay a Blue. You want more for him than we think he's worth. So, have faith then that he plays for you next year.
 
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You seem to place really high value on these intangibles. No other club will care what your club think is valuable. His 3 year contract with you means nothing to us.

All that means is a deal won't happen and he'll stay a Blue. You want more for him than we think he's worth. So, have faith then that he plays for you next year.
Spot on.

If you can't satisfy us with a trade, Gibbs will stay at Carlton.
 

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Matthew Hogg won a flag for you.
I'm talking individual talent, not club talent.
Simple fact is Gibbs has had an average output and Carlton should be thrilled to get pick 13 and clear some cap space. He's overpaid, underperformed and has a man bun.
What he did to you guys in a final is the exact reason Adelaide want him. Genuine match winner.
 
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Gibbs and Cotchin.
One of these players is younger.
One of these players is a 3 times B&F winner.
One of these players is a captain.
One of these players won an afl poty.
One of these players has been AA.
One of these players will soon be announced as a rightful brownlow medalist.
Apples and Oranges.
Gibbs' last final - 27 disposals
Cotchin's last final - 9 disposals

Apples and Lemons
 

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Exactly, you just compared a good career with one good game.

Apples and lemons indeed!
He had a good patch 4 year ago, to which he accumulated a panoply of individual awards. Since then, he has regressed, and played some truly shocking finals; which as captain is unacceptable.
 
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Then why are you shopping him to Adelaide? Why have you decided to try and cash in on his long term contract?
Have you followed this trade at all?

Your club wants him, Gibbs is open to going home but the interest is mostly from his partner. Your club overzealously announced his intentions to come home, without consulting with us and exploring if it was possible. We haven't shopped him and it is our preference he remain.

If a suitable trade cannot be arranged, we are happy to have him stay and utilise his leadership and experience with our young group.
 

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Yeah it could be 18 or it could be 11. It would be a gamble you could win or lose.

It is just an option amongst a few though.

Think i'll just sit back and see how this one plays out from here.

We are going to get a good deal for Gibbs regardless.
Why's that? If we don't overpay, which you think you're entitled to, then we can just move on having lost, wait for it....... nothing but overpaying to acquire the missing piece to our flag puzzle. No potential egg on red faces there, smart thing for us is to walk if we're expected to pay more than his value as a footballer with 3 seasons left of his prime. To us, that they're contracted is relevant. It's your problem that you have a guy on your list who doesn't want to be there. Perhaps this has escaped Swann and Icke as well.
 
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I think the thing that Carlton fans are missing is that Gibbs re signed as a free agent in 2014 under Mick and was sold Mick's plan of Carlton's future. Adelaide were all over the shop at the time with draft bans and being months away from sacking Sando. Why would you leave if you believe the plan sold to you?

Fast forward 2 years and the plan Gibbs was sold under Mick doesn't exist. New coach, new recruiters, new plan forward. He has every right to reassess and hold Carlton accountable for not holding up their end of the deal presented to him when he re signed. Money is only one part of the equation when re signing, you have to believe what the coaches and executives are selling as their plan forward as well.

We all know Gibbs is contracted but the key is what he was sold at the time of being a free agent hasn't eventuated and once a player is unhappy and wants to leave it will nearly ALWAYS happen.

As for Adelaide constantly screwing Carlton over, you wouldn't pay Eddie the money he was clearly worth and forced him out the door as a free agent. No screwing over there. And Jacobs was the number 4 behind Kreuzer, Warnock and Hampson. If Shaun Hampson was considered better than me at anything other than picking up super models, I would want to leave as well.

Yes Gibbs was a number one draft pick but in 200 games he's been B&F once and AA squad once. Either he's not as good as what Carlton fans are now claiming or your development coaches and the toxic Carlton environment didn't bring out the best in him. As mentioned earlier in the thread, Bernie Vince was a B&F winner, AA squad once and Michael Tuck medalist prior to being traded for a 2nd round pick and going on to win his second B&F with his new team. They both average very similar numbers over the last 10 years.

Pick 13 and Lyons is massive overs. Pick 13 and Grigg, CEY or McKay are probably still overs but the steak knives might keep some of you delusional Blues fans happy.
 

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A mid-range first rounder isn't enough for a contracted gun, who is currently one of our few A-graders and leaders.

We can get more for him, so we are. Adelaide will part with more than they want to our they won't receive him at all.

Nobody has said it is nothing of value; just that it isn't enough in the context of this trade.
If he's contracted, a gun and one of your few a-graders and leaders, why are you trying to sell him to us. Wouldn't you be better off telling him you're not trading him.
 
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Have you followed this trade at all?

Your club wants him, Gibbs is open to going home but the interest is mostly from his partner. Your club overzealously announced his intentions to come home, without consulting with us and exploring if it was possible. We haven't shopped him and it is our preference he remain.

If a suitable trade cannot be arranged, we are happy to have him stay and utilise his leadership and experience with our young group.
Was it Gibbs or his partner having coffee with Tex in Byron on the weekend? Unless he was a guest at Sloane's wedding it's a very specific trip to make if you're only 'open to going home but the interest is mostly from his partner'. FYI blokes give up careers and change jobs everyday of the week to keep their partners happy.
 
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Was it Gibbs or his partner having coffee with Tex in Byron on the weekend? Unless he was a guest at Sloane's wedding it's a very specific trip to make if you only 'open to going home but the interest is mostly from his partner'. FYI blokes give up careers and change jobs everyday of the week to keep their partners happy.
He is the one changing clubs so naturally he is going to be the one on the forefront. Do you think Mrs Gibbs is going to be on the phone talking to his manager too?

Gibbs is the one being traded so of course he is going to be out building relationships, getting intel and having some general chit-chat with his potential new team-mates.

Yes, people do change jobs often. What's your point?
 
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Why's that? If we don't overpay, which you think you're entitled to, then we can just move on having lost, wait for it....... nothing but overpaying to acquire the missing piece to our flag puzzle. No potential egg on red faces there, smart thing for us is to walk if we're expected to pay more than his value as a footballer with 3 seasons left of his prime. To us, that they're contracted is relevant. It's your problem that you have a guy on your list who doesn't want to be there. Perhaps this has escaped Swann and Icke as well.
It's going to be much more corrosive for your club than it will be for us. It's a lost opportunity and could be the difference between you guys making the 4 and being further left being by GWS, The Bulldogs and Sydney.

Bryce is happy to stay if the two clubs cannot come to an agreement.
 
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If he's contracted, a gun and one of your few a-graders and leaders, why are you trying to sell him to us. Wouldn't you be better off telling him you're not trading him.
Have you been following the trade at all? It is Gibbs and his management who are trying to get him home and Adelaide are trying to coax him.

We have reiterated our disappointment but understand the circumstances and are now trying to facilitate a trade that will benefit us in the long term. If we aren't satisfied, we will not trade.
 
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It's going to be much more corrosive for your club than it will be for us. It's a lost opportunity and could be the difference between you guys making the 4 and being further left being by GWS, The Bulldogs and Sydney.

Bryce is happy to stay if the two clubs cannot come to an agreement.
How do you know this? He has made no comment of the sort. All we know for sure is that his manager approached the Crows about a trade. That sounds to me like he wants a trade...
 

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It's going to be much more corrosive for your club than it will be for us. It's a lost opportunity and could be the difference between you guys making the 4 and being further left being by GWS, The Bulldogs and Sydney.

Bryce is happy to stay if the two clubs cannot come to an agreement.
We lost Danger (how careless of us) and 'somehow' managed to get better in the off season. Perhaps recruitment isn't the only way to become a better team?
 
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