My quote was directed at Pinot. I'm not offering anything up, I'm happy if we keep CEY and Lyons. I'm not concerned with what Carlton are obliged to do or not.
Gibbs is at the back end of his career, he hasn't lived up to the standard everyone thought he offered, borderline elite. I think pick 13 is fair, maybe throw in a fringe player or a round two but that's it.