Confirmed Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

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The best thing for Carlton in the short term is if Gibbs is pissed off

If Adelaide can't get the deal done then maybe he'll entertain offers from other clubs. Sure he wants to go home to mommy but if that's not happening then another club might satisfy Carlton and his desire to play for a contender.
Unless another club has a postcode starting with 5 it won't happen, ports maybe but they can't afford a packet of twisties and they want more high picks in the draft or they could swap Hartlett for Gibbs but that is going backwards on what Adelaide would offer
 
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No they don't ,poor Gibbs won't be able to live back at the bay

And bretty bolton will have to continue to play a player in his team that doesn't want to be there

Isn't he on record as saying he despises that and he only wants players who are wanting to be there. Oh well poor Bolton will have to compromise his beliefs, doesn't strike me the sort to do that
Big Boys don't sign 5 year contracts and suddenly realise they want out.
Bryce is aware of his postion and obligations and has been very happy with CFC for many years. I'm sure there is no rancour.
If Adeliade are seizing the moment and want their prodigal son to return they'll have to pay the premium because he's a high quality footballer.
I expect the deal will be done Monday or Tuesday and yes Adelaide will up the offer and that's certain.
 

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Not elite hey then illuminate us all what is an elite player? The Crows would be dribbling with joy if they were to acquire Bryce Gibbs for pick 13 and Lyons.
1st rounders 2016 & 2017 and may be we'll toss in and return our 2nd rounder 2016.
That's some what closer to the mark.
A securiely contracted former 1 pick quality talent and durable footballer don't come cheap.
I think we'd be fine with that.

Honestly, the amount of posturing in this thread, when most are completely fine with a trade that is a first and a second, or two firsts and a second coming back.
 

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Because the Crows announced it without working out if they even had the currency to pay for it, and without us even agreeing that we would try to trade out a contracted player.
It's not like the Crows announced a trade. Don't be a child.

The Crows mentioned that Gibbs had expressed his interest and commitment to returning to Adelaide. Nothing about that is untrue or wrong to say.
 
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It's not like the Crows announced a trade. Don't be a child.

The Crows mentioned that Gibbs had expressed his interest and commitment to returning to Adelaide. Nothing about that is untrue or wrong to say.
I didn't say I was upset. I thought he had asked why Carlton were upset and that is the answer. I personally couldn't give a shit.
 

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Actually, Carlton have been in the bottom 8 for 5 of the 10 seasons Gibbs has been with us.
Actually you won enough games to qualify 3 times in 10 years (2009, 2010, 2011). As I said 'in a team that has mostly finished in the bottom 8 for most of his career', he has won one best and fairest in that time. An elite player does better than that and averages more than 22 possessions a game. Good player not elite

Good luck to you if you get two first rounders but he is definitely not worth that, especially at 28.
 

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Not elite hey then illuminate us all what is an elite player? The Crows would be dribbling with joy if they were to acquire Bryce Gibbs for pick 13 and Lyons.
1st rounders 2016 & 2017 and may be we'll toss in and return our 2nd rounder 2016.
That's some what closer to the mark.
A securiely contracted former 1 pick quality talent and durable footballer don't come cheap.
In response to your question- a mixture of multiple B&F, multiple AA, multiple top 5 finishes MVP etc.

Two first rounders or a first rounder and a first round quality young player like Crouch is not something that I see as comparable to Gibbs. Good luck to you if it happens, you will have traded well. In fact I hope it does happen there should be a premium on good players leaving especially during a contract but he isn't worth that IMO.
 

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In response to your question- a mixture of multiple B&F, multiple AA, multiple top 5 finishes MVP etc.

Two first rounders or a first rounder and a first round quality young player like Crouch is not something that I see as comparable to Gibbs. Good luck to you if it happens, you will have traded well. In fact I hope it does happen there should be a premium on good players leaving especially during a contract but he isn't worth that IMO.

You're right. If it does happen we clearly paid overs, I hope it doesn't and we walk away but then that's the AFC s decision and they will have to live with their decision , personally I would rather them walk away than sell the farm

If he stays Bolton will be tested on his philosophies as a coach and that in itself will be good to see. And listen to what spin he puts on it
 

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28yo, one time B&F in a team that has been in the bottom 8 for most of his career. Good player but no where near elite.

There are only a handful of truly elite players in the league at any one time and at the moment you could name

Danger
Fyfe
Buddy
GAJ

Then you have extremely good players like

Pendelbury
Kennedy
Mitchell
Betts
Rioli
Gray
Selwood
Proddis
Bontenpelli
Rewoldt
The list could go on

Gibbs may or may not make that list but he isn't elite in fact I would probably rate Sloane higher
 

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The best thing for Carlton in the short term is if Gibbs is pissed off

If Adelaide can't get the deal done then maybe he'll entertain offers from other clubs. Sure he wants to go home to mummy but if that's not happening then another club might satisfy Carlton and his desire to play for a contender.
His partner has post natal depression and needs her familys support, so great way to downplay mental health dude.
 

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Just get this crap done, we're never going to get what we want.

Just cut our losses and move onto other deals.
You will get the max for Gibbs this year right now , we are reasonable . You won't get any better deals for him after this trade period and if he isn't completely settled there I don't see the point in holding him

Fair play the way SOS is waiting this out and I think 13 + a 2nd rounder will be the result which is more than we want to pay and less than you want
 

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The way Carlton is handling this is pretty poor. What was the point in turfing Kernahan to take a new direction, and then appointing Silvagni? More amateur mismanagement from a club determined to stay in the 1970s.


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The way Carlton is handling this is pretty poor. What was the point in turfing Kernahan to take a new direction, and then appointing Silvagni? More amateur mismanagement from a club determined to stay in the 1970s.


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I'm not sure it's being handled o poorly if it gets done in the last minute of trade week who cares

Adelaide really don't have that many deals on the go so it won't affect us with other trades
 

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There are only a handful of truly elite players in the league at any one time and at the moment you could name

Danger
Fyfe
Buddy
GAJ

Then you have extremely good players like

Pendelbury
Kennedy
Mitchell
Betts
Rioli
Gray
Selwood
Proddis
Bontenpelli
Rewoldt
The list could go on

Gibbs may or may not make that list but he isn't elite in fact I would probably rate Sloane higher
Your post engages in semantic reasoning (some of which I agree with, some of which I do not), namely whether Gibbs is "elite" to justify his trade value.

The semantic argument is beside the point. Because Gibbs is a contracted player he will not move without CFC consent. The sole question for the AFC should be whether the addition of Gibbs with the loss of draft picks/players to satisfy CFC will increase your chance of winning a Premiership. If it does, then no matter how much it might be thought AFC paid overs it will be a good deal. Think Tom Boyd.

On that sole question my observation is that the AFC have quality forwards, quality backs and so long as Jacobs stands up, a quality ruckman to win a Flag. Your midfield is led admirably by Sloane and there is some midfield support for him but you do not bat as deep as other teams competing for a flag. Gibbs (however he is rated, and I do NOT rate him as elite) would add significantly to your biggest weakness. And he wants to play for you.

From the CFC perspective, we have only a handful of players that would get a game for any other club, have consistently lost such players in seasons past and have 2, in Tuohy and Gibbs, wanting to jump ship this year. For us Gibbs is a high quality footballer and a high quality person. He has shown loyalty to us in the past (witness his 5 year contract). I have no doubt if a deal cannot be done for him he will, like Wayne Campbell in the past, continue to be the quality professional footballer he has always been. Apart from his on-field leadership he is a good experienced influence for younger players. And if we can start plugging the leaking we might actually start building a team. So CFC will only want to part with Gibbs if you make the deal a no-brainer.

As to your semantic argument, your definition of elite IMO is too narrow. I would certainly rate Sloane and Eddie as elite and, to repeat, have never regarded Gibbs as elite. But if you want him (and you might) you will have to pay for him, HARD. But don't worry, just think what good value you have got for Sammy when the trading circumstances between our clubs were reversed. At the time I posted you had just got yourself a long term first choice ruckman and you got him for relative peanuts because CFC had an apparent surfeit of the type.
 

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Your post engages in semantic reasoning (some of which I agree with, some of which I do not), namely whether Gibbs is "elite" to justify his trade value.

The semantic argument is beside the point. Because Gibbs is a contracted player he will not move without CFC consent. The sole question for the AFC should be whether the addition of Gibbs with the loss of draft picks/players to satisfy CFC will increase your chance of winning a Premiership. If it does, then no matter how much it might be thought AFC paid overs it will be a good deal. Think Tom Boyd.

On that sole question my observation is that the AFC have quality forwards, quality backs and so long as Jacobs stands up, a quality ruckman to win a Flag. Your midfield is led admirably by Sloane and there is some midfield support for him but you do not bat as deep as other teams competing for a flag. Gibbs (however he is rated, and I do NOT rate him as elite) would add significantly to your biggest weakness. And he wants to play for you.

From the CFC perspective, we have only a handful of players that would get a game for any other club, have consistently lost such players in seasons past and have 2, in Tuohy and Gibbs, wanting to jump ship this year. For us Gibbs is a high quality footballer and a high quality person. He has shown loyalty to us in the past (witness his 5 year contract). I have no doubt if a deal cannot be done for him he will, like Wayne Campbell in the past, continue to be the quality professional footballer he has always been. Apart from his on-field leadership he is a good experienced influence for younger players. And if we can start plugging the leaking we might actually start building a team. So CFC will only want to part with Gibbs if you make the deal a no-brainer.

As to your semantic argument, your definition of elite IMO is too narrow. I would certainly rate Sloane and Eddie as elite and, to repeat, have never regarded Gibbs as elite. But if you want him (and you might) you will have to pay for him, HARD. But don't worry, just think what good value you have got for Sammy when the trading circumstances between our clubs were reversed. At the time I posted you had just got yourself a long term first choice ruckman and you got him for relative peanuts because CFC had an apparent surfeit of the type.

I believe both crouches will develop and will go a long way this coming year, last year they both improved three fold, so do we need to recruit Gibbs or put faith into what we have

As for Carlton and Gibbs yes he doesn't have to leave is contracted but has clearly stated he wants to live in Adelaide

The question mark for you is Brett boltons reaction to this, having a player that doesn't want to be there his philosophies seem non negotiable
 

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I believe both crouches will develop and will go a long way this coming year, last year they both improved three fold, so do we need to recruit Gibbs or put faith into what we have

As for Carlton and Gibbs yes he doesn't have to leave is contracted but has clearly stated he wants to live in Adelaide

The question mark for you is Brett boltons reaction to this, having a player that doesn't want to be there his philosophies seem non negotiable
Brendon
 

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Seems Adelaide are being foolish in what they are offering. Most of what they have offered has been like steak knives.

Is the Gibbs thing also about just being in Adelaide and therefore open to an offer by Port Adelaide?

I'm thinking there is a chance of the above.

Port's first round pick and Lobbe for Gibbs.
 
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