Confirmed Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

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You can't trade out too many of your older players. They are needed for guidance and experience and as developed AFL bodies. We traded out a few last year and we are trading out Tuohy this year as well. The trade will probably be done but I totally understand this not being in our plans. We don't want to be so youth-centric that we end up like Melbourne where we lose so much that we have trouble learning how to win. We were very much like this 2005-2007 and needed the leadership of Judd to kick start us again. In those first couple of years Murphy and Gibbs were disenchanted with losing and Kennedy's developed stalled.
We still have enough experience around the club that we can afford to let Gibbs go. We're supposed to be in a full rebuild yet our list is not in the top 8 youngest lists.

At this stage in our rebuild pick 13 is more valuable as an opportunity than Gibbs is to see out his contract with us.
 

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The Melbourne whose list is starting to take shape and has some very nice young players they drafted on it?
They started rebuilding back in 2007.

They have had to trade in senior players because of the mistake they made in kicking them all out.

We started our rebuild in 2015.
 

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They started rebuilding back in 2007.

They have had to trade in senior players because of the mistake they made in kicking them all out.

We started our rebuild in 2015.
And even if we traded Gibbs we'd still have plenty of experience around the club as well as a first round draft pick and some nice $ cleared from the cap going forward.
 
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The Melbourne whose list is starting to take shape and has some very nice young players they drafted on it?
Why do you think they brought Daniel Cross and Bernie Vince into the team?

Having leadership and experience helps to accelerate the development of the younger brigade, and Bryce would still play a crucial role in our rebuild if we are unable to facilitate a trade.
 
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We still have enough experience around the club that we can afford to let Gibbs go. We're supposed to be in a full rebuild yet our list is not in the top 8 youngest lists.

At this stage in our rebuild pick 13 is more valuable as an opportunity than Gibbs is to see out his contract with us.
Look at our 24 and over list.

Simpson - how long will he go on. Good leader though
Walker - retired
Jamison - retired
Armfield - is he getting another year? Will he be best 22?
Wood - retired
Thomas - looks cooked. Waiting out his contract
Murphy - Captain, good player, injured a lot these days
Rowe - Will he continue to be best 22. Serviceable.
White - fringe player
Everitt - Out of favour. Will be be traded or delisted?
Gibbs - wants to be traded
Kreuzer - the new whipping boy. Can he get over his injuries?
Curnow - not a star but leads be example
Tuohy - wants to be traded
Wright - fringe player, only here one year.
Casboult - everybody seems to want him gone. Fringe.
Sheehan - rookie injured for 2 years. Will he make the cut?
Jones - Do I need to say anything?
Tutt - see above
Phillips - one season in, not a leader
Korcheck - Project player rookie
Gorringe - fringe
Lamb - depth
Whiley - probably gone.

Be honest, where is the experience and leadership in that list? How many are in your best 22? I can see maybe 4 other than Gibbs.
 
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Why do you think they brought Daniel Cross and Bernie Vince into the team?

Having leadership and experience helps to accelerate the development of the younger brigade, and Bryce would still play a crucial role in our rebuild if we are unable to facilitate a trade.
Murphy, Curnow, Simpson, Thomas, White etc etc.

Development of players is up to the coaching staff, not the other players. If we need players to be mentored we have past players who can come in and do that. Like Judd has done with Cripps.
 

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Look at our 24 and over list.

Simpson - how long will he go on. Good leader though
Walker - retired
Jamison - retired
Armfield - is he getting another year? Will he be best 22?
Wood - retired
Thomas - looks cooked. Waiting out his contract
Murphy - Captain, good player, injured a lot these days
Rowe - Will he continue to be best 22. Serviceable.
Everitt - Out of favour. Will be be traded or delisted?
Gibbs - wants to be traded
Kreuzer - the new whipping boy. Can he get over his injuries?
Curnow - not a star but leads be example
Tuohy - wants to be traded
Wright - fringe player, only here one year.
Casboult - everybody seems to want him gone. Fringe.
Sheehan - rookie injured for 2 years. Will he make the cut?
Jones - Do I need to say anything?
Tutt - see above
Phillips - one season in, not a leader
Korcheck - Project player rookie
Gorringe - fringe
Lamb - depth
Whiley - probably gone.

Be honest, where is the experience and leadership in that list? How many are in your best 22? I can see maybe 4 other than Gibbs.
There's enough there to take us a couple of years on when the likes of Cripps will be nearing their mid 20's.
 
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Murphy, Curnow, Simpson, Thomas, White etc etc.

Development of players is up to the coaching staff, not the other players. If we need players to be mentored we have past players who can come in and do that. Like Judd has done with Cripps.
I like the etc etc part. Not much depth there right. Thomas and White are no walk up starts anymore.

As for not needing on field development ... surely you jest?
 

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Murphy, Curnow, Simpson, Thomas, White etc etc.

Development of players is up to the coaching staff, not the other players. If we need players to be mentored we have past players who can come in and do that. Like Judd has done with Cripps.
Thomas and White will spend quite a bit of time at VFL level next year and Simpson only has a few years left, which leaves us with just Murphy and Curnow. That's very little depth in our leadership stocks.

Gibbs plays on important role in leading by example, providing guidance and remaining composed while in the midst of a contest. These characteristics are highly transferrable and set the tone for others around him. They are also attractive traits for Adelaide, who also need that leadership to assist their developing mids.

What Gibbs brings as a whole isn't easily replaced.
 

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Murphy, Curnow, Simpson, Thomas, White etc etc.
I would have included Phillips to the ODN list of top 22 players 24 plus. I would not have included Daisy or White. Even including them the loss of the on-field leadership Gibbs can provide, down back, midfield or up forward, would be massive.

Development of players is up to the coaching staff, not the other players. If we need players to be mentored we have past players who can come in and do that. Like Judd has done with Cripps.
All of that is true. And beside the point. A player getting a bath can't whip off the field, trot down to Lygon St for a latte and a chat with Judd, understand what he needs to do and then go back on the field. Gibbs can tell him either by example or a simply expressed statement like "block the opposition player's dominant right-hand side".
 

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Can't believe the Crows baulked at 13+Cameron. It's a no brainer, Cameron is a spud who won't be in their 22 next year. A small forward who averages a goal a game and less than 5 tackles a game is ordinary.
 
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Can't believe the Crows baulked at 13+Cameron. It's a no brainer, Cameron is a spud who won't be in their 22 next year. A small forward who averages a goal a game and less than 5 tackles a game is ordinary.
Cameron is decent and the type of player we don't have a lot of, with his pace and x-factor.

Out of all the players we've proposed (McGovern, Lever, M. Crouch, B. Crouch), he is the most expendable.
 

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Can't believe the Crows baulked at 13+Cameron. It's a no brainer, Cameron is a spud who won't be in their 22 next year. A small forward who averages a goal a game and less than 5 tackles a game is ordinary.
You should actually watch football.

Cameron has MASSIVE tools - incredibly fast, high pressure, strong overhead. He will push up the ground next year and his numbers will increase again, as they have every year.

He's not there to kick goals (we have a few people taking care of that), he's there for turnovers and pressure acts.

He was a massive part of our 17 win year.

Carlton absolutely DREAMING if they thought they'd get Charlie or McGovern as well as pick 13!!
 

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There are only a handful of truly elite players in the league at any one time and at the moment you could name


Gibbs may or may not make that list but he isn't elite in fact I would probably rate Sloane higher
Agree, although I think Gibbs has a higher ceiling than Sloane but has a laconic style and has never strung it together for long periods.
 

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Can't believe the Crows baulked at 13+Cameron. It's a no brainer, Cameron is a spud who won't be in their 22 next year. A small forward who averages a goal a game and less than 5 tackles a game is ordinary.
Oh look, it's Bradesmaen calling a crows player shit. I for one am totally shocked.
 
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