Roast Bryce Gibbs

[Vhaluus]

Jenkins looked very cheap into his first 2 years of that 5 year contract, a forward who could kick 40+ goals and go into the ruck for $550K per year (I think he can get back to that form) and I still maintain Gibbs is easily worth pick 10 in a weak draft (if you look at the trade more closely).

He may have gone into the ruck, but he can't actually ruck.

We'd have been better sending no-one into the ruck.

 

[Geoffa32]

Defensive running apparently.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/le...n/news-story/dae0460d0e8d9270cdc625433e2b700c

Fox Sports News’ AFL correspondent Julian de Stoop said a lack of defensive pressure and defensive running had contributed to Gibbs’ omission.

“Since the teams came out I’ve spoken to a couple of people at Adelaide and they’re adamant it was why he was dropped the first time, it’s defensive pressure, it’s lack of defensive running,” de Stoop said.

“And if you look at some of the kids that are in the Crows side right now, a (Chayce) Jones, a (Ned) McHenry — that’s what they bring to the side and Gibbs doesn’t.

“So he’s (Don Pyke’s) been tough on him this year and he’s (Gibbs has) probably gotten away with it in the past but it’s not going to happen under Don Pyke.”

That is one area that has changed since the Norf game

And why Jenkins and Gibbs aren't in Pykes best 22.

When you set an defensive trap and one or two guys don't commit to it, the trap is useless.



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[Vhaluus]

There was also a 50/50 chance that we would lose BOTH Sloane and Lynch to Victorian deals.
Sliding doors, imagine if we lost both of them, and Brad Crouch was = Joe Daniher injury prone.
Gibbs was midfield insurance for that possibility, and we certainly needed him last year with Sloane and both Crouches out at various times.

The club could not necessarily have forecast future attitude problems for someone who was generally viewed to have had high standards and consistency during his time at Carlton. Most thought Tom Rockliff at Port had fallen off a cliff last year, but he has had multiple 40+ possession games this year. We will have to see if Gibbs wants to do the work to get back on track.

There were MULTIPLE cheaper midfield options than 2x first rounders for ****ing Bryce Gibbs.

Stop trying to find excuses for the worst trade our club has made since Wayne Carey (and yes, it's worse than Tambling)

 

[thebirdman 24]

I think we really screwed the pooch on this trade. Luckily we should hopefully return the favour this year with pick 1 (fingers crossed)

 

[jenny61_99]

Regardless of whether we screwed the pooch or whatever.... I'm pleased that he's been set a task and if he doesn't achieve it, he gets dropped. That's how it should be... and they are clearly taking a stronger stance now (JJ, Gibbs).

 

[BunjiMac]

Defensive running apparently.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/le...n/news-story/dae0460d0e8d9270cdc625433e2b700c

Fox Sports News’ AFL correspondent Julian de Stoop said a lack of defensive pressure and defensive running had contributed to Gibbs’ omission.

“Since the teams came out I’ve spoken to a couple of people at Adelaide and they’re adamant it was why he was dropped the first time, it’s defensive pressure, it’s lack of defensive running,” de Stoop said.

“And if you look at some of the kids that are in the Crows side right now, a (Chayce) Jones, a (Ned) McHenry — that’s what they bring to the side and Gibbs doesn’t.

“So he’s (Don Pyke’s) been tough on him this year and he’s (Gibbs has) probably gotten away with it in the past but it’s not going to happen under Don Pyke.”

Weird, Atkins been doing this for years

 

[John Who]

Regardless of whether we screwed the pooch or whatever.... I'm pleased that he's been set a task and if he doesn't achieve it, he gets dropped. That's how it should be... and they are clearly taking a stronger stance now (JJ, Gibbs).

I think people are not appreciating the influence it has to drop a star player, even despite reasonably good stats.

It sends a message “no matter how good your AFL ranking has been, no matter how much money you’re being paid, no matter your individual accolades, we only care about your team-oriented actions.”

You can only send this message when dropping a star player in Gibbs/JJ. The whole team is under notice and everyone has generally lifted since the early rounds.

 

[conVINCEd]

Defensive running apparently.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/le...n/news-story/dae0460d0e8d9270cdc625433e2b700c

Fox Sports News’ AFL correspondent Julian de Stoop said a lack of defensive pressure and defensive running had contributed to Gibbs’ omission.

“Since the teams came out I’ve spoken to a couple of people at Adelaide and they’re adamant it was why he was dropped the first time, it’s defensive pressure, it’s lack of defensive running,” de Stoop said.

“And if you look at some of the kids that are in the Crows side right now, a (Chayce) Jones, a (Ned) McHenry — that’s what they bring to the side and Gibbs doesn’t.

“So he’s (Don Pyke’s) been tough on him this year and he’s (Gibbs has) probably gotten away with it in the past but it’s not going to happen under Don Pyke.”

There’s likely truth in this from de Stoop but then he tries to add his own analysis despite McHenry not having played a game.

 

[jackster83]

Defensive running apparently.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/le...n/news-story/dae0460d0e8d9270cdc625433e2b700c

Fox Sports News’ AFL correspondent Julian de Stoop said a lack of defensive pressure and defensive running had contributed to Gibbs’ omission.

“Since the teams came out I’ve spoken to a couple of people at Adelaide and they’re adamant it was why he was dropped the first time, it’s defensive pressure, it’s lack of defensive running,” de Stoop said.

“And if you look at some of the kids that are in the Crows side right now, a (Chayce) Jones, a (Ned) McHenry — that’s what they bring to the side and Gibbs doesn’t.

“So he’s (Don Pyke’s) been tough on him this year and he’s (Gibbs has) probably gotten away with it in the past but it’s not going to happen under Don Pyke.”

Except McHenry isn't even in the side.

Gallucci is non-existent defensively, Atkins and CEY are poor in this regard also.

I'm not upset Gibbs is out but our reasons don't make a lot of sense.

 

[Scorpus]

Can't help but feel like we're setting a different standard for Gibbs than blokes like Atkins.

As if Gibbs defensive actions were worse than Atkins. Or even Mackay who didn't lay a single tackle

 

[SuperBashBros]

Except McHenry isn't even in the side.

Gallucci is non-existent defensively, Atkins and CEY are poor in this regard also.

I'm not upset Gibbs is out but our reasons don't make a lot of sense.

Most of Atkins 25 touches against port were in the back half. Gooch went back with courage deep inside their 50 to take a defensive intercept mark. CEY is always around the stoppage, wherever that is...including defensive half.

Off the mark. And clearly by those players holding their spots.

 

[Smoooothy]

just watching gibbs run this season, he looks lazy and unwilling to get out of 1st or 2nd gear

he's not really breaking lines, just getting the easy touch on the outside and flicking it on

 

[baldandbroke]

Can someone outline exactly what the trade was for Gibbs in terms of picks swapped?

What the club's do with picks is a different discussion ... But this idea that he cost us two first round picks that gets trotted out is just bulldust.

He is definitely struggling at the moment, his disposal has dropped right off. When you are in the team for your smart positioning and clever use of the ball ... Completely missing targets and finding yourself in no man's land consistently is not great. He just doesn't get enough of it to be wasteful when he does get it.

I have hope that he can get back to last year's form ... that would be a useful addition if we make the finals.

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[Drewie11]

Really disappointed we dropped him this week, I thought his effort was up and played a good game. There were worse players out there

 

[hippyhippy]

This is how we need to treat players who are not to standard required.. although i didnt think he was bad last week... i like what this is signaling to the rest of the players.

 

[maxlilly]

No where to be seen when the game was up for grabs in the second half. Had a good little patch in the first half when he kicked a couple of goals then missed an easy one. He needs to get more involved and force his way into the game. his attitude seems poor, and it needs to change.

If Gibbs didn't miss that easy goal straight in front and ended up with 3 goals, that would have made selections interesting.
Maybe the same result but it could have made it harder for the selectors to drop him.

 

[MRB37]

Can't help but feel like we're setting a different standard for Gibbs than blokes like Atkins.

As if Gibbs defensive actions were worse than Atkins. Or even Mackay who didn't lay a single tackle

There's more to defense than laying tackles.

And yes, there would be different standards. Gibbs is at the coalface, Atkins an outside receiver who shouldn't be getting sucked into contests if support is there.

Gibbs had 16 pressure acts last week, Jones led us with 27, Sloane, Gooch, Greenwood, Crouch, Lynch, Mackay had more than Gibbs. Even Tex pulled off 16, as did Atkins.

 

[Scorpus]

There's more to defense than laying tackles.

And yes, there would be different standards. Gibbs is at the coalface, Atkins an outside receiver who shouldn't be getting sucked into contests if support is there.

Gibbs had 16 pressure acts last week, Jones led us with 27, Sloane, Gooch, Greenwood, Crouch, Lynch, Mackay had more than Gibbs. Even Tex pulled off 16, as did Atkins.

CEY had 15 pressure acts and 4 tackles. Gibbs had 16 and 5 tackles. CEY also had fewer touches and didn't hit the scoreboard.

Brad Crouch was only slightly better at 19 pressure acts and 7 tackles. Of course he actually played four quarters.

Mackay had one extra pressure act but didn't lay a tackle.

Again. Double standards.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Except McHenry isn't even in the side.

Gallucci is non-existent defensively, Atkins and CEY are poor in this regard also.

I'm not upset Gibbs is out but our reasons don't make a lot of sense.

I'm guessing he's not doing what's expected of him defensively. Why Atkins hasn't beed dropped I wouldn't know. I'm also guessing he's running the right defensive patterns even though he looks lazy.

 

[MRB37]

CEY had 15 pressure acts and 4 tackles. Gibbs had 16 and 5 tackles. CEY also had fewer touches and didn't hit the scoreboard.

Brad Crouch was only slightly better at 19 pressure acts and 7 tackles. Of course he actually played four quarters.

Mackay had one extra pressure act but didn't lay a tackle.

Again. Double standards.

You're judging every player the same and aren't taking into account roles they've been assigned though. Gibbs specifically was removed from the midfield in the second half and then removed from the team completely. That's gotta be obvious he's been told to do something or was given a specific assignment and failed at it completely.

Crouch and CEY were 3rd and 4th for the team against the Power for PA. Against Freo they were 4th and 5th, Gibbs was dead last on the team! Against the Suns CEY led the team, Crouch was 4th, Gibbs was equal last. Gibbs has displayed a very different set of standards than the rest of the team, he's been judged absolutely fairly.

 

[Scorpus]

You're judging every player the same and aren't taking into account roles they've been assigned though. Gibbs specifically was removed from the midfield in the second half and then removed from the team completely. That's gotta be obvious he's been told to do something or was given a specific assignment and failed at it completely.

What I'm doing is judging the players specifically against the claim that Gibbs "didn't provide enough defensive pressure". On its own that clearly isn't the reason.

I agree he clearly wasn't performing in the way the coaches wanted. But there has to be more to it than just "defensive pressure" otherwise they have set double standards.

 

[MRB37]

What I'm doing is judging the players specifically against the claim that Gibbs "didn't provide enough defensive pressure". On its own that clearly isn't the reason.

I agree he clearly wasn't performing in the way the coaches wanted. But there has to be more to it than just "defensive pressure" otherwise they have set double standards.

It's not a double standard when one player consistently displays a lack of intent and another just has an off game once like CEY or Crouch. Freaking Taylor Walker has recorded more pressure acts than Gibbs in the games they've played together.

 

[Geoffa32]

CEY had 15 pressure acts and 4 tackles. Gibbs had 16 and 5 tackles. CEY also had fewer touches and didn't hit the scoreboard.

Brad Crouch was only slightly better at 19 pressure acts and 7 tackles. Of course he actually played four quarters.

Mackay had one extra pressure act but didn't lay a tackle.

Again. Double standards.

There is no stat for positioning and effort to stay in position when you play a defensive trap.

At least not a stat we can see.



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[Jarman3]

Can't help but feel like we're setting a different standard for Gibbs than blokes like Atkins.

As if Gibbs defensive actions were worse than Atkins. Or even Mackay who didn't lay a single tackle

Yeah, but Mackay plays a non-statistical role. Your "numbers" and "facts" have no power over him.

 

[SugarShane]

Can't help but feel like we're setting a different standard for Gibbs than blokes like Atkins.

As if Gibbs defensive actions were worse than Atkins. Or even Mackay who didn't lay a single tackle

To an outsider, it really just looks like making someone easy the scapegoat. He's an import, he's not one of our inner sanctum, he's not best mates with the coaches, he's an easy drop. He's he new guy at work who gets hauled over coals for not filling out his TPS Reports on time when the bloke who's been here 5 years is always late but that's just how he's always done it.