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Does Nathan deserve a contract extension?


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chunkylover53

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**** Off.

So we just won three in a row and then you decide to bump this thread after a 4pt loss. We were 4pts from being in the 8 right now and Buckley would be vindicated (at least for now).
5-7 is passable for the moment... whilst we are playing decent footy and still in touch with the 8, surely it would be fair to give him to end of the season before calling for his head?
Pies fans very very touchy.

I didn't bump it. Also read the post, I said a new coach wouldn't change anything, just said the list is in full limbo and has no direction. Not good enough for a flag, might sneak into the 8 but won't do any damage.

If anyone needs to go it's probably Derek Hine tbh.

Your pitiful attempt at a troll.

Collingwood has been the second best form side in the competition in the last 6 weeks.

Our two losses have both been by under a goal and our biggest defeat all season has been by under 4 goals.

You need to get out and get a clue instead of reading online forums and the HUN if you wanted to understand Collingwood and Buckley.
Again, having patches or form or close losses just tells me they're not up to it as a list.
 

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Pies fans very very touchy.

I didn't bump it. Also read the post, I said a new coach wouldn't change anything, just said the list is in full limbo and has no direction. Not good enough for a flag, might sneak into the 8 but won't do any damage.

If anyone needs to go it's probably Derek Hine tbh.


Again, having patches or form or close losses just tells me they're not up to it as a list.
It had been 2 weeks since the last post and you waited until after a 4 point loss to post in this thread. I want you to seriously answer the question: if that result was 5 points different - would you have posted the same thing? The answer is clear - you wouldn't have. Otherwise you would've posted this at any point after our last 3 wins, or when we were up by 20-odd at half time.
No, you waited to kick a coach when he was "down", after only losing by 4 points. That is a bump, and that is poor form. (though as others have said, pretty par for the course for BF).

As for sneaking into the 8 - you can say that about a bunch of clubs/coaches almost every single year - and they are sitting better than quite a few other clubs. Does that mean that every coach other than Beveridge, Pike and Cameron should be sacked this year? I mean whats the point of the other guys even playing? Every other club should just pack it in and tank for the year, yeah? I can think of a few clubs that would do that.

Seeing as you raised the post - I would love you to look at the age profile of your list vs ours. For a club that has been in full rebuild mode including spending a lot more time near the bottom of the ladder, pretty sure we have as young, if not a younger, list than yours - and are sitting above you on the ladder.
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Now, don't get me wrong - pretty much all Pies fans see the writing on the wall for Bucks - and many have been calling for his head since day 1.
But he has been a decent coach over his time. Not great but also not horrible. For a guy who apparently can't coach, we have never finished below 12th on the ladder, and we have rarely had the blow-out losses that a lot of teams get when they drop down (look at the Hawks this year for how easily that can happen for any team/coach). We have pretty consistently been an average team - good enough to beat the best teams on their day, but also bad enough to lose to the worst - and on each result usually between a few goals of each other.... Now again this can usually apply to most teams that sit in that 6-12 range on the ladder.
We have showed glimpses of taking the next step up - but have been unable to consistently do that.
Reality is that the pressure has been on Bucks for a couple of years now to see if he can take the group to that next step - and likely the next 10 rounds of footy will decide the outcome of that.

If we do make the 8, with what is still one of the younger lists in the AFL, then I would consider that a success and a vindication that the club is moving in the right direction.
Again - looking at similar age profiles - where would you set the bar for Bolton and the Blues this year?
 

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It had been 2 weeks since the last post and you waited until after a 4 point loss to post in this thread. I want you to seriously answer the question: if that result was 5 points different - would you have posted the same thing? The answer is clear - you wouldn't have. Otherwise you would've posted this at any point after our last 3 wins, or when we were up by 20-odd at half time.
No, you waited to kick a coach when he was "down", after only losing by 4 points. That is a bump, and that is poor form. (though as others have said, pretty par for the course for BF).

As for sneaking into the 8 - you can say that about a bunch of clubs/coaches almost every single year - and they are sitting better than quite a few other clubs. Does that mean that every coach other than Beveridge, Pike and Cameron should be sacked this year? I mean whats the point of the other guys even playing? Every other club should just pack it in and tank for the year, yeah? I can think of a few clubs that would do that.

Seeing as you raised the post - I would love you to look at the age profile of your list vs ours. For a club that has been in full rebuild mode including spending a lot more time near the bottom of the ladder, pretty sure we have as young, if not a younger, list than yours - and are sitting above you on the ladder.
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Now, don't get me wrong - pretty much all Pies fans see the writing on the wall for Bucks - and many have been calling for his head since day 1.
But he has been a decent coach over his time. Not great but also not horrible. For a guy who apparently can't coach, we have never finished below 12th on the ladder, and we have rarely had the blow-out losses that a lot of teams get when they drop down (look at the Hawks this year for how easily that can happen for any team/coach). We have pretty consistently been an average team - good enough to beat the best teams on their day, but also bad enough to lose to the worst - and on each result usually between a few goals of each other.... Now again this can usually apply to most teams that sit in that 6-12 range on the ladder.
We have showed glimpses of taking the next step up - but have been unable to consistently do that.
Reality is that the pressure has been on Bucks for a couple of years now to see if he can take the group to that next step - and likely the next 10 rounds of footy will decide the outcome of that.

If we do make the 8, with what is still one of the younger lists in the AFL, then I would consider that a success and a vindication that the club is moving in the right direction.
Again - looking at similar age profiles - where would you set the bar for Bolton and the Blues this year?
There was a post before mine, must've got deleted, it was on the first page so i posted. Yeah I have been saying the same thing, even after your dominating wins over Brisbane, Hawthorn and Freo (all bottom 8/4 sides).

Not saying everyone should tank, but are you going to sit here and tell me that the club didn't think they were a shot at the flag this year? They bought in Mayne and Wells to push for finals and hope for the best? Lol you're comparing Collingwoods situation to Carlton, you actively went out and recruited mature players to push you to a flag, your own coach said finals is a minimum or else he is gone. You chose to rebuild after 2012, been very active in the off-seasons to progress quicker, and now scraping into finals is a success because you're so young?

The threads about Collingwood, however we've only been in full rebuild mode for 1.5 years, Malthouse thought we would be in flag contention in 2013 - 2015, we were just shit - not rebuilding. I don't think you're fielding younger teams than Carlton - not sure of the exact numbers but pretty sure 10-11 of our players are 22 or under at the moment and are all easily best 22 and not just getting games for the sake of it. Everyone expected us to finish dead last and struggle to win a game, let alone emulate something similar to our 7 wins last year. So anything above 5-6 wins is probably a success for us, Bolton is getting plenty of our list.
 

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He wasn't the one that injected the players the only criminal is Dank. Don't get me wrong Hird takes some of the blame but to pin it all on him and they way he was treated was disgraceful.
On a completely different topic - i do think Hird was unfairly made the scapegoat whilst others within the club seemed to get away unscathed. However it is equally unfair to put the majority of the blame on Dank - he was employed to do a job and there was enough evidence to show that the club very well knew what he was doing was dodgy and not only allowed but helped to cover it up. Hird, Dank and the players all eventually got their rightful consequences - but I still dont know how others got away scott free.
 
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On a completely different topic - i do think Hird was unfairly made the scapegoat whilst others within the club seemed to get away unscathed. However it is equally unfair to put the majority of the blame on Dank - he was employed to do a job and there was enough evidence to show that the club very well knew what he was doing was dodgy and not only allowed but helped to cover it up. Hird, Dank and the players all eventually got their rightful consequences - but I still dont know how others got away scott free.
The Weapon got away scott free so did David Evans and Alex Demetriou.
 

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Still want to wait until the end of the year and I still like finals as a benchmark of sorts. But one thing has become apparent over the last 5 weeks, the team certainly plays for Buckley and are buying in. Certainly unpolished and unrefined at the moment but that comes with experience. Still lots of water to go under the bridge yet in 2017 but if the team keeps playing the way it has been lately I'm erring more on the side of giving him an extension than starting again. For what it's worth, our team yesterday featured:

Brown (1 game)
Scharenberg (7 games)
Crocker (12 games)
Phillips (17 games)
Smith (29 games)
Broomhead (30 games)
Moore (38 games)
Maynard (41 games)
De Goey (42 games)
Langdon (47 games)
Aish (51 games)

That's half a team with 51 games or less experience, most of who have earnt a call-up (although injuries have given some guys games). I'd argue six best 22 players were out injured yesterday (not an excuse for the loss given the state of the game in the second quarter) but certainly a consideration. Melbourne had 9 plus their own significant injury issues also. I'd argue Wells (249 games) in for Brown; Varcoe (182 games) in for Phillips; Goldsack (152 games) in for Scharenberg; Reid (128 games) in for Langdon; Elliott (80 games) in for Crocker and Sinclair (63 games, perennially injured) in for Smith if we had a full list to choose from for a grand final tomorrow. A fair chunk of experience to come back into the team.

A lot of words and numbers there but at this stage Buckley looks to have a young team and mid-table quality list playing like you'd expect. The first few years of Buckley's reign are over and have been covered to no-end in here. All about looking forward and at this stage in comfortable we're trending up rather than down but still work to be done (particularly off-season) to get the team to premiership standard.
 

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I have a confession to make.
I like the new version of Bucks. He seems less arrogant and more reflective. It's like he's finally grown up.
It's a shame that he is so bad at his job.
 

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Pies were robbed yesterday by the umps, utterly ridiculous, but still have way too many ordinary players to be a serious threat.

Bucks has taken the club backwards, along with all the ridiculous mature acquisitions, time for him to head to media (as he's clearly setting up as we speak) and give a different coach a chance.
 

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Pies were robbed yesterday by the umps, utterly ridiculous, but still have way too many ordinary players to be a serious threat.

Bucks has taken the club backwards, along with all the ridiculous mature acquisitions, time for him to head to media (as he's clearly setting up as we speak) and give a different coach a chance.
It's not the umpires fault Smith can't defend, or attack or stand up in a contest. Not the umpires fault De Goey gets wasted as a lead up forward. Not the umpires fault we did nothing to about Pendlebury being tagged. Not the umpires fault Adams overrates his kicking ability.


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It's not the umpires fault Smith can't defend, or attack or stand up in a contest. Not the umpires fault De Goey gets wasted as a lead up forward. Not the umpires fault we did nothing to about Pendlebury being tagged. Not the umpires fault Adams overrates his kicking ability.
Mike i agree with you. I'm North and rest of family are Pies.

Smith was horrible. Adams nearly as bad. Etc.

But you should have won game. In this instance you were screwed over.

IMO neither clubs are a threat, carrying too many ordinary players in the bottom 5 best 22 that kills you (as a North supporter i know too well).
 

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I hate that finals is the benchmark - making finals is useless if you don't at least win one. Going out straight away means you just played one more game to get a lower draft pick; winning a final has to be Buckley's saving point and that's just not going to happen. We have far too many vanilla turds in our side each week.
 

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Looked good on footy classified. Wonder if deep down inside he sees that as his future soon.
I saw him watching TV the other day, he must be planning on being on it soon.

It was while I was in Richmond, and then while I was driving past Punt road, 9 cars had a pile up infront of me. I took that as a hint deep down.
 

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I have a confession to make.
I like the new version of Bucks. He seems less arrogant and more reflective. It's like he's finally grown up.
It's a shame that he is so bad at his job.
I've liked him for a long time now. He's genuine to those who deserve it, and treats idiots like Robinson with the disdain they deserve.
 

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Still want to wait until the end of the year and I still like finals as a benchmark of sorts. But one thing has become apparent over the last 5 weeks, the team certainly plays for Buckley and are buying in. .
Agree with this.

I'm starting to lean towards keeping Buckley and turning over other off-field positions i.e. fitness/performance staff, board, recruiting etc. Depends how big Buckley's input is into these things I guess, only those at the club would know. But he's certainly not lost to the players which is the true coach killer.
 

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Collingwood just have no direction in general, just in absolute limbo - not sure how much a new coach would change.

Do they think they're good enough for a flag or are they still in a mini rebuild?

To me it looks like they've built a list good enough to finish 9th and bottled the entire thing. Full reset required.
Nice bump post buddy
 

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Agree with this.

I'm starting to lean towards keeping Buckley and turning over other off-field positions i.e. fitness/performance staff, board, recruiting etc. Depends how big Buckley's input is into these things I guess, only those at the club would know. But he's certainly not lost to the players which is the true coach killer.
I starting to think a change in performance staff, and maybe even a freshen up of the recruiting and list management teams might be the way forward.
 

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I have a confession to make.
I like the new version of Bucks. He seems less arrogant and more reflective. It's like he's finally grown up.
It's a shame that he is so bad at his job.
Was he ever really arrogant beyond his early 20s?
 

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I actually rate what Buckley has done, and is doing.
After making his initial decision to move on a variety of players, for a multitude of reasons, he has stuck to his guns. If the board hold their nerve I wouldn't be surprised if it pays dividends for Collingwood within the next 2-3 years.
 
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