Coach Buckley steps down

[loki04]

I am not going into game plans in this thread, but am pleased to read your positive post about bucks. I too have always defended him especially when they attached the FJ title to him but it seems that society sometimes can be all about dragging down the tall poppy.

I think he may be embarrassed by a statue.

The first time I met Bucks was when he was still a player, fell in love with him then. Was in a Bank and he didn't mind supporters approaching him and believe it or not some years later still remembered. Such a genuine guy which really isn't hard to believe when you think of his dedication to our club.

He's a legend full stop.

Don't give him a choice re a statue.

He didn't get a fairwell game or even a lap of honour as a player and imo i hated we never got to officially say goodbye.
Collingwood supporters back then would of flooded the mcg enmasse had they done one.

 

[sr36]

You again reinforce you have no perspective - clearly anyone suggesting Buckley, despite the dramatic improvement of the team in the last 3 seasons, should still have been sacked in 2017, has such an unhinged bias that they have no capacity for rationale thought.
The scenario I posed was designed to test your objectivity - and you failed.

I can defend Buckley’s record and still be objective enough to have said months ago there was a need for change.

That’s the difference between bias and objectivity.

You viewing your opinion as objective is about as subjective as it gets.

There is no really objective way to juddge Bucks's coaching career. Like he pointed out in his press conference, few teams flat line at either the top or the bottom. His career which saw us decline then rise then decline is pretty much the natural cycle. Which is why during Bucks's tenure half the teams in the AFL emulated what we achieved under Bucks - a grand final berth.

How good a coach he was depends on whether you believe he brought about synergy within the playing group. Did he generally make the team more or less succesful than the sum of its parts should have made it? It is a purely subjective opinion.

 

[Markfs]

There's a lot of people doing analysis of buckley in the last day, let alone the last 28 years. I saw a lot of posts recently about Buckley's motivation for saying or doing things. I think it was last friday when i'm sure that I read that the great damo had decided that buckley was strategically making choices to extend his stay. I read the great damo early today and it seems that he has "reworked" that theory as he often does. He finds a crack in the rocks and slithers into it as far as he can go and tries to pry it open, but he's willing to back up and go down another crack in search of that great story. But enough about the great damo...

He was the first to assign strategic goals on what buckley was saying about the board. It was something common to the fox crew. You can almost taste their desperation to join Brownie and Roo and Gary as the favoured sons. It's no surprise that they would think that buckley was so desperate to achieve his own personal goals that he would do everything possible to make it happen.

Yesterday, their question was whether he was pushed or he pulled the pin. A group of men who couldnt conceive that someone might put a club ahead of themselves.

 

[HeathySure]

Please do not take the following as a criticism of Buckley, its a criticism of the club and I am seeing the same mistakes being made with Nick Daicos.

Collingwood pretty much bent over backwards (some may say dodgily) to get Buckley to the Pies. From the moment Bucks arrived the narrative has been all about Buckley and how he would be the saviour which put a lot of pressure on him from the start. Whether this caused players to resent him (well documented) or not is not fully on him. He was a 20 year old who's focus was on himself and footy. I am sure there are plenty of players like that.
I think Collingwood neglected their recruiting/coaching in the 1990's thinking Buckley will fix it which in the end he couldn't. There has never been one player that dragged a side to a premiership, its almost always been the best team.
When he retired, the club basically gave him a licence to do anything he wanted. Was this a good thing? I don't think so. They gave him a successful football team to coach when there was no need. A lot of players resented it (well documented) and IN MY OPINION blew our chances for having a dynasty like Richmond are having now. Is that Buckley's fault? No, it was the clubs fault.
Since he came to us its been more Buckley's club than anything. He has been afforded every opportunity to win a premiership but hasn't been able too. Collingwood CANNOT think like that anymore. WE need to think like a team, There is no hero out there that will win us premierships singlehandedly.

I have been following Collingwood since 1970 and in all that time we have had the best team twice that was well coached, and both teams won the premiership. One was based from a successful under 19 TEAM, and the other one came together in a season to be the best team in the end. IN 2011 we were the best team until the late rounds and then we weren't. WE made many grand finals because we were the best coached team but never had a top 4 list.

We have to rebuild now, I think this is going to take longer than a normal rebuild because of the salary cap mess but we cant throw all our eggs in one basket like we have done basically since 1993. time to grow up.

 

[Trickster]

"HELLO BUCKS. CAN. YOU. HEAR. ME?????

He and Maclure are terrible to listen to. Staggering that Maclure gets a gig with his 'back in my day' references and little else.

 

[Trickster]

Replying to lokis post...with hailstone issues

This is so true! One of my favorite memories was being at the Coll v Carl game in R2 1994 and being able to say thanks to Daics as he did a lap of honour with his daughter!

Bucks deserves the same. That game happened to be Buckley's 2nd at Collingwood - he nailed a beautiful 55m chip goal just before Micky went on his 7 bounce run and goal. A great day, beating the blues, those 2 memories but more special was Daics' lap of honour.

We need to be able to express our thanks to Bucks also in such a fitting manner.

 

[Scribe26]

He's a legend full stop.

Don't give him a choice re a statue.

He didn't get a fairwell game or even a lap of honour as a player and imo i hated we never got to officially say goodbye.
Collingwood supporters back then would of flooded the mcg enmasse had they done one.

Agree.

Kevin Bartlett aside, most people worthy of a statue wouldn't want one.

I hope we don't wait until he's the same age Lou Richards was before he is immortalised out the front of the Tesla (or whatever car company we're going with at the time) Centre.

 

[No SPIN]

You viewing your opinion as objective is about as subjective as it gets.

There is no really objective way to juddge Bucks's coaching career. Like he pointed out in his press conference, few teams flat line at either the top or the bottom. His career which saw us decline then rise then decline is pretty much the natural cycle. Which is why during Bucks's tenure half the teams in the AFL emulated what we achieved under Bucks - a grand final berth.

How good a coach he was depends on whether you believe he brought about synergy within the playing group. Did he generally make the team more or less succesful than the sum of its parts should have made it? It is a purely subjective opinion.

My opinion is objective because it’s based on facts. You are free to challenge the veracity of same.

It’s laughable, the poster I was responding to , still believed Buckley should have been sacked in 2017, despite the dramatic improvement in the last 3 seasons. Including, getting so close to a flag, being implicitly dismissed as wholly insignificant.

These are completely unhinged views.

The objective proof, as I have always maintained is whether he gets another job.

And you only have had to watch the various commentators over the last 24 hours to conclude the answer is a resounding.yes.

 

[Kappa]

The objective proof as I have always maintained is whether he gets another job.
And you only have to have watched the various commentators over the last 24 hours to conclude it’s a resounding.yes.

Which commentators have proven he will get another senior coaching gig?

 

[Trickster]

Not that I have read it, but didn't take long for Malthouse to write whether he thinks Bucks will coach or not (not is his view).

 

[Pistol Night]

Couple of nights ago Robbo was saying how brilliant Buckley was for teaching these lads all about the defensive side of the game.. how it will hold them in good stead in the yrs to come.. how to fight and scrap and win games.. hard.

Tonight.. 'They made the right decision'.

UNBELIEVABLE this bloke.

Thats what happens when you have a raging alcoholic in the media

 

[TW Sherrin]

There's a lot of people doing analysis of buckley in the last day, let alone the last 28 years. I saw a lot of posts recently about Buckley's motivation for saying or doing things. I think it was last friday when i'm sure that I read that the great damo had decided that buckley was strategically making choices to extend his stay. I read the great damo early today and it seems that he has "reworked" that theory as he often does. He finds a crack in the rocks and slithers into it as far as he can go and tries to pry it open, but he's willing to back up and go down another crack in search of that great story. But enough about the great damo...

He was the first to assign strategic goals on what buckley was saying about the board. It was something common to the fox crew. You can almost taste their desperation to join Brownie and Roo and Gary as the favoured sons. It's no surprise that they would think that buckley was so desperate to achieve his own personal goals that he would do everything possible to make it happen.

Yesterday, their question was whether he was pushed or he pulled the pin. A group of men who couldnt conceive that someone might put a club ahead of themselves.

I never believed he would put himself above the club and try to hang on. He has said the same many times.

I did find it curios why he got involved in club politics last week.

 

[No SPIN]

Which commentators have proven he will get another senior coaching gig?

I stated they believe he will be approached to Coach again - so Clubs by definition view him as a very capable Coach.
Unlike Neeld, Watters, McKenna, etc who have all disappeared from the radar of all Clubs looking for a new Head Coach.

 

[Kappa]

I stated they believe he will be approached to Coach again - so Clubs by definition view him as a very capable Coach.
Unlike Neeld, Watters, McKenna, etc who have all disappeared from the radar of all Clubs looking for a new Head Coach.

Who believes that?

 

[Pistol Night]

Bucks should go to fox footy to teach slobbo how to use the internet properly

Step 1 Turn on computer
Step 2 Dont drink 13 beers before a zoom call

 

[Markfs]

I never believed he would put himself above the club and try to hang on. He has said the same many times.

I did find it curios why he got involved in club politics last week.

I think he said what he thought. He probably knew at that stage that he was leaving but didnt know the timing and he wanted to put it on the record before matters progressed. If people in this forum have a right to express an opinion, someone like him has more than enough right to do the same.
The key point was the reason to support the current board and it wasnt the people but the fact that change is in progress. If I was voting, I cant think of a reason for voting for browne other than punishing the current mob and particularly korda, because the rest have gone. I'm not sure that's enough to put the club through a spill. There will be 3 positions up for grabs at the next election, if browne wants to get in, he can. The following year, he can take over the presidency as more positions go to election.

 

[jackcass]

Replying to lokis post...with hailstone issues

This is so true! One of my favorite memories was being at the Coll v Carl game in R2 1994 and being able to say thanks to Daics as he did a lap of honour with his daughter!

Bucks deserves the same. That game happened to be Buckley's 2nd at Collingwood - he nailed a beautiful 55m chip goal just before Micky went on his 7 bounce run and goal. A great day, beating the blues, those 2 memories but more special was Daics' lap of honour.

We need to be able to express our thanks to Bucks also in such a fitting manner.

I think that ship has long sailed.

 

[MsPendles]

Haven't read through the entire thread so might have been said earlier but:

Yesterday's announcement was the best handled thing this club has done for some time. All class and done with perfect timing. Let Nathan go with the utmost dignity while still making clear why we needed to change. All 3 people at the press conference yesterday spoke really well and they certainly gave the impression of being open and honest about the situation.

After reflection I reckon the timing is strongly dictated by the stirring win over Adelaide. Gave Bucks the chance to go out on a *relative* high which reinforces the fact that it's not a traditional coach axing. If it'd been done the week before, or after a presumed loss to Melbourne the narrative would be that something in that last match made his position untenable and forced the club's hand. This also now gives Harvey and the club the extra bye week to make the transition.

It was exactly what I wanted. I have the utmost respect and admiration for Bucks, but it was time to change. I wanted a new direction but didn't want Bucks hung out to dry and made a scapegoat.

We've done the right thing so far, now let's make sure we do a proper search to uncover the best person to take us upward in the future.

Excellent observation of what occurred and process going forward. Buckley is a class act, but change is inevitable, maybe it wouldn’t have been so soon if Bucks had rearranged a few deck chairs, we needed new coaching ideas, but Bucks stuck thick n fast with Sando and Harves, new assistants could have made such a difference to his tenure and the Teams performance

 

[No SPIN]

Who believes that?

Whately, Riewolt, Jonathan Browrn, Jake Niall , to name a few.
Can you name many commentators that have made a statement to the contrary?

 

[sr36]

No - the objective proof will be when he’s approached by other clubs.

The support that is a very strong possibility is evidence by the numerous commentators that think it will happen.


Are you saying Buckley’s record is so poor that he will not be approached to Coach again?

Have you ever sat on a selection panel to hire someone for a job? After you tick off qualifications, you can't get more subjective than the hiring process. So that will be another subjective opinion to prove objectivity.

 

[Doc1763]

I stated they believe he will be approached to Coach again - so Clubs by definition view him as a very capable Coach.
Unlike Neeld, Watters, McKenna, etc who have all disappeared from the radar of all Clubs looking for a new Head Coach.

I reckon McKenna was a bit stiff to be honest

 

[Doc1763]

Whately, Riewolt, Jonathan Browrn, Jake Niall , to name a few.
Can you name many commentators that have made a statement to the contrary?

Clubs will definitely ask the question, whether he wants to go around again only time will tell

 

[jmac70]

Anyway…

I’m sure Bucks will land on his feet in the future.

One last big win would be nice, with Bucks singing the song in the circle.

 

[frizzle]

Step 1 Turn on computer
Step 2 Dont drink 13 beers before a zoom call

Sh1t. I could have done with this advise a long time ago. Thanks for nothin.

 

[Buckley is my hero]

Please do not take the following as a criticism of Buckley, its a criticism of the club and I am seeing the same mistakes being made with Nick Daicos.

Collingwood pretty much bent over backwards (some may say dodgily) to get Buckley to the Pies. From the moment Bucks arrived the narrative has been all about Buckley and how he would be the saviour which put a lot of pressure on him from the start. Whether this caused players to resent him (well documented) or not is not fully on him. He was a 20 year old who's focus was on himself and footy. I am sure there are plenty of players like that.
I think Collingwood neglected their recruiting/coaching in the 1990's thinking Buckley will fix it which in the end he couldn't. There has never been one player that dragged a side to a premiership, its almost always been the best team.
When he retired, the club basically gave him a licence to do anything he wanted. Was this a good thing? I don't think so. They gave him a successful football team to coach when there was no need. A lot of players resented it (well documented) and IN MY OPINION blew our chances for having a dynasty like Richmond are having now. Is that Buckley's fault? No, it was the clubs fault.
Since he came to us its been more Buckley's club than anything. He has been afforded every opportunity to win a premiership but hasn't been able too. Collingwood CANNOT think like that anymore. WE need to think like a team, There is no hero out there that will win us premierships singlehandedly.

I have been following Collingwood since 1970 and in all that time we have had the best team twice that was well coached, and both teams won the premiership. One was based from a successful under 19 TEAM, and the other one came together in a season to be the best team in the end. IN 2011 we were the best team until the late rounds and then we weren't. WE made many grand finals because we were the best coached team but never had a top 4 list.

We have to rebuild now, I think this is going to take longer than a normal rebuild because of the salary cap mess but we cant throw all our eggs in one basket like we have done basically since 1993. time to grow up.

Sorry but it's just plain myth that we were building a dynasty in 2010. Look at our 2010 list. There was no youth coming through because we put all our eggs in one basket when we recruited Ball and Jolly. Then in 2010 trade period we recruited Andrew Krakouer, a mature aged footballer. All our youth at the club took the field in the 2010 GF. Several mature aged footballers like Frasier were still on our 2010 list but couldn't get games and were soon about to retire. Then you look at 2011. We played Geelong three times and got cleaned up three times despite winning every other game. Hawthorn were on the rise in 2011 and would soon overtake us in the subsequent years. Saying that Collingwood was building up a dynasty in 2010 is like saying Geelong was building up a dynasty in 2011. In fact it was the opposite with both sides peaking around 2010 and 2011. The only way we could have kept up the momentum was keeping every single play fit. When Dale Thomas went down with ankle problems that spelt the end of any chance of staying within the premiership window.