Coach Buckley steps down

[Pistol Night]

Sh1t. I could have done with this advise a long time ago. Thanks for nothin.

A dozen is fine mate. Just dont go full Robbo

 

[Trickster]

Sorry but it's just plain myth that we were building a dynasty in 2010. Look at our 2010 list. There was no youth coming through because we put all our eggs in one basket when we recruited Ball and Jolly. Then in 2010 trade period we recruited Andrew Krakouer, a mature aged footballer. All our youth at the club took the field in the 2010 GF. Several mature aged footballers like Frasier were still on our 2010 list but couldn't get games and were soon about to retire. Then you look at 2011. We played Geelong three times and got cleaned up three times despite winning every other game. Hawthorn were on the rise in 2011 and would soon overtake us in the subsequent years. Saying that Collingwood was building up a dynasty in 2010 is like saying Geelong was building up a dynasty in 2011. In fact it was the opposite with both sides peaking around 2010 and 2011. The only way we could have kept up the momentum was keeping every single play fit. When Dale Thomas went down with ankle problems that spelt the end of any chance of staying within the premiership window.

In addition , we had 4 players go down with ACLs in 2012 on top of Brown and Davis retiring in 2011. Jolly and Didak were also on steep declines in form so unfortunately we were up against it.

 

[HeathySure]

Sorry but it's just plain myth that we were building a dynasty in 2010. Look at our 2010 list. There was no youth coming through because we put all our eggs in one basket when we recruited Ball and Jolly. Then in 2010 trade period we recruited Andrew Krakouer, a mature aged footballer. All our youth at the club took the field in the 2010 GF. Several mature aged footballers like Frasier were still on our 2010 list but couldn't get games and were soon about to retire. Then you look at 2011. We played Geelong three times and got cleaned up three times despite winning every other game. Hawthorn were on the rise in 2011 and would soon overtake us in the subsequent years. Saying that Collingwood was building up a dynasty in 2010 is like saying Geelong was building up a dynasty in 2011. In fact it was the opposite with both sides peaking around 2010 and 2011. The only way we could have kept up the momentum was keeping every single play fit. When Dale Thomas went down with ankle problems that spelt the end of any chance of staying within the premiership window.

This has been argued 1000 thousand times. Thats why i highlighted in my opinion... you are not going to change my mind and i am not going to change yours

 

[jonmacTrag]

When it comes to Bucks no one is objective - he's someone you either admire as a man or despise.
There is no in between position.
His coaching performance is another story altogether.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

The day after..

Feeling a sense of relief and excited about the future.

I wouldn't worry too much about Lyon.. what he said last night.. 'Buckley was chewed up and spat out'.. snowflakes chance in hell.. he'll get the job.. after that comment.

 

[Kappa]

Whately, Riewolt, Jonathan Browrn, Jake Niall , to name a few.
Can you name many commentators that have made a statement to the contrary?

oh, Johnno Brown reckons something? Well that proves it then. He watches at least 3 Collingwood games per year, his opinion is worth a lot.

 

[No SPIN]

oh, Johnno Brown reckons something? Well that proves it then. He watches at least 3 Collingwood games per year, his opinion is worth a lot.

I’m glad the other 3 meet with your approval - that is so reassuring.

 

[Daniel J]

Loved Buckley has a player.

Andrea Pirlo was handed a juventus title winning team. He failed to win the title the next season and was sacked.
Let's hope Collingwood puts the club first from now on.
This was not Buckleys fault but the club for putting him charge with no apprenticeship.
.

 

[jmac70]

Loved Buckley has a player.

Andrea Pirlo was handed a juventus title winning team. He failed to win the title the next season and was sacked.
Let's hope Collingwood puts the club first from now on.
This was not Buckleys fault but the club for putting him charge with no apprenticeship.
.

Little chance of that when the current president puts himself first, and the wannabe president does the same.
We are heading for a shit storm of biblical proportions.
Buckley can watch and chuckle to himself.

 

[Kappa]

I’m glad the other 3 meet with your approval - that is so reassuring.

I'm glad you think random people who barely watch Collingwood having an opinion on Buckley's future means anything. You're very gullible. Do you also think Mark Robinson is an "expert"?

 

[jmac70]

I'm glad you think random people who barely watch Collingwood having an opinion on Buckley's future means anything. You're very gullible. Do you also think Mark Robinson is an "expert"?

Slobbo is an expert in being a douche bag.

 

[Maggie5]

Little chance of that when the current president puts himself first, and the wannabe president does the same.
We are heading for a sh*t storm of biblical proportions.
Buckley can watch and chuckle to himself.

Sadly, I really don't think he would enjoy it.

 

[Daniel J]

Little chance of that when the current president puts himself first, and the wannabe president does the same.
We are heading for a sh*t storm of biblical proportions.
Buckley can watch and chuckle to himself.

Can't believe all the press these people get. All I care about is the 2 hours on the weekend when my team plays. Apart from that time I dont give a shit about what abybody in the club is doing. So they need to just worry about what is being served up on game day and leave the PC to the politicians.

 

[Scodog10]

I stated they believe he will be approached to Coach again - so Clubs by definition view him as a very capable Coach.
Unlike Neeld, Watters, McKenna, etc who have all disappeared from the radar of all Clubs looking for a new Head Coach.

He’ll be the next coach of GWS. Personally I think his future should lie in football management where his amazing football brain can be capitalised on. The Neil Balme and Neale Daniher path. Once his time is done in his next coaching gig in 6-8 years time if he still wants to be on the inside I’d have no issue with Collingwood chasing him in that capacity.

 

[No SPIN]

I'm glad you think random people who barely watch Collingwood having an opinion on Buckley's future means anything. You're very gullible. Do you also think Mark Robinson is an "expert"?

I think I’ll give their opinion more weight than yours - no offense.

 

[Kappa]

I think I’ll give their opinion more weight than yours - no offense.

Smart move, Foxtel tells you that they're your "expert" so they must know a lot more than just a "fan".

 

[Buckley is my hero]

This has been argued 1000 thousand times. Thats why i highlighted in my opinion... you are not going to change my mind and i am not going to change yours

Think what you like then. It’s pure invention that it was all about Buckley and not doing what was best for the Collingwood FC. Malthouse wasn’t shafted in order to get Buckley into the job. Malthouse was self destructing in 2011. Have you listened to any of the interviews Malthouse gave in 2011? Are you familiar with how Malthouse’s coaching stint at Carlton went? Malthouse’s effective coaching career was finished in 2011. If Buckley hadn’t taken over it would have been someone else. All the decisions to do with list management around 2009 were done to give Mick Malthouse his best chance of winning a premiership at the club before he finished up. Buckley inherited a list in decline. In hindsight he should never have taken the job because he was on a hiding to nothing. He was never going to please Collingwood fans like you who were expecting a dynasty.

 

[Billys Back]

"HELLO BUCKS. CAN. YOU. HEAR. ME?????

Can someone please give this creature a bib.

 

[jackcass]

oh, Johnno Brown reckons something? Well that proves it then. He watches at least 3 Collingwood games per year, his opinion is worth a lot.

Brown may well be the biggest muppet to ever park his arse on a commentary chair, but his opinion earns him (I assume) a not insubstantial income as “an expert”… Yours?

 

[jmac70]

This year has been really shit.

 

[Kappa]

Brown may well be the biggest muppet to ever park his arse on a commentary chair, but his opinion earns him (I assume) a not insubstantial income as “an expert”… Yours?

You're saying we should value Brown's opinion more because Foxtel pays him for it? You make some amazing logical arguments.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Think what you like then. It’s pure invention that it was all about Buckley and not doing what was best for the Collingwood FC. Malthouse wasn’t shafted in order to get Buckley into the job. Malthouse was self destructing in 2011. Have you listened to any of the interviews Malthouse gave in 2011? Are you familiar with how Malthouse’s coaching stint at Carlton went? Malthouse’s effective coaching career was finished in 2011. If Buckley hadn’t taken over it would have been someone else. All the decisions to do with list management around 2009 were done to give Mick Malthouse his best chance of winning a premiership at the club before he finished up. Buckley inherited a list in decline. In hindsight he should never have taken the job because he was on a hiding to nothing. He was never going to please Collingwood fans like you who were expecting a dynasty.

This point cant be understated. Its an historical fact that Buckleys list was in decline.. despite the popular narrative that Malthouse handed Bucks the youngest list ever.

Just look at the 2010/11 Grand final list
They were either not as good as they seemed at the time ...........Blair Toovey Macaffer N Brown wellingham Fasolo Dawes ...
Or they were short term fixes and/or players near retirement............Ball Jolly L Brown Tarrant Krakouer Didak Davis Johnson Didak....Maxwell not far behind...l
Or they were players who suffered long term injury ...........some of the above (Ball N Brown Krakouer Macaffer) as well as Reid and Thomas
Or they were just head cases... OBrien Beams Thomas Shaw (although Beams was AA under Bucks)
Or they went downhill fast and the game passed them by... Cloke
That pretty much leaves Bucks with Pendlebury Sidebottom and Swan.. and Swannies career was also cut short by a year or two

Of the players Bucks traded only Shaw and Beams had good/reasonable careers elsewhere.... and those trades yielded Adams De Goey Crisp and Greenwood so we were net winners.

Bucks also inherited ZERO young VFL talent with the best of them probably Sinclair whose career was also cruelly cut down by injury

 

[jackcass]

You're saying we should value Brown's opinion more because Foxtel pays him for it? You make some amazing logical arguments.

No, that’s what you’re saying I’m saying. I said he’s paid to offer expert opinion and suggested that that puts him well ahead of you. He’s obviously still well behind me.

 

[jackcass]

This statement cant be understated. Its an historical fact that Buckleys list was in decline.. despite the popular narrative that Malthouse handed Bucks the youngest list ever.

Just look at the 2010/11 Grand final list
They were either not as good as they seemed at the time ...........Blair Toovey Macaffer N Brown Toovey wellingham Fasolo Dawes ...
Or they were short term fixes and/or players near retirement............Ball Jolly L Brown Tarrant Krakouer Didak Davis Johnson Didak....Maxwell not far behind...l
Or they were players who suffered long term injury ...........some of the above (Ball N Brown Krakouer Macaffer) as well as Reid and Thomas
Or they were just head cases... OBrien Beams Thomas Shaw (although Beams was AA under Bucks)
Or they went downhill fast and the game passed them by... Cloke
That pretty much leaves Bucks with Pendlebury Sidebottom and Swan.. and Swannies career was also cut short by a year or two

Of the players Bucks traded only Shaw and Beams had good/reasonable careers elsewhere.... and those trades yielded Adams De Goey Crisp and Greenwood so we were net winners.

Bucks also inherited ZERO young VFL talent.

Harsh on Tooves as it is without doubling down.

 

[regpies]

Sorry but it's just plain myth that we were building a dynasty in 2010. Look at our 2010 list. There was no youth coming through because we put all our eggs in one basket when we recruited Ball and Jolly. Then in 2010 trade period we recruited Andrew Krakouer, a mature aged footballer. All our youth at the club took the field in the 2010 GF. Several mature aged footballers like Frasier were still on our 2010 list but couldn't get games and were soon about to retire. Then you look at 2011. We played Geelong three times and got cleaned up three times despite winning every other game. Hawthorn were on the rise in 2011 and would soon overtake us in the subsequent years. Saying that Collingwood was building up a dynasty in 2010 is like saying Geelong was building up a dynasty in 2011. In fact it was the opposite with both sides peaking around 2010 and 2011. The only way we could have kept up the momentum was keeping every single play fit. When Dale Thomas went down with ankle problems that spelt the end of any chance of staying within the premiership window.

Dynasty talk suits the anti Bucks pro Mick Sourhouse crowd.

The main thing that crippled Bucks time as coach was injuries and the head of footy changing so often. No continuity and an injury list every year that no coach could overcome.

Imagine if Elliott and Moore played in 2018 GF. We would’ve won by 5 goals