Buckley's Trading

[PepperFace]

I refuse to be told Dawes is ahead of Broomhead on the trade. Dawes has stunk it up big time at Melbourne.
Broomhead > Dawes

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

As much as this pains me to say, Collingwood has done very well with the trading and also by getting two picks in the top 10 for the last two drafts. Prior to the previous two drafts, the last time Collingwood had two top 10 picks was 2005 with Daisy and Pendlebury - who both ended up superstars of the 2010 team. Good times ahead that's for sure.

 

[September Action]

I refuse to be told Dawes is ahead of Broomhead on the trade. Dawes has stunk it up big time at Melbourne.
Broomhead > Dawes

My point is on exposed form. Broom hasn't done a lot yet. Dawes has been serviceable for Melb, and gives structure. (But upside on Broom looks better given Dawes has plateau'd.)

 

[Big Bryza]

What about ceglar

What about him?

We have the best young ruckman in the league.

Another ripper biding his time in the 2's as well.

 

[partypie]

Who cares if they play different positions.

It makes all the difference in the world if you stop to think about it for just a second - it's really not that hard to figure out.

You can just as easily argue Varcoe keeps potential mid/forwards in BenKen and De Goey out.

I wouldn't say that Varcoe is keeping anyone out at the current point in time, but when the time comes I'd expect whichever of the new crop puts their hand up first to take Varcoe's place, unless Varcoe does enough to hold them out - like I said that game against St Kilda is the level of performance he needs to produce and if he doesn't play his role then back to the VFL he goes.

The problem with Harry was that he was too much of a fixture to do that with at the time even though he wasn't anywhere near the player he was (a lot less effective especially with his disposal and decision making as I'm sure we're all aware despite the high finish in the Copeland last year), and that's not even taking into account the reported tensions between him and certain team officials (hence the whole thing about addition by subtraction)

You can't honestly say we're not looking a bit better with Seems / Ox rebounding off half back than we did with Harry trying to do it, even with Varcoe being somewhat less than overwhelming up forward to this point.

 

[rose jam]

Lumumba is better than Varcoe in my opinion...

Varcoe hits up the angle kicks, those 35m kicks from the wing through the middle. Harry can't.
Harry is better at getting the ball out of the backline through running power, and is more durable.

I'd say if we can keep moving the ball well out of defense then Varcoe suits us more than Harry does. Yet to be proven considering the poor display against the Crows, but I think if that game was replayed now the result would be much different.

 

[Horaceg]

What about ceglar

Is Ceglar a better option than Grundy or Witts? I would say no, although he has improved at Hawthorn

 

[Bard]

Based on 2015 form Varcoe is well ahead of Lumumba. On career form? Lumumba is ahead but that's hardly relevant.

 

[dansa]

Thomas (essentially) to Scharenberg - Fail (though obviously the exposed form is not telling the full story. Potential for tick - high.)

Shaw to Adams - Even

Thomas to Scharenberg looks like a good decision. As Pies_10 said. Even if Scharenburg never makes it we still off loaded a player demanding top coin who has been no better than useless.

Shaw to Adams looks a strong win for mine. Shaw is still a quality player no doubt but only has 2-4 years left. Adams has become very important to the Pies and has 10 years left.

 

[September Action]

Thomas...no better than useless.

LOL

Shaw to Adams looks a strong win for mine. Shaw is still a quality player no doubt but only has 2-4 years left. Adams has become very important to the Pies and has 10 years left.

I agree with the jist of this, but still, was thinking about exposed form, NOT potential. Shaw's been very good, whilst Adams is only just coming on now.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

What about ceglar

Witts cant get a game, what chance Ceglar.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

LOL

I agree with the jist of this, but still, was thinking about exposed form, NOT potential. Shaw's been very good, whilst Adams is only just coming on now.

You cant judge trades on exposed form though. You still need to make forward estimates . And I estimate Adams next ten years will be better than Shaws 3.

 

[Douglass]

You cant judge trades on exposed form though. You still need to make forward estimates . And I estimate Adams next ten years will be better than Shaws 3.

Good call on Shaw by Collingwood. Shaw, for all his talent, was old-school Collingwood and a thorn in our side. Adams comes in with a point to prove and a devotion to the new Collingwood. And look what we've got to look forward to for the next 10 years!

 

[regpies]

What about ceglar

We let him go once we drafted Grundy, the thought was 3 developing ruckman would all get in each other's way in terms of development in the VFL. But that thinking was before Jolly had a tantrum and body failed him.

 

[regpies]

Good call on Shaw by Collingwood. Shaw, for all his talent, was old-school Collingwood and a thorn in our side. Adams comes in with a point to prove and a devotion to the new Collingwood. And look what we've got to look forward to for the next 10 years!

We are definitely better off without Shaw, Beams, Thomas, Wellingham. All pro Mick and anti Bucks and were disruptive influences. They just did whatever they wanted on the field under Bucks.

Plus we got a good return on all trades

 

[regpies]

Still don't get it. Varcoe is still keeping a young player out just like Harry. Who cares if they play different positions. You can just as easily argue Varcoe keeps potential mid/forwards in BenKen and De Goey out. Even Freeman who is supposed to be a line breaker and link man like Varcoe.

Varcoe was brought in for experience, you end up like GC and GWS in their first year when you play too many kids, you need some experience.

Meanwhile BK, De Goey, Freeman, Shaz and Moore can work on fitness and their game in the VFL for a season or two and be AFL ready rather than be thrown in the deep end

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

As much as this pains me to say, Collingwood has done very well with the trading and also by getting two picks in the top 10 for the last two drafts. Prior to the previous two drafts, the last time Collingwood had two top 10 picks was 2005 with Daisy and Pendlebury - who both ended up superstars of the 2010 team. Good times ahead that's for sure.

We also picked up Reid Brown and Dawes in another draft with our first three picks (two in the top ten) and Beams and Sidebottom in another.　Those three drafts landed us the flag, our midfield and our spine.

 

[September Action]

You cant judge trades on exposed form though. You still need to make forward estimates . And I estimate Adams next ten years will be better than Shaws 3.

Actually, you can. See above; I did.

Obviously it has deficiencies though. I was considering exposed form to eliminate SOME of the pro Collingwood bias. You know: Beams was always shit, Daisy's a spud but Broomy will be a triple Bronlow medallist.

And even on exposed form...ie; not biased by potential...I think we are doing ok. I guess that's the rub of this thread...

 

[mike123]

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Thomas (essentially) to Scharenberg - Fail (though obviously the exposed form is not telling the full story. Potential for tick - high.)

Its would actually be Thomas for essentially Freeman because even if he stayed we would have still gotten Scharenberg.

Plus Anything for Thomas is at least a nil all draw since he's done nothing since his left.

 

[mike123]

I refuse to be told Dawes is ahead of Broomhead on the trade. Dawes has stunk it up big time at Melbourne.
Broomhead > Dawes

Dawes draws a key defender away from Hogan though

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Actually, you can. See above; I did.

Obviously it has deficiencies though. I was considering exposed form to eliminate SOME of the pro Collingwood bias. You know: Beams was always shit, Daisy's a spud but Broomy will be a triple Bronlow medallist.

And even on exposed form...ie; not biased by potential...I think we are doing ok. I guess that's the rub of this thread...

You can but it would be completly pointelss and meaningless.

 

[Apex36]

As much as this pains me to say, Collingwood has done very well with the trading and also by getting two picks in the top 10 for the last two drafts. Prior to the previous two drafts, the last time Collingwood had two top 10 picks was 2005 with Daisy and Pendlebury - who both ended up superstars of the 2010 team. Good times ahead that's for sure.

Actually it was 2006. Ben Reid and Nathan Brown. So you could go one step further, and say the last time we had two top ten picks two years in a row we got four premiership stars

 

[ace andy]

Varcoe was brought in for experience, you end up like GC and GWS in their first year when you play too many kids, you need some experience.

Meanwhile BK, De Goey, Freeman, Shaz and Moore can work on fitness and their game in the VFL for a season or two and be AFL ready rather than be thrown in the deep end

Don't know why you were replying to me there. I was replying to someone saying that getting rid of Harry freed up a spot for youth. And I'm saying it didn't because we got Varcoe.

 

[September Action]

Plus Anything for Thomas is at least a nil all draw since he's done nothing since his left.

Poor old Daisy. If Mick leaves, he's seriously marooned there.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Actually it was 2006. Ben Reid and Nathan Brown. So you could go one step further, and say the last time we had two top ten picks two years in a row we got four premiership stars

Plus Dawes in the second round!