Buddy Franklin vs Wayne Carey

[My Tilly]

Carey took overhead marks until his shoulders were ruined, which was very early in his career.

Carey had a terrific leap. Often got up high enough to always take them on his chest but if needed, would certainly pluck them overhead.

Bilaterally, he kills Franklin as he was just as proficient kicking on the left foot. In fact, it's not an overstatement to suggest both Carey and Ablett slotted at least 30% of their career goals using the opposite foot.
This is why they thrived playing in multiple positions across the ground.

 

[Freomaniac]

Buddy was better than Carey

Jonathan Brown was better than both combined.

And if Vince Russo was an AFL coach, he would be capable of making Zac Dawson kick 700 goals in his AFL career lol

 

[Freomaniac]

I know this might sound off topic

But I remember a thread which was Gary Ablett senior vs Wayne Carey.

Both were very good forwards. Both had freakish talent and can do some crazy things.

General reason why Carey edged GAJ was the 1996 and 1999 flags Carey got

 

[ferball]

I know this might sound off topic

But I remember a thread which was Gary Ablett senior vs Wayne Carey.

Both were very good forwards. Not had freakish talent and can do some crazy things.

General reason why Carey edged GAJ was the 1996 and 1999 flags Carey got

Ablett was a freakish talent but no other player had Carey's aura.

In the 90s, well '93 onward, I never felt we would lose a game if he was in the side. His presence could inspire his teammates to believe they were unbeatable even without what he actually did on field. He had an indomitable will even compared to the other best players in a game where every player needs that attitude. The reality is that side underachieved, probably cos they liked to party too much.

There's a video on youtube that is basically 8 minutes of Carey running back with the flight of the ball and jumping headlong into packs then coming up with the ball. I don't know of any other players who have done that in the game. He was basically a cheat code.

 

[ferball]

Carey had a terrific leap. Often got up high enough to always take them on his chest but if needed, would certainly pluck them overhead.

Bilaterally, he kills Franklin as he was just as proficient kicking on the left foot. In fact, it's not an overstatement to suggest both Carey and Ablett slotted at least 30% of their career goals using the opposite foot.
This is why they thrived playing in multiple positions across the ground.

He could kick them from outside 50 off either foot.

There was a highlight vid somewhere with him kicking on one his left from the left pocket (ie wrong side for a left foot kick) on the boundary, 35 out at least. He was leaning back, off balance - terrible position to kick from yet still kicked a left foot banana with the outside of his foot and it snuck in for a goal.

These days everyone does that shit. Kids practice stuff like that in primary school but back then it was a freak kick.

 

[NorthernBastard]

He could kick them from outside 50 off either foot.

There was a highlight vid somewhere with him kicking on one his left from the left pocket (ie wrong side for a left foot kick) on the boundary, 35 out at least. He was leaning back, off balance - terrible position to kick from yet still kicked a left foot banana with the outside of his foot and it snuck in for a goal.

These days everyone does that shit. Kids practice stuff like that in primary school but back then it was a freak kick.

One of the great goals of its time

 

[JZTIME!]

yes these goals are common these days but you don’t see too many CHFs doing it on the opposite peg. His footskills on both feet were exquisite. His score assist and kicking efficiency would have been off the charts. If I knew how I’d go back and take some stats from the replays

 

[TruRoo]

There's always a lot of recency bias in these discussions but for all round genuine impact Carey has Franklin covered quite considerably.

Also, Franklin benefited from the constant media saturation we get nowadays. He's great but Carey's in the conversation for the greatest - Franklin is not.

 

[NorthernBastard]

Carey did get to play in front of a big TV audience with Norf owning the Friday slot for a while there - so he has that.

Buddy had to play games in Tassie so his small time club could afford his wages.

 

[ferball]

One of the great goals of its time

Cheers. That's the one I was thinking of.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Just MHO, but they were quite different players, and both brilliant. Both KPFs only similarity.

As a straight power forward Carey easily. He was a beast with brilliant skills and no fear. The best of a large crop of similar player types.

Buddy was different, not a great mark, but elite runner with amazing skills. People call him a flanker, which he sort of was, but wasn't really. Buddy played the Buddy position, and was the best ever at that by a long long way.

I'd put them at a similar level historically. But they were different. People in this thread seem to be downplaying the fact that Buddy's overall record is incredible. Who is best is a matter of taste.

 

[crowman2]

Just MHO, but they were quite different players, and both brilliant. Both KPFs only similarity.

As a straight power forward Carey easily. He was a beast with brilliant skills and no fear. The best of a large crop of similar player types.

Buddy was different, not a great mark, but elite runner with amazing skills. People call him a flanker, which he sort of was, but wasn't really. Buddy played the Buddy position, and was the best ever at that by a long long way.

I'd put them at a similar level historically. But they were different. People in this thread seem to be downplaying the fact that Buddy's overall record is incredible. Who is best is a matter of taste.

Yes they were both brilliant which is why they are being compared.

We arent comparing Carey to Ian Perrie or Earl Spalding for a reason

But there is a winner there always is.

 

[Ed_Gein]

Buddy was phenomenal and one of the AFL greats, but I think Carey was generationally good. Buddy was in his way too. Both different types, but it's difficult to call either way

 

[Dr Tigris]

Yes they were both brilliant which is why they are being compared.

We arent comparing Carey to Ian Perrie or Earl Spalding for a reason

But there is a winner there always is.

Hmmm, There is not always a winner.

Both players are all time stars. Nominally playing the same position, but doing so very differently. I'd happily take either, and struggle to say which was better.

 

[Daka]

One of the great goals of its time

That's average compared to some of the goals today and I can actually remember this goal.

 

[JZTIME!]

That's average compared to some of the goals today and I can actually remember this goal.

Which CHFs, KPFs are kicking these in recent years on their opposite? I'll look out for how many this year. I have plenty of fingers left from the last few years there are so many

 

[My Tilly]

Which CHFs, KPFs are kicking these in recent years on their opposite? I'll look out for how many this year. I have plenty of fingers left from the last few years there are so many

I reckon the only 'big man' who could do that is Tex Walker. In fact, he may have kicked one just like it once before.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Most freakish talent - but footy is a team game.

Geelong never had the defence to capitalise on what he was doing down the other end.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

You obviously only watched him play in the 90's.

Correct, he was breathtaking in the 80s.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

I'd say Carey for his ability to win games off his own boot.
Not the topic, but has anyone come close to Bud for goals kicked from outside 50?

Ablett kicked plenty, and on both feet.

 

[kid_a]

Going buddy.

More athletic, more versatile, higher goals per game ratio playing in an era when key forwards generally didn't kick as many goals as the era Carey played in.

*Ducks for cover, I know some people can't comprehend that players not from the 70-90s era might actually be better than within that era

 

[Lunchtime]

Carey easily.

Carey - better mark and better shot on goal. Buddy was ordinary in front of goal despite kicking 1066 goals...could of kiked more goals. Still a champion though but below Carey.

 

[Lunchtime]

Just MHO, but they were quite different players, and both brilliant. Both KPFs only similarity.

As a straight power forward Carey easily. He was a beast with brilliant skills and no fear. The best of a large crop of similar player types.

Buddy was different, not a great mark, but elite runner with amazing skills. People call him a flanker, which he sort of was, but wasn't really. Buddy played the Buddy position, and was the best ever at that by a long long way.

I'd put them at a similar level historically. But they were different. People in this thread seem to be downplaying the fact that Buddy's overall record is incredible. Who is best is a matter of taste.

I know this player isnt part of the Carey vs Franklin debate but one player that came to mind when reminding me of Franklin was Matthew Richardson. He had a big engine and a big tank, could run all day and moved up the ground as well, plus was one of the best markers the game has seen - very good contested mark. Like Franklin he was athletic too especially in his younger days.

He didn't kick as many goals as Franklin but 800 goals is a good effort too.

 

[The_Eagles]

Carey is unquestionably the greatest marker in the games history by a margin. He was the pressure release valve all across the ground. I put him number 1 all time..

Franklin is on the same tier though, with Ablett Ablett Matthews
Then Lockett, Dunstall

 

[Lunchtime]

Carey is unquestionably the greatest marker in the games history by a margin. He was the pressure release valve all across the ground. I put him number 1 all time..

Franklin is on the same tier though, with Ablett Ablett Matthews
Then Lockett, Dunstall

Do you mean contested marks?