Buddy - Halfway through his contract and almost at 100 games for the Swans

[Donners]

At this point I'm more concerned about the remainder of Hannebery's contract than Franklin's.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Lockett is an interesting comparison

Played 183 odd games Saints and about half that (98 over 4 years) with the Swans.

As it stands now Buddys record is almost exactly the same

182 games Hawks
98 Swans

 

[legend166]

He can kick as many goals, play as many games, get as many juniors in Sydney playing, bring in as many corporate & sponsorship dollars as you like.

On the field your club cant get the job done (post Buddy arrival), 2014, 2016.... Buddy was brought single handedly to get more premierships which has not happened. You don't pay a bloke 9-10mil over 9 years and say its a success when your premiership winning machine team doesn't produce 1.

All the other crap listed above, yeh its great... but its flags that history will remember not that Auskick participation in Sydney was up 5.6% (or whatever the hell it is).

Tony Lockett will be remembered well beyond 99% of the Hawks threepeat team so I'm not sure how true "it's flags history will remember" is.

 

[threesixpio]

Lockett is an interesting comparison

Played 183 odd games Saints and about half that (98 over 4 years) with the Swans.

As it stands now Buddys record is almost exactly the same

182 games Hawks
98 Swans

Lockett is a bit different. He left a team with no flags to go to a team to get no flags.

Buddy left a team with flags to go to a team who started to no longer win flags but he wanted more

TLDR version: No flags

 

[PetterdHoisted]

Lockett is a bit different. He left a team with no flags to go to a team to get no flags.

Buddy left a team with flags to go to a team who started to no longer win flags but he wanted more

TLDR version: No flags

He dropped the 2016 flag, making Boyd a legend in the process so it's worse than no flags, he's -1 at Sydney.

Has been great for their marketing though.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

People are forgetting one thing. 2015 finals series. Sydney finishes one game from top and inside the top four and Franklin misses the whole finals series.

Not many buy for a second the reason that was stated.

Do you have one iota of evidence to support your disgusting slur on the mental health of a person you don’t even know?

If you do, let’s hear it. If not, maybe go away and have a good hard think before posting garbage like that again.

 

[RUNVS]

He dropped the 2016 flag, making Boyd a legend in the process so it's worse than no flags, he's -1 at Sydney.

Has been great for their marketing though.

Can't blame Buddy for that as he got injured 5 minutes into the game. It is unfortunate but these things happen.

 

[threesixpio]

In fact this beautiful song could be sung by Buddy. She remembers a starry romantic night many years ago but now laments it all and there are No Stars.

Could be “No Flags”.

 

[Tony Harrison]

It's all a what if scenario.
Would the players the swans couldn't recruit because of Buddy's contract got them across the line in the last few years?
Maybe, maybe not.
They're still in with a shot this year though.

 

[Superstar swan]

Completely unfair to judge buddy or any player on flags. He could kick 5 or 6 in a losing grand final easily. Takes more than one man to win a flag. If that were the case , riewoldt and pavlich would be premiership players

 

[Smithdogmaddog]

In isolation the buddy deal was a good one but it had much wider ramifications.

The reason they made it such a long deal was to try and get around the rules of free agency and not allow hawthorn a realistic option to match and force a trade. They were able to do this due to the extra 10% in their salary cap which was being banked for superstars rather than applied to all player contracts as intended.

The AFL then gave them the option of playing by the same rules as everyone else if they wanted to continue being allowed to trade and they refused so effectively banning themselves from trading for a couple of years.

So he also cos them an extra 10% every year that was a massive advantage and they were getting away with it for a long time before they pushed it too far.

But another artificial advantage was just around the corner for Sydney with their academy where they now have three top 5 draft picks they’ve received all whilst finishing up near the top of the ladder.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

He can kick as many goals, play as many games, get as many juniors in Sydney playing, bring in as many corporate & sponsorship dollars as you like.

On the field your club cant get the job done (post Buddy arrival), 2014, 2016.... Buddy was brought single handedly to get more premierships which has not happened. You don't pay a bloke 9-10mil over 9 years and say its a success when your premiership winning machine team doesn't produce 1.

All the other crap listed above, yeh its great... but its flags that history will remember not that Auskick participation in Sydney was up 5.6% (or whatever the hell it is).

Really? I remember Ablett Senior and his impact very clearly.

He's been a gun at Sydney, as he was with your mob.

 

[Xtreme]

Do you have one iota of evidence to support your disgusting slur on the mental health of a person you don’t even know?

If you do, let’s hear it. If not, maybe go away and have a good hard think before posting garbage like that again.

Lets see his medical records
One of the worst cover up jobs since Essendon* 2012.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

I remember Hawthorn supporters being all "well that's life" and serene when they thought he was going to a s**t team then going apeshit when they realised it was the Swans.

 

[threesixpio]

He dropped the 2016 flag, making Boyd a legend in the process so it's worse than no flags, he's -1 at Sydney.

Has been great for their marketing though.

So he only has 2008 then?

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

He can kick as many goals, play as many games, get as many juniors in Sydney playing, bring in as many corporate & sponsorship dollars as you like.

On the field your club cant get the job done (post Buddy arrival), 2014, 2016.... Buddy was brought single handedly to get more premierships which has not happened. You don't pay a bloke 9-10mil over 9 years and say its a success when your premiership winning machine team doesn't produce 1.

All the other crap listed above, yeh its great... but its flags that history will remember not that Auskick participation in Sydney was up 5.6% (or whatever the hell it is).

All well and good but you are viewing this from within a Hawthorn slant on what "Success" is.

Hawthorn, perhaps more than any other team are focused purely on winning the Premiership as a measure of success. You only have to look at how Clarkson treats H&A games, focusing on strategies/tactics and development rather than the W/L column. (His view being if you are good enough to be a contender, you will win the 13+ games anyway).

Sydney aren't. Their first charter is to be 'successful', EVERY year - they have to be. Mainly from what they are and (more accurately) WHERE they are. Sydney (the town) isn't Melbourne - a much larger proportion of their members/crowds/fans/support are there for 'entertainment' - not religion. A Swans team currently in finals is necessary for their market - perhaps even more so than a recent premiership.

The dogs could finish last for a decade and their fans would (mostly) not care. They have a premiership, and that cannot be taken away from them. Their origins and historic lack of success means that those members/fans/support they have is much more about tradition, heritage and culture than it is about the Premiership cup.

Buddy has been an almost unmitigated success for Swans because he is exactly what they needed. Marketability, merchandise, draws casual fans through the gate - creates a spectacle that is easily digestible. He's also a generational player, and can win (and has won) games off his own boot.

How many neutrals would watch Hawthorn's 2012-16 rigid 18-man zone and marvel at the effort that went into creating and managing it? Footy tragics yes - the ones that deliberately sit high in the stands to watch the play unfold - the ones who aren't looking where the footy is, but what's happening 50m away, how teams are setting up, etc. Casual fans are there for the high-mark, the long run, the big hit, etc.

I remember Hawthorn supporters being all "well that's life" and serene when they thought he was going to a s**t team then going apeshit when they realised it was the Swans.

Hawthorn wanted to keep Franklin - economically he was easily worth the contract demands as his merchandise/marketing alone exceeded the contract. It just couldn't justify it within the restrictions on the salary cap, and many were ok with it, thinking he was going to GWS, then furious it was Swans - not just because of being a major rival, but because of the Swans specific advantages in salary cap.

 

[footyfan1978]

In fact this beautiful song could be sung by Buddy.

Not so sure Buddy can sing like that.

Feel this is more like Tommy Mitchell sentiments about his new outfit apart from his own self.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

In isolation the buddy deal was a good one but it had much wider ramifications.

The reason they made it such a long deal was to try and get around the rules of free agency and not allow hawthorn a realistic option to match and force a trade. They were able to do this due to the extra 10% in their salary cap which was being banked for superstars rather than applied to all player contracts as intended.

The AFL then gave them the option of playing by the same rules as everyone else if they wanted to continue being allowed to trade and they refused so effectively banning themselves from trading for a couple of years.

So he also cos them an extra 10% every year that was a massive advantage and they were getting away with it for a long time before they pushed it too far.

But another artificial advantage was just around the corner for Sydney with their academy where they now have three top 5 draft picks they’ve received all whilst finishing up near the top of the ladder.

I thought that was the Ryder deal, after Franklin and Tippett where already there?

 

[threesixpio]

Not so sure Buddy can sing like that.

Feel this is more like Tommy Mitchell sentiments about his new outfit apart from his own self.

You forget the Cyril, Gunner, Burgers, Bruest, Strats and Sicily constellations with new star systems coming out of the Burton, Hardwick, O’Meara and Impey nebulas. You need to give your footy telescope a polish

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

I remember Hawthorn supporters being all "well that's life" and serene when they thought he was going to a s**t team then going apeshit when they realised it was the Swans.

Not as apeshit as the AFL did, when they found out he was not joining their franchise Giants.

 

[Roobs321]

Completely agreed with OP. Was dubious about contract length at the time, but still playing inspired football 5 years into a 9 year contract, and also now part of the local and Swans fabric. If he can produce for another 2 seasons (7 seasons minimum), regardless of flag, then he has been a big success for the Swans given the risk involved.

 

[RUNVS]

Completely agreed with OP. Was dubious about contract length at the time, but still playing inspired football 5 years into a 9 year contract, and also now part of the local and Swans fabric. If he can produce for another 2 seasons (7 seasons minimum), regardless of flag, then he has been a big success for the Swans given the risk involved.

Another 2 seasons of 50+ goal seasons and a third season of a 35+ goal season and I will be very happy.

Buddy could end up doing a Richo as well and play the last season of his career (whatever year that is) on the wing.

 

[threesixpio]

Completely agreed with OP. Was dubious about contract length at the time, but still playing inspired football 5 years into a 9 year contract, and also now part of the local and Swans fabric. If he can produce for another 2 seasons (7 seasons minimum), regardless of flag, then he has been a big success for the Swans given the risk involved.

Swans have profited at his expense

 

[threesixpio]

Another 2 seasons of 50+ goal seasons and a third season of a 35+ goal season and I will be very happy.

Buddy could end up doing a Richo as well and play the last season of his career (whatever year that is) on the wing.

He could easily play that role. His field kicking is underrated I reckon

 

[RUNVS]

He could easily play that role. His field kicking is underrated I reckon

I am not sure how underrated it is as I think everyone knows Buddy is lethal when kicking it into the forward 50, but he is even more lethal when he is in the forward 50.