Bull Fighting

[mantis]

Originally posted by NYPomme
I guess people have more important things to worry about ....

Well I know the matadors aren't important to me, so I certainly won't be worrying about them.

GO THE BULLS, let's hope they come out the victors 100% of the time.

 

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by mantis
HA HA HA what when the bull is half dead already after being speared numerous times.

Keep talking, Mantis .....

I'm just popping out for free-range egg and bacon muffin - without the Bacon!!!!!! I'll be back to snap back more hypocritical necks in a bit...




Do you wear leather? You seem the type

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Brett Li


hm....animals over humans...interesting

The majority of the time yes, animals aren't as inhumane as humans, strange about that.

 

[RAGEIN]

This is a load of bull...

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Brett Li


Oh Pig-Murderer! you're not important to me either. I'm barracking for that Pork Chop to be caught in your wind-pipe in a rather unfortunate position, hypocrite

And I hope you end up with a bulls horn up your arse, so you look like a huge shish kebab.

 

[sussudio]

Right .... a description of one journalist's opinion of how the pic is applied to the tossing muscle.......

you asked me for a source, so I've provided it.

the writer's opinion is based on a quite extensive literature review, so it is more objective than subjective.

With respect I think that you ought to speak to a few more sources before you stated that the point of the bullfighting is 'to humiliate the bull'. This is simply nonsense.

please point me to these sources.

 

[Nightmare]

Bullfighting

Bullmarkets!

Why is it that people who know nothing about things stick there fat oars in and immediately have an opinion?
Bullfighting is surely a sport that people have enjoyed for years in a number of the Latino countries - Spain, Portugal etc. for the benefit of US bigfooty members! - it may well seem barbaric from the outside, but how can generally peace-loving countries such as these be chastised, bearing in mind the US air force use humans as sport at weddings near Kabul? I doubt Ernest Hemingway would have waxed-lyrical about that.
I agree with Brett Li, that those reactionary antis go home and be vegetarian, or join the Hezbollah-style faction the vegans and mind their own business.

Extremely well bowled

 

[sussudio]

brett, not every spaniard likes bullfighting.

 

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by sussudio
brett, not every spaniard likes bullfighting.

Not every Aussie likes watching guys run around in tight-shorts, 'wifebeaters', chasing a pig-skin...... but we consider 'footie' part of aussie culture - right or wrong?

 

[sussudio]

haven't seen a live bullfight or been to spain, but I don't think that stops a person from making an informed comment.

 

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by sussudio

please point me to these sources.

Sure.... NY Pomme, July 2002

With respect - this is an obvious point that comes across with even a superficial dip into Bullfighting literature (I'm not trying to patronise here either)

Nightmare ...... I need to point out that the majority of readers on this site are likely to be Aussie rather than Americans

 

[sussudio]

Not every Aussie likes watching guys run around in tight-shorts, 'wifebeaters', chasing a pig-skin...... but we consider 'footie' part of aussie culture - right or wrong?

what is the cultural significance of a sport that derives its demand mostly from tourist dollars?

 

[sussudio]

With respect - this is an obvious point that comes across with even a superficial dip into Bullfighting literature (I'm not trying to patronise here either)

literature like Hemingway?

 

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by sussudio


what is the cultural significance of a sport that derives its demand mostly from tourist dollars?

I'm sure this will be picked up by others. This is complete garbage.

Bullfighting festivals take place all over Spain (France, Portugal, Mexico etc - believe it or not Pamplona is just one Feria that takes place - however does demand much international attention).

Your comments about the attitude of the Bullfighting crowd is complete eroneous too! Just ain't the case .................

To give you an example ... I was fortunate to attend the Fete de Bayonne in France - where there wasa Corrida de Cheval (Bullfight where the Chevalier is on horseback .... horse is unarmoured.... he places his own bandillers - something I would recommend to anyone.......) . 6 bulls were killed in all - however one matador took a little too long to place the estoci (in reality a minute or so). The crowd - who had applauded one magnificent kill earlier - became EXTREMELY agitated - and boo-ed, whistled etc. Angry shouts were heard ....... (I asked my companion - and afficiando - who said that this was a very rare to see such a unclean kill...however like I said only took a minute or so)

A messy, prolonged death is not wanted by anyone who is a true bullfighting fan. The crowd boo-ed for a long time - and you could feel the depth of feeling from an extremely informed crowd .........

.... and what's more.... no quicksilver or whale-bones in sight.

 

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by sussudio


literature like Hemingway?

You quote a celebrated example ....

Magazines, Newspapers etc covering the sport ... you will quickly find out ....

 

[sussudio]

what is your contention? that it is a spanish thing that other cultures do not understand?

 

[sussudio]

You quote a celebrated example ....

I quoted hemingway because I've read 'death in the afternoon'

 

[Richmondfan#1]

Originally posted by Brett Li


do you eat meat?

Is that the only come back you can think of? The only point of argument?

We eat meat to survive, people can live without it but it is an important part in our diets. Bull fighting is however, a game. Something that is not necessary and that is cruel.

Killing animals for food, a need, is not cruelty. Real cruelty is killing animals for pleasure and entertainment.

 

[Slax]

Originally posted by sussudio

haven't seen a live bullfight or been to spain, but I don't think that stops a person from making an informed comment.

Actually it does mate, how can you comment on an article that you have read. Journalists are not always independent and objective, just watch ACA or Today Tonight for that.

I have seen a bullfight in Spain (they are also hugely popular in Mexico) and most of the people there are Spainards.

what is the cultural significance of a sport that derives its demand mostly from tourist dollars?

The only real event where there is a large amount of tourist dollars involved, is the running of the bulls in Pampola (which is in a week or two). For the remainder of the time it is attended by locals and the fights are held mainly in the larger cities or during festivals.

Having experienced first hand which you have not I can quite safely say sussudio you are full of sh*t.

I have to agree with NYPomme is asking what cultural significance is drawn from our sports? Bull fighting has more cultural signifance to the Spainards and their former colonies than AFL does in Australia.

 

[sussudio]

the journalist whom I quoted from is a bullfighting aficionado who is arguing for a return to the purist form of bullfighting. in essense, his article supports bullfighting, but it also discusses the cruel nature of the modern sport.

 

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by Slax


Actually it does mate, how can you comment on an article that you have read. Journalists are not always independent and objective, just watch ACA or Today Tonight for that.

I have seen a bullfight in Spain (they are also hugely popular in Mexico) and most of the people there are Spainards.



The only real event where there is a large amount of tourist dollars involved, is the running of the bulls in Pampola (which is in a week or two). For the remainder of the time it is attended by locals and the fights are held mainly in the larger cities or during festivals.

Having experienced first hand which you have not I can quite safely say sussudio you are full of sh*t.

I have to agree with NYPomme is asking what cultural significance is drawn from our sports? Bull fighting has more cultural signifance to the Spainards and their former colonies than AFL does in Australia.

Quick headcount for those who have seen a bullfight live....

So far we have three who have seen live ... and all seem to understand that the point of a Bullfight is not to torture the animal........

ps. where is Mantis? must be still in the queue at MacD's!

 

[sussudio]

NY Pomme, so only people who have seen live bullfights or been to spain can comment on it..?

 

[Richmondfan#1]

Originally posted by Brett Li


read above. in this society eating meat to survive is not a necessity. I see plenty of respiring veggies in our midst.

No but we kill bulls to eat - we need food, maybe not meat but it is a food. You are never going to stop people eating meat as we have come so used to it.

Killing bulls in Bullfighting is a GAME, no purpose to it.

I can see I'm not going to win you over anyway ... no point in this.

 

[NYPomme]

Originally posted by sussudio
the journalist whom I quoted from is a bullfighting aficionado who is arguing for a return to the purist form of bullfighting. in essense, his article supports bullfighting, but it also discusses the cruel nature of the modern sport.

Supports Bullfighting- but attacks it for being cruel....??????

Not to give too much credence to one journalist's opinion ...but are you sure you are not offering an abridged version?

Feel free to private message me with full details of the article, Sussudio.

 

[Richmondfan#1]

Originally posted by Brett Li


I think you should read through alot of previous postings. You seem to be going over ground already covered by others, and answered, in full by others.

That would be my advice.

Right now I don't have the time to read through 9 pages of this ...