Bulldogs very likely to take Franklin or Roughead at pick 3

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Looking at the Doggies list out went M.Croft 191cm,L.Veale 190cm, S.Bassett 190cm, P.Wiggins 195cm and S.Garlick 177cm through retirements and delistings.
4 of the players on the list gone are 190cm or over which is close to or at that KPP mark. Judging by this the club is going to take the best KPP available with their first pick in the draft and change the whole order of the top selections. Assuming Deledio and one of Tambling and Griffen are gone and the Bulldogs take the best KPP with pick 3, a very interesting situation occurs.
Richmond will come in at pick 4 with the 3rd best midfielder left and the option of the second best KP tall, this will be an interesting senario because if Richmond take that 3rd midfielder they will be missing out on either Franklin or Roughead at 4, which ever is left.The Hawks will also be in the same scenario at 5 and could be having to take between either the 2nd best KPP or 3rd midfielder depending on which one out of the 2 Richmond leave.
The Hawks worst scenario possibly is having to pick between for example 3rd midfielder Griffen and Wood because there is no KPP left. They might feel pressured into taking Wood because they won't want to come under scrutiny for not taking any standout KPP in the top 5 picks. That would see Griffen taken by the Doggies at 6 or worst case for us a second KPP in the top 6. The dice could roll another way but would be a game of outsmarting by the Dogs if they put it into affect.
 

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The Hawks might feel pressured into taking Wood because they won't want to come under scrutiny for not taking any standout KPP in the top 5 picks. That would see Griffen taken by the Doggies at 6
Mike,

Stop.

Just stop.
 

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Looking at the Doggies list out went M.Croft 191cm,L.Veale 190cm, S.Bassett 190cm, P.Wiggins 195cm and S.Garlick 177cm through retirements and delistings.
4 of the players on the list gone are 190cm or over which is close to or at that KPP mark. Judging by this the club is going to take the best KPP available with their first pick in the draft and change the whole order of the top selections. Assuming Deledio and one of Tambling and Griffen are gone and the Bulldogs take the best KPP with pick 3, a very interesting situation occurs.
Richmond will come in at pick 4 with the 3rd best midfielder left and the option of the second best KP tall, this will be an interesting senario because if Richmond take that 3rd midfielder they will be missing out on either Franklin or Roughead at 4, which ever is left.The Hawks will also be in the same scenario at 5 and could be having to take between either the 2nd best KPP or 3rd midfielder depending on which one out of the 2 Richmond leave.
The Hawks worst scenario possibly is having to pick between for example 3rd midfielder Griffen and Wood because there is no KPP left. They might feel pressured into taking Wood because they won't want to come under scrutiny for not taking any standout KPP in the top 5 picks. That would see Griffen taken by the Doggies at 6 or worst case for us a second KPP in the top 6. The dice could roll another way but would be a game of outsmarting by the Dogs if they put it into affect.
I'm sorry Chief, I missed the bit after Looking at the Doggies list......
 

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Looking at the Doggies list out went M.Croft 191cm,L.Veale 190cm, S.Bassett 190cm, P.Wiggins 195cm and S.Garlick 177cm through retirements and delistings.
4 of the players on the list gone are 190cm or over which is close to or at that KPP mark. Judging by this the club is going to take the best KPP available with their first pick in the draft and change the whole order of the top selections. Assuming Deledio and one of Tambling and Griffen are gone and the Bulldogs take the best KPP with pick 3, a very interesting situation occurs.
Richmond will come in at pick 4 with the 3rd best midfielder left and the option of the second best KP tall, this will be an interesting senario because if Richmond take that 3rd midfielder they will be missing out on either Franklin or Roughead at 4, which ever is left.The Hawks will also be in the same scenario at 5 and could be having to take between either the 2nd best KPP or 3rd midfielder depending on which one out of the 2 Richmond leave.
The Hawks worst scenario possibly is having to pick between for example 3rd midfielder Griffen and Wood because there is no KPP left. They might feel pressured into taking Wood because they won't want to come under scrutiny for not taking any standout KPP in the top 5 picks. That would see Griffen taken by the Doggies at 6 or worst case for us a second KPP in the top 6. The dice could roll another way but would be a game of outsmarting by the Dogs if they put it into affect.

the biggest load of garbage i have read in about a month!

if the dogs pick up roughhead or franklin over tambling,deledio and griffen then more fool them. Richmond have always said they will be using their first 2 picks to pick up the best no matter what positions they are in, so if its 2 midfielders then so be it.

I think your clutching at straws if you actually think the dogs will walk away with say Franklin or Roughead and Griffen.

you need your brain scanned.
 

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the biggest load of garbage i have read in about a month!

if the dogs pick up roughhead or franklin over tambling,deledio and griffen then more fool them. Richmond have always said they will be using their first 2 picks to pick up the best no matter what positions they are in, so if its 2 midfielders then so be it.

I think your clutching at straws if you actually think the dogs will walk away with say Franklin or Roughead and Griffen.

you need your brain scanned.

very nice :D
 

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I think the Dogs will take Franklin at 3. Eade had enormous success with Adam Goodes in the ruck and Paul Roos at CHB. That mobile, running, skillfull CHB is a key part of modern football and the Dogs will have to soon replace theirs with Chris Grant dragging his body to retirment this year or next.

Personally I don't think Franklin will be a genuine CHB in the tradtional style, but with the likes of Rivers, Cornes and Bowden in the process of reinventing it, and Eade's experience with Goodes and Roos, it just seems a really nice fit to me.
 

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I think the Dogs will take Franklin at 3. Eade had enormous success with Adam Goodes in the ruck and Paul Roos at CHB. That mobile, running, skillfull CHB is a key part of modern football and the Dogs will have to soon replace theirs with Chris Grant dragging his body to retirment this year or next.
The Dogs would be interested in Franklin at 3 because of the need to add a KPP as you pointed out but I'm not sure that they would pass on Tambling if he was still available. The Hawks probably need KPP more than the Dogs so you never know if they might grab Franklin at 2.
I'm also not convinced about Roughead at 3 as Mike is indicating but if he was available at 6 then he is probably a good selection for the Dogs.


Weaver said:
Personally I don't think Franklin will be a genuine CHB in the tradtional style, but with the likes of Rivers, Cornes and Bowden in the process of reinventing it, and Eade's experience with Goodes and Roos, it just seems a really nice fit to me.
The half back line has been developing into the first line of attack for a while and I think given his attacking nature it might be a very good position for him.
 

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Looking at the Doggies list out went M.Croft 191cm,L.Veale 190cm, S.Bassett 190cm, P.Wiggins 195cm and S.Garlick 177cm through retirements and delistings.
4 of the players on the list gone are 190cm or over which is close to or at that KPP mark. Judging by this the club is going to take the best KPP available with their first pick in the draft and change the whole order of the top selections. Assuming Deledio and one of Tambling and Griffen are gone and the Bulldogs take the best KPP with pick 3, a very interesting situation occurs.
Richmond will come in at pick 4 with the 3rd best midfielder left and the option of the second best KP tall, this will be an interesting senario because if Richmond take that 3rd midfielder they will be missing out on either Franklin or Roughead at 4, which ever is left.The Hawks will also be in the same scenario at 5 and could be having to take between either the 2nd best KPP or 3rd midfielder depending on which one out of the 2 Richmond leave.
The Hawks worst scenario possibly is having to pick between for example 3rd midfielder Griffen and Wood because there is no KPP left. They might feel pressured into taking Wood because they won't want to come under scrutiny for not taking any standout KPP in the top 5 picks. That would see Griffen taken by the Doggies at 6 or worst case for us a second KPP in the top 6. The dice could roll another way but would be a game of outsmarting by the Dogs if they put it into affect.

personally m8 griffen for me is the best midfielder in the draft ... roughead is not the best kpp franklin seems to have his measure, its just the interstate issue that would see him chosen behind roughead ... i think wood will be a sensational player and im sure whoever picks him up will be more than satisfied ... kpp high in the draft often dont come on like expected, eg tim walsh, luke livingstone etc.

i think if i were teh tigers, dogs and hawks id go something like this:
1. Tambling - sensational talent.
2. Griffen - probably teh most equiped midfielder in the draft.
3. Deledio - great talent.
4. Franklin - better than roughead imo.
5. Roughead - 2nd best kpp.
6. Wood - will be a superstar ruckman.
 

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IMO this is how it will pan out:
1/-Deledio:TW,s comments in regards to kicking 16 goals a match sends a clear message that Deledio will go #1.
2/-Franklin:More of a strategy selection than anything else.
3/-Roughead:The doggies need height more than a midfeilder at this stage.
4/-Tambling:was more or less sold on Griffen at 4 however once again Tw,s comments regarding playing attacking football has Tambling in front.
5/-Griffen:with their Kpp sewn up their next problem the midfeild is bolstered by Griffen.
6/-Wood:a perfect understudy to Darcy.
7/-Monfries:while the temptation would be to take a Meeson. passing up on Monfries will be too much.
8/-Meyer:no doubt they would have had Monfries in their sights however with him gone Meyer would fit the bill.
9/-Meeson:the tempatation to unite the de luca bros would be strong however Meeson is the safer pick.
10/-Eckerman:no doubt MM sees alot of Guy mckenna in this kid.


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IMO this is how it will pan out:
1/-Deledio:TW,s comments in regards to kicking 16 goals a match sends a clear message that Deledio will go #1.
2/-Franklin:More of a strategy selection than anything else.
3/-Roughead:The doggies need height more than a midfeilder at this stage.
4/-Tambling:was more or less sold on Griffen at 4 however once again Tw,s comments regarding playing attacking football has Tambling in front.
5/-Griffen:with their Kpp sewn up their next problem the midfeild is bolstered by Griffen.
6/-Wood:a perfect understudy to Darcy.
7/-Monfries:while the temptation would be to take a Meeson. passing up on Monfries will be too much.
8/-Meyer:no doubt they would have had Monfries in their sights however with him gone Meyer would fit the bill.
9/-Meeson:the tempatation to unite the de luca bros would be strong however Meeson is the safer pick.
10/-Eckerman:no doubt MM sees alot of Guy mckenna in this kid.


cheers!

not a bad list ... def agree about deluca ... i hope we're smart and not just select him cos of his bro ... with top 10 picks you gotta pick the best available ... imo meeson > deluca
 

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Deledio 100% certainty no.1 draft pick 2005.Mark My Words.Too good to miss out on.

After that it could be anything. But Tambling, Griffen, Franklin and Roughhead(in no order) will fill out the top five.

If available, Tigers would take Griffen or Tambling over a KPP.

If Hawks and Bulldogs want to both take a KPP, that would be great for Tigers-2 best Midfiielders.

I think the Bulldogs will state that they will take the best available, but they then will take Franklin- saying that he was the best availble. No doubt they are in need of a KPP.

If Hawks look at a KPP at pick 2 they would take Roughhead over Franklin due to WA factor.-Very, Very doubtful they will take a KPP at pick 2 though.

If Hawks would want to add excitement at 2, Tambling is their man. But if they are looking for skill they will take Griffen. IMO Griffen may be odds-on to go at pick 2, because of Crawford ageing, and they will be looking for a future captain. I just couldnt see Tambling being a future captain.


All up, Tigers are in the best position to get the best out of this draft, as the order suggests.

After the top 5, its going to be a lottery. Anything could come out.

Very interesting draft this year, no matter how lack of talent there may be.
 

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Deledio 100% certainty no.1 draft pick 2005.Mark My Words.Too good to miss out on.
Whoever finishes last next year is going to score themselves a top young player then. ;)
 

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4/-Tambling:was more or less sold on Griffen at 4 however once again Tw,s comments regarding playing attacking football has Tambling in front.
This is more wishful thinking and trying to influence the opposition just so you can get your hands on the 2nd best player in the draft!
9/-Meeson:the tempatation to unite the de luca bros would be strong however Meeson is the safer pick.
Agree 100%,the thought of 2 Deluca's sends, a shiver up my spine. Brothers who are the same type of player rarely succeed in the one side.
Rocca, A & S
Harvey, S &B
Wakelins,
Vosses,
Sextons,
Clokes?

The only example I can think of that works is the kray bros.
The comparison of F.Deluca to Alessio on
URL]http://www.hawkheadquarters.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11466[/UR
turnee me right off, Meeson or Wood is the go.
 

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10/-Eckerman:no doubt MM sees alot of Guy mckenna in this kid.

He must be expecting a growth spurt then. I thought Eckerman was supposed to be a quickish midfielder. At 178cm and 77kg he doesn't sound much like McKenna to me. Does he have red hair maybe?
;)
 

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the biggest load of garbage i have read in about a month!

if the dogs pick up roughhead or franklin over tambling,deledio and griffen then more fool them. Richmond have always said they will be using their first 2 picks to pick up the best no matter what positions they are in, so if its 2 midfielders then so be it.

I think your clutching at straws if you actually think the dogs will walk away with say Franklin or Roughead and Griffen.

you need your brain scanned.
Ever heard of a thing called team balance? Judging by what we have had depart the club we would surely be looking at replacing them with the best KPP in the draft. Inside midfielder would then be the go at 22.
 

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not a bad list ... def agree about deluca ... i hope we're smart and not just select him cos of his bro ... with top 10 picks you gotta pick the best available ... imo meeson > deluca
Perhaps but after his first year of Under-18 footy Meesan was so highly rated that he was UNDRAFTED. In contrast after his first year of under-18 footy DeLuca is being talked about as a top-10 talent. If DeLuca had had the extra 12 months of development then would Meesan still be ahead of him?
 

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Ever heard of a thing called team balance? Judging by what we have had depart the club we would surely be looking at replacing them with the best KPP in the draft. Inside midfielder would then be the go at 22.

the way you were dribbling crap though, you were basically saying the dogs with get either KPP and griffen

what a joke


1. Deledio (Richmond have to draft this kid)
2. Tambling (Hawks wont let this opportunity to go)
3. Franklin (according to mike)
4. Griffen (another win for the tigers to add strength to our crap midfield)
5. Roughhead (KPP the hawks want)
6. .............. who cares :D

there is no way the doggies will get one of the best KPP in the draft AND one of the top 3 midfielders with their 2 picks.
 

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personally m8 griffen for me is the best midfielder in the draft ... roughead is not the best kpp franklin seems to have his measure, its just the interstate issue that would see him chosen behind roughead ... i think wood will be a sensational player and im sure whoever picks him up will be more than satisfied ... kpp high in the draft often dont come on like expected, eg tim walsh, luke livingstone etc.

i think if i were teh tigers, dogs and hawks id go something like this:
1. Tambling - sensational talent.
2. Griffen - probably teh most equiped midfielder in the draft.
3. Deledio - great talent.
4. Franklin - better than roughead imo.
5. Roughead - 2nd best kpp.
6. Wood - will be a superstar ruckman.
Funny how Richmond end up with the two best players. :rolleyes:

Hawks will take whoever is available out of Tambling or Deledio at pick 1. Tambling is the number 1 priority.
 

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IMO this is how it will pan out:
1/-Deledio:TW,s comments in regards to kicking 16 goals a match sends a clear message that Deledio will go #1.
2/-Franklin:More of a strategy selection than anything else.
3/-Roughead:The doggies need height more than a midfeilder at this stage.
4/-Tambling:was more or less sold on Griffen at 4 however once again Tw,s comments regarding playing attacking football has Tambling in front.
5/-Griffen:with their Kpp sewn up their next problem the midfeild is bolstered by Griffen.
6/-Wood:a perfect understudy to Darcy.
7/-Monfries:while the temptation would be to take a Meeson. passing up on Monfries will be too much.
8/-Meyer:no doubt they would have had Monfries in their sights however with him gone Meyer would fit the bill.
9/-Meeson:the tempatation to unite the de luca bros would be strong however Meeson is the safer pick.
10/-Eckerman:no doubt MM sees alot of Guy mckenna in this kid.


cheers!
And getting Delido at 1, we must get Griffen is he is around at 4
 

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Funny how Richmond end up with the two best players. :rolleyes:

Hawks will take whoever is available out of Tambling or Deledio at pick 1. Tambling is the number 1 priority.
No they dont, you fool

Franklin and Tambling are not the best 2 players in this draft. They may though have the most up-side, but are the 2 biggest risks in the draft.

There is no way on this earth that richmond will gamble on taking both tambling and franklin in the draft as they are both the 2 biggest risks.

Deledio will be number 1, Then richmond will work out if they want to risk number 4 on franklin or tambling or go for a certainty- Griffen or roughhead.

but imo that tambling-if still available at 4 -tigers will take him.
 

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No they dont, you fool

Franklin and Tambling are not the best 2 players in this draft. They may though have the most up-side, but are the 2 biggest risks in the draft.

There is no way on this earth that richmond will gamble on taking both tambling and franklin in the draft as they are both the 2 biggest risks.

Deledio will be number 1, Then richmond will work out if they want to risk number 4 on franklin or tambling or go for a certainty- Griffen or roughhead.

but imo that tambling-if still available at 4 -tigers will take him.
Guess what they say about Richmond supporters is true.

He had Deledio and Tambling going to Richmond. They are the two best players in the draft.

Back to school and rub up on your reading schools you fool.

:rolleyes:
 

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Tambling WILL NOT last past Pick 2, so don't worry about that one! The Tigers won't get the chance to pick him up! From what I have heard, the Hawks were even going to take him if they got Pick 1.. Thats something to think about. Doubt they'll take Griffen over Tambling, Tambling has too much scope for improvent, he simply oozes class.. Also for all you people out there, Tambling along with Morton have the best foot skills in the draft, NOT Griffen! I also think that the Tigers will select Roughead with Pick 4, leaving Franklin with Pick 5 to the Hawks, IMO. Not because I'm biased, just because Roughead seems the safer selection! Monfries with Pick 7!!



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