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Just curious to find out whether people would be satisfied if Melksham becomes the equal of Stanton?

I realise they are different midfield types, just would like to see what people are expecting of this kid.

I, for one, think Stanton is a very good player. He works so hard each game and gives his all, very underrated. To get an equal of Stanton at pick 10 would be great.

Despite this, I can't help but hope Melksham becomes our A Grade midfielder we have been waiting so long for (although Watson is close). Here's to hoping!
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

Would like him to become more but would still be very pleased if becomes as good as Stanton.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

I would be satisfied.

Considering Stanton looks like becoming a 200+ game player, I would take that.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

I guess you'd be satisified but nothing more. Melksham, based on his videos anyway, seems to be a lot more dynamic than Stanton. I'd like to see some flair in this midfield, especially with Lovett's absence.
 
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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

Melksham, based on his videos anyway, seems to be a lot more dynamic than Stanton.

Agree completely.. Stants is a workhorse, Melksham looks more a burst player with the ability to change complexion of games quickly!!
 

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I hope he becomes better than Stanton who is ridiculously inconosistent!
4 games this season under 20 disposals.
Bemused me, too.

I'd say one of Stanton's strengths is consistency. He only seems to get blasted because he racks up possessions at will, but isn't as damaging as he could be.

He does what is required of him most of the time, and we know that he'll get every ounce of ability out of his body; we could do worse than land another midfielder of his calibre.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

4 games this season under 20 disposals.
14 games equal to or greater than 25: 61%
5 games equal to or greater than 20: 22%
4 games under 20: 17%

I'm also confused by bomberno1's comment. Stanton would be right up there as one of our most consistent i would have thought. I would be delighted if Melksham could return Stanton types of numbers.
 
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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

All I expect from the kid at this stage is to work hard, learn as much as he can, be the best footballer he can be and keep his nose clean.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

Stanton is consistent in winning the ball but inconsistent using it.

http://www.bombersfc.com.au/players.../senior/season/2009/selected/bio/default.aspx

Look at his game vs. Hawthorn. 31 disposals but at a disgraceful 55% disposal efficiency!!! Up and down like a yoyo and after the first two rounds of the season he never hit 80% again. 80%, imo, is a benchmark for elite midfielders. Not the only benchmark, or yardstick if you may, but certainly an important one.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

Stanton is consistent in winning the ball but inconsistent using it.

http://www.bombersfc.com.au/players.../senior/season/2009/selected/bio/default.aspx

Look at his game vs. Hawthorn. 31 disposals but at a disgraceful 55% disposal efficiency!!! Up and down like a yoyo and after the first two rounds of the season he never hit 80% again. 80%, imo, is a benchmark for elite midfielders. Not the only benchmark, or yardstick if you may, but certainly an important one.
80%? You've got to be joking.

2009 Average Disposal Efficiency:
Chris Judd 70%
Gary Ablett Jnr 75%
Nick Dal Santo 73%
Joel Selwood 72%
Simon Black 66%
Brent Stanton 73%


Stanton is unfairly maligned by Essendon supporters and other BF idiots, but opposition coaches aren't as blind, this is why he frequently cops the main tag. My only issue with him is his lack of defensive pressure. If he picks up in that area and kick a few more goals per year he could take that next step towards being in the upper end of midfielders in the league.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

80%? You've got to be joking.

2009 Average Disposal Efficiency:
Chris Judd 70%
Gary Ablett Jnr 75%
Nick Dal Santo 73%
Joel Selwood 72%
Simon Black 66%
Brent Stanton 73%


Stanton is unfairly maligned by Essendon supporters and other BF idiots, but opposition coaches aren't as blind, this is why he frequently cops the main tag. My only issue with him is his lack of defensive pressure. If he picks up in that area and kick a few more goals per year he could take that next step towards being in the upper end of midfielders in the league.
80% may be a bit too high then but it doesn't change the fact his disposal efficiency was inconsistent this year.

Cops a main tag? I haven't seen any other Essendon player run free on the wings as a link up player more often than Stanton. If they are tagging him they're doing a crapola job of doing it.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

My bad, should have said that when he has copped a tag is when his figures and output drop. Eg Saints Rd.7, Lions Rd18.

Most players have inconsistancies in their game, even the 'elite' ones, but that's okay because they are 'elite'. Yet when Stants has those same inconsistancies it's unacceptable?
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

Yeah I see where you're getting at and I regard his work ethic as one of the best in the league but it's more the simple things with Stants and the fact that he doesn't possess any kapow about him to hurt an opposition that allows a supporter to think "yeah, he stuffed that up but it's ok because he did something ridiculous down the other end to save us".

But I guess that's not related to his consistency, but rather lack of flair.

I can't quite put my finger on it but it would be something to do with his finishing. How to convey that in stats I'm not quite sure.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

I guess unwarranted pressure by supporters like myself wanting him to perform an elite level rather than accepting he's a very good but not elite player doesn't help either.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

80% may be a bit too high then but it doesn't change the fact his disposal efficiency was inconsistent this year.

Cops a main tag? I haven't seen any other Essendon player run free on the wings as a link up player more often than Stanton. If they are tagging him they're doing a crapola job of doing it.
Are you serious? Stanton was always one of the first to cop a tag each game. I can name a few taggers off the top of my head right now who have tagged him throughout the year.
D Jackson
C Jones
T Selwood
Bartram
Carrazzo
A Selwood
The reason you see him running around the wings as a link up player usually without an opponent is due to how hard he runs offensively. Stanton probably has the biggest tank in our team and consistantly busts his gut each game. The same can not be said for his defensive efforts however they are improving by the season.

EDIT: Whoops, screwed up the quote
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

Stanton is consistent in winning the ball but inconsistent using it.

http://www.bombersfc.com.au/players.../senior/season/2009/selected/bio/default.aspx

Look at his game vs. Hawthorn. 31 disposals but at a disgraceful 55% disposal efficiency!!! Up and down like a yoyo and after the first two rounds of the season he never hit 80% again. 80%, imo, is a benchmark for elite midfielders. Not the only benchmark, or yardstick if you may, but certainly an important one.
Mate if Stanton went at 80% efficiency he would be close to the best player in the competition.

And this is coming from a guy who is not a massive fan.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

80% may be a bit too high then but it doesn't change the fact his disposal efficiency was inconsistent this year.

Cops a main tag? I haven't seen any other Essendon player run free on the wings as a link up player more often than Stanton. If they are tagging him they're doing a crapola job of doing it.

Next time you are at a game spend 5-10 minutes just watching Stanton. Don't worry about watching the ball or missing the play. This is the best way to get a good understanding of the way a player plays and it is something i do a fair bit.

Stanton gets tagged most weeks. The way he tries to shake tags is by running them into the ground. He is not overly quick but he has a tremendous tank.
 

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i'd be happy if he is as good as stanton, because it means we haven't had a miss with the pick. but i'm hopeful, and reasonably confident, that this is the minimum level he reaches. has the kicking tools to be a two-sided player already, so that's a good start.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

Yeah I see where you're getting at and I regard his work ethic as one of the best in the league but it's more the simple things with Stants and the fact that he doesn't possess any kapow about him to hurt an opposition that allows a supporter to think "yeah, he stuffed that up but it's ok because he did something ridiculous down the other end to save us".

But I guess that's not related to his consistency, but rather lack of flair.

I can't quite put my finger on it but it would be something to do with his finishing. How to convey that in stats I'm not quite sure.
Probably cannot be conveyed.
Even Hodge does really poorly in effectiveness % stats. (Don't even look at Buddy's!). Because they kick long a lot, and make things happen. Football is not a game of numbers.

That Hawks game - Stants kicked 1.3 or 1.4 . I'm sorry, effectiveness or not, if you have 30 shots and manage to kick 3 of those, you're BOG 9 times out of 10. He didn't manage to do that, but to slate him for that game is ludicrous.
 

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I hope he becomes better than Stanton who is ridiculously inconosistent!
Another dumb comment.
Stanton may not be exciting or flashy , he may not possess the defensive mindset that could see him go from being a very good player to an elite player , he may not even have the greatest kicking skills but calling him ridiculously inconsistant is simply wrong.
He is very consistant at finding the footy 20 times plus most weeks.
 

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Re: If Melksham became the equal of Stanton.

80% may be a bit too high then but it doesn't change the fact his disposal efficiency was inconsistent this year.

Cops a main tag? I haven't seen any other Essendon player run free on the wings as a link up player more often than Stanton. If they are tagging him they're doing a crapola job of doing it.
Stanton quite often starts slow and finishes strong because he wears his taggers into the ground. I don't have the stats, but I felt when watching matches last year that this quite often was the case. This is why he was running free linking up on the wing.

Forget about what I think, I think Melksham would be pretty happy atm to take Stanton's career 5 years into an AFL career.
 
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