Burgatron Phantom Draft 2008

[BluesRules]

I guess living in Toorak makes it hard to see Yarran live.

Please explain what Yarran should do more to improve? Does he not kick enough goals in the WAFL against men? Does he not set up enough goals in the WAFL against MEN?

Does he not play a highly important role in getting the Swans into the WAFL finals? Is he not quick enough for you?

Have you ever seen Yarran play? Do you find it strange there are a number of people that have a heap of information, that rate Yarran in their top 6? Miss Emma "Everyone's Man Crush" Q has him rated as the second best player.

So please go ahead and explain where did Yarran go wrong?

I think people believe that he is as good a Rioli and that he''ll have a debut season similar to Cyril. It isn't going to happen.

Yes, I have seen him play a few times and for some reason he reminds me of Egan from the Pies (I think he was delisted this year).

I'm not saying that he will become a dud like Egan, but I believe that if we select a Ziebell, Hartlett, Hurley (At least one will be available) we will get a player that is quality and has less negatives against their name.

Will Yarran play midfield? Does he work hard enough on the track? Will off field issues be a problem?

He has too many question marks. But, on the other hand I find it very hard to find negatives with Hartlett, Ziebell, Hurley etc. Picking Yarran at 6 is a huge risk because we would be overlooking more capable players.

It has the Richard Tambling mess written all over it.

Just for the record, Tambling was thirty times the player Yarran is as a junior. Don't buy into all this Yarran crap talk.

 

[Salaryman]

They have more information than us, but I'll be speechless if we take Nahas ahead of Sharples.

I'd say better foot skills....Nahas' skills don't need work, Sharples do....I'd say we're scared off picking blokes who need work on their kicking.

 

[Salaryman]

I think people believe that he is as good a Rioli and that he''ll have a debut season similar to Cyril. It isn't going to happen.

Yes, I have seen him play a few times and for some reason he reminds me of Egan from the Pies (I think he was delisted this year).

I'm not saying that he will become a dud like Egan, but I believe that if we select a Ziebell, Hartlett, Hurley (At least one will be available) we will get a player that is quality and has less negatives against their name.

Will Yarran play midfield? Does he work hard enough on the track? Will off field issues be a problem?

He has too many question marks. But, on the other hand I find it very hard to find negatives with Hartlett, Ziebell, Hurley etc. Picking Yarran at 6 is a huge risk because we would be overlooking more capable players.

It has the Richard Tambling mess written all over it.

Just for the record, Tambling was thirty times the player Yarran is as a junior. Don't buy into all this Yarran crap talk.

I think you're talking through your you know what.

 

[BlueDW]

Wouldn't mind Cornelius at 40.

I'm a bit concerned about Yarran. He just doesn't do enough. Ziebell would be a much better option.

We must select Rich if he falls to six. I rate Hartlett and Hurley, but would stay clear of Yarran

Mate from what I am hearing about this kid, playing seniors in the WAFL, kicking 39 goals and getting 17 Sandover votes in 13 games, I think you drive a hard bargain. How could he possibly have done more?

FWIW, and I like most on here know bugger all about what is on WH's mind, then he would be mighty hard to pass up if he is still there at 6.

 

[BluesRules]

I think you're talking through your you know what.

Fair enough.

I just believe that Ziebell, Hartlett and Hurley are better options. Just my opinion.

 

[BlueYoss]

Have you ever seen Yarran play? Do you find it strange there are a number of people that have a heap of information, that rate Yarran in their top 6? Miss Emma "Everyone's Man Crush" Q has him rated as the second best player.

 

[Salaryman]

Fair enough.

I just believe that Ziebell, Hartlett and Hurley are better options. Just my opinion.

And you are entitled to that.....but some of the comments about Yarran were way off the mark for mine.

 

[OZBomb]

They have more information than us, but I'll be speechless if we take Nahas ahead of Sharples.

I think it's a similar sort of reasoning to what I wrote in another thread. Recruiters seem to want small forwards to have had some experience at state level before taking a risk with them in the draft. Matt Campbell, Austin Wonaemirri, Aaron and Alwyn Davey are all examples.

 

[BluesRules]

My fantasy is now over

 

[BluesRules]

And you are entitled to that.....but some of the comments about Yarran were way off the mark for mine.

Are you saying that you rate Yarran higher than Hartlett, Ziebell, Hurley and Rich.

In what order would you rank them?

My order:

Rich
Harlett
Hurley
Ziebell
Yarran

 

[BLUE BLEEDING]

i would be shattered if the draft turns out like that-
*us taking yarran over ziebell.
*and us taking young and mangan over o'keefe, klemke, rockliffe, hannebery, jetta, motlop, hill and nahas.

i believe there is a big 'go home' factor with yarran as he has strong ties in WA and ziebell in defence would be great for us with his toughness, marking, competitivness and booming kick (set up out of defence). ziebell also has versatility and can kick us some goals or help out in midfield.

 

[s1bbald]

I too would like to see Ziebell at our club over Yarran, but I have nothing to base that on, except bias. Can someone explain to me the bad-taste I get in my mouth when I see Yarran linked to Carlton? Is it all the negativity on this site? Or perhaps it's his performance in the one game I saw him play?

 

[BluesRules]

i would be shattered if the draft turns out like that-
*us taking yarran over ziebell.
*and us taking young and mangan over o'keefe, klemke, rockliffe, hannebery, jetta, motlop, hill and nahas.

i believe there is a big 'go home' factor with yarran as he has strong ties in WA and ziebell in defence would be great for us with his toughness, marking, competitivness and booming kick (set up out of defence). ziebell also has versatility and can kick us some goals or help out in midfield.

Very well said. I agree with every point.

Zielbell will play a Goddard type role.

I also believe that Yarran has question marks on his attack on the footy. Putting his head over the ball isn't his strength.

A tad soft.

 

[barnesy_78]

Re: Burgatron's Carlton Picks

hmmmm...not convinced,

I'm probably not in a strong position to make a statement here but because I probably don’t know enough but hey this is why we love bigfooty, it’s so you can voice your opinions when you want.

Anyway from the clips I have seen of the players that Carlton seem interested with I still have Hurley as my no.1 pick - he's a big lad, looked calm when pressured and can kick 60 meters with either foot! There wasn’t a player like him in last years draft and might not be for next years draft! – Need Hill to go 3 meaning Essendon to pick Rich leaving Hurley for us!

Yarran is the unknown but I don’t think he is worth the risk! The clips I saw of him he didn’t seemed to show he hasn’t the tank that AFL requires these days! There are more and more players similar to Yarran coming through the draft system every year so I would be willing to risk him.

Had my sights set on Cornelius and he went pick 39 so at pick 40 that could still be a chance?

Not sure about a bloke (Young) that some recruiters believe wont be picked at all!

Mangan who I don’t know a thing about reads well so that might be ok and Nahas - how small?????

 

[Silvagnis]

I'd say better foot skills....Nahas' skills don't need work, Sharples do....I'd say we're scared off picking blokes who need work on their kicking.

*cough*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLxbdM66dhQ

 

[Silvagnis]

I also believe that Yarran has question marks on his attack on the footy. Putting his head over the ball isn't his strength.

A tad soft.

And you're a good judge of talent and football based on your posting history...

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=303348

In last years draft we had the opportunity to get Leroy Jetta. What a mistake it was to overlook him. It was a miracle that he slipped so far down the draft order, but when he was available at carltons second pick it was fantastic. It was an opportunity for carlton to pick up a super quick mid/fwd. Picking Hampson was a mistake. We should have taken Jetta at 17 and hope Hampson was there at 19 (Which he would have been because essendon wasn't going to pick another tall).

This will be a huge mistake. Remember these words. Grigg is very soft, can't kick and is only a back flanker, Hampson isn't really a proven under age footballer (Was worth the gamble at pick 19, but not at pick 17 in front of jetta).

With a midfield that contains Bentick, Murphy, Stevens and Gibbs. These guys are not quick. We needed an injection of pace. Jetta was the answer for carlton. Carlton lack pace in the midfield and it will come back and haunt us in the future.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365083

I know that the Eagles are desperate for a quality full forward.

As Carlton fans would you be happy with this trade. I know Mitch is a gun and is starved of opportunities at the Eagles and it looks like he will continue to struggle for senior games next year. If he came to carlton he would be a regular senior player. Also, we will probably draft Cale Morton with pick 3 in the draft, both brothers can play at the one club (Who gives a toss about the third brother at hawthorn).

We would probably prefer a Matt Rosa, but I think getting Morton is more realistic.

Yarran is a lot better than your man Jetta.

I wouldn't call Yarran soft when he held his feet against Shaun McKernan and outmarked him.

 

[Blueinblood]

Re: Burgatron's Carlton Picks

Will Yound looked the goods on his vid.

 

[Salaryman]

Re: Burgatron's Carlton Picks

Yarran is the unknown but I don’t think he is worth the risk! The clips I saw of him he didn’t seemed to show he hasn’t the tank that AFL requires these days!

You're judging his tank on Youtube highlight clips ??

I appreciate that people are entitled to their own opinions, but please think before hitting "submit"

 

[HBF]

Happy with Yarran and Mangan. Young is ok for a developing KPP, but taking him at 40 is too high for me. As for Nahas, seen him play in the VFL - but i'm just not sure what sort of impact he'd have in the AFL. All I can say is thank god the draft is only a couple of days away.

 

[blblues]

Very well said. I agree with every point.

Zielbell will play a Goddard type role.

I also believe that Yarran has question marks on his attack on the footy. Putting his head over the ball isn't his strength.

A tad soft.

What do you judge this on? Does he shirk contests? He is an outside player, as you would expect from a livewire forward. Not everyone in your team needs to be hard as long as they don't shirk the issue when they need to go. Are you suggesting that he is soft because he shirks contests or more so is it based on the fact that he is more of an outside player? Not trying to be a smartass, just curious as to what you have seen that suggests he is soft?

The go home factor may be a problem. I would trust our recruiting staff that they would identify if he was a player that is likely to want to go home before they recruited him.

 

[Silvagnis]

Robin Nahas.

We have Ellard who is the same size.

Go for a taller forward like Bucovaz.

Why is Cahill still around at 78?

 

[JezBlues]

Too many forwards drafted there

If lets say we knew that we would get those 3 players at 40, 65 and 80 I would definately go for Hill or Ziebell who are just as talented to maybe give us some run off the halfback line, but definately happy to end up with Yarran in the navy blue

 

[BLUE BLEEDING]

The go home factor may be a problem. I would trust our recruiting staff that they would identify if he was a player that is likely to want to go home before they recruited him.

that's what i'm doing too.

 

[Cruiser23]

I'd say better foot skills....Nahas' skills don't need work, Sharples do....I'd say we're scared off picking blokes who need work on their kicking.

Which is way i can't see us taking Will Young, especially at pick 40, his kicking needs a lot of work IMO.

 

[Sam The Doc]

Which is way i can't see us taking Will Young, especially at pick 40.

yea not a fan