Bushfires.

[SM]

#humblebrag

Are you neighbours sending their BMWs down to the harbour for safe keeping?

Hi friend, haven't seen you in a while.

It wasn't a brag, it was underlining how polar opposite the area is to the bush.

 

[Caesar]

I live in a reasonably affluent suburb of Sydney and have had my suburb named as one of the most high risk areas in Sydney. Please do tell me how this constitutes 'living in the bush'.

Suburbs like Turramurra are classified as high risk because they have a large number of houses close to bushland, but realistically you are unlikely to see much damage from a fire in an area with such a limited amount of fuel and so close to firefighting resources.

Comparing your situation on the north shore to those in the bush is naive at best.

 

[SM]

Suburbs like Turramurra are classified as high risk because they have a large number of houses close to bushland, but realistically you are unlikely to see much damage from a fire in an area with such a limited amount of fuel and so close to firefighting resources.

Comparing your situation on the north shore to those in the bush is naive at best.

I don't think you know what naive means if you're claiming I'm being naive.

I'm merely pointing out that the North Shore of Sydney is hardly the bush and to have it being considered high risk is not something that can be handwaved as "meh we've always had bush fires".

 

[Caesar]

I don't think you know what naive means if you're claiming I'm being naive.

I'm merely pointing out that the North Shore of Sydney is hardly the bush and to have it being considered high risk is not something that can be handwaved as "meh we've always had bush fires".

These things are very relative, and talking about your home on the north shore being high risk whilst people in actual risk areas are losing homes, livestock and property comes across as incredibly naive.

The reality is that people in your situation have never been likely to be seriously impacted by bushfires, and that hasn't changed. If Garigal catches alight, it will be contained relatively easily and few if any houses will be lost.

 

[Scotland]

Living next to Kings Park in Perth would be high risk but it's not the same as living on the Darling Range.

From a bushfire perspective I would rather live in the Sydney metro area even if it is on the North East side than 50km further North.

 

[SM]

I'm heading home now because there's a fire in Turramurra. But that's probably me being naive.

 

[peternorth]

lots of flights being cancelled here in sydney. due to fires.

customer service look stressed. a lot of bag drops shut down. Dunno why

 

[Scotland]

Where is the opposition to controlled burns coming from?

Bananarby blames the Greens. Adam and the Bandts says no they are for it. Blake Griffin in glasses says the major parties are arsonists.

Suffice to say it's pointless asking any of those clowns. So who is pushing back against controlled burns? I've spent a lot of time living in bushfire risk areas and it's not the people that live there. Now I live in the city and it's not me. Who is it? Greenies? Bureaucrats? Naive treechangers? Talkback radio listeners?

 

[HairyO]

Suburbs like Turramurra are classified as high risk because they have a large number of houses close to bushland, but realistically you are unlikely to see much damage from a fire in an area with such a limited amount of fuel and so close to firefighting resources.

Comparing your situation on the north shore to those in the bush is naive at best.

South Turramurra sits on a National Park. The reason why there isnt much damage is because the home owners are incredibly well organised and resourced and do a huge amount of training.

Where is the opposition to controlled burns coming from?

Bananarby blames the Greens. Adam and the Bandts says no they are for it. Blake Griffin in glasses says the major parties are arsonists.

Suffice to say it's pointless asking any of those clowns. So who is pushing back against controlled burns? I've spent a lot of time living in bushfire risk areas and it's not the people that live there. Now I live in the city and it's not me. Who is it? Greenies? Bureaucrats? Naive treechangers? Talkback radio listeners?

Every year the RFS makes backburning plans and every year they do a fraction of it.

Every year there are pushes for people to be able to clear more of their land to make it safe and there is resistance from councils who hand out massive fines for illegal clearing.

I would assume journos would be able to find out the causes fairly easily, but for some reason there is very little discussion on the why.

 

[Jpw22511]

Have surely the army's fire fighting squads are on the way to help.

 

[Caesar]

Where is the opposition to controlled burns coming from?

Bananarby blames the Greens. Adam and the Bandts says no they are for it. Blake Griffin in glasses says the major parties are arsonists.

Suffice to say it's pointless asking any of those clowns. So who is pushing back against controlled burns? I've spent a lot of time living in bushfire risk areas and it's not the people that live there. Now I live in the city and it's not me. Who is it? Greenies? Bureaucrats? Naive treechangers? Talkback radio listeners?

Officially, nobody opposes hazard reduction burns. The tension mostly revolves around the level of green tape that binds the RFS when attempting to get a burn approved.

It is not unusual for the RFS zone manager to have to seek individual approval from multiple agencies at all three levels of government. These can include the NPWS, State Forestry Commission, EPA, water authority, and any local councils affected.

The Greens’ policy is that hazard reduction burns should be a last resort. As a result they tend to be in favour of increasing the number of hoops that people need to jump through, and in particular beefing up the ability of (or indeed requirements for) agencies to block burns on environmental grounds.

 

[Billy ray]

just went out to grab my kids from school and now driving back inland to my place and the wind has changed direction and, after almost a day of blue skies, the NSW smoke is heading back. photo shows it coming from the south west.

 

[Caesar]

I'm heading home now because there's a fire in Turramurra. But that's probably me being naive.

You’ll be fine.

 

[SM]

You’ll be fine.

Thanks mum.

 

[Scotland]

Every year the RFS makes backburning plans and every year they do a fraction of it.

Every year there are pushes for people to be able to clear more of their land to make it safe and there is resistance from councils who hand out massive fines for illegal clearing.

I would assume journos would be able to find out the causes fairly easily, but for some reason there is very little discussion on the why.

A big issue with controlled burns and targets is that you need favourable weather conditions. If you decide to burn off an area and you get a hot and windy day then those plans get shelved. If you get pouring rain they get shelved. No govt body is going to burn off during Summer for the risk of losing control of the fire.

Officially, nobody opposes hazard reduction burns. The tension mostly revolves around the level of green tape that binds the RFS when attempting to get a burn approved.

It is not unusual for the RFS zone manager to have to seek individual approval from multiple agencies at all three levels of government. These can include the NPWS, State Forestry Commission, EPA, water authority, and any local councils affected.

The Greens’ policy is that hazard reduction burns should be a last resort. As a result they tend to be in favour of increasing the number of hoops that people need to jump through, and in particular beefing up the ability of agencies to block burns on environmental grounds.

Officially, the govt has an environmental policy (https://www.liberal.org.au/our-plan/environment). Practically, they are tokenist idiots who think that opening a new coal mine is a good idea. They are committed to reducing carbon emissions (by a smallish amount) but it's not outlined why. Reality being regardless of what the 70 odd MPs think they know the population believe the science and going full Tony Abbott is a bad move politically.

Anyway, it sounds like there are just too many levels of bureaucracy involved. The Greens are full of shit if they are pro controlled burns but actively make it harder to do them. Reducing fuel load is a practical resort for people in fire risk areas. Weather patterns are impacted by many factors, many beyond our control. But we can still look after fire risk areas on a micro level.

 

[Sonny Bonds]

Home

Koalas In Care Inc. main objective is to rescue/care/administer appropriate medical treatment to injured/diseased wild koalas admitted into the Association's care. They are licensed by the Department of Planning, Industry & Environment to rescue and care for koalas.

www.koalasincare.org.au

Koalas in care need donations if you can spare a few dollars.

 

[Sonny Bonds]

Taree couple caring for 24 koalas in their home after bushfires

Paul and Christeen McLeod are sharing their home on the New South Wales mid-north coast with 24 koalas.

www.news.com.au

 

[Hawk Dork]

Every year there are pushes for people to be able to clear more of their land to make it safe and there is resistance from councils who hand out massive fines for illegal clearing.

I would assume journos would be able to find out the causes fairly easily, but for some reason there is very little discussion on the why.

NSW farmers granted amnesty for illegal land-clearing

Environment movement accuses the Berejiklian government of caving in to big agribusiness over the amnesty

www.theguardian.com

Land-clearing rates rocketed in year before NSW laws were loosened

Some 20,200 hectares were cleared for crops, pasture or thinning - or about 70 times the size of Sydney's central business district.

www.smh.com.au

 

[HairyO]

NSW farmers granted amnesty for illegal land-clearing

Environment movement accuses the Berejiklian government of caving in to big agribusiness over the amnesty

www.theguardian.com

Land-clearing rates rocketed in year before NSW laws were loosened

Some 20,200 hectares were cleared for crops, pasture or thinning - or about 70 times the size of Sydney's central business district.

www.smh.com.au

Pasture clearing by farmers is not the same as cutting down all trees within 30m of your house.

 

[Hawk Dork]

Pasture clearing by farmers is not the same as cutting down all trees within 30m of your house.

Greens fining people, stopping people clearing ?

Factcheck: Is there really a green conspiracy to stop bushfire hazard reduction?

Firefighters are trying to contain dozens of fires across two states, but a familiar blame game has already begun

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hawk Dork]

Barnaby Joyce says sun's magnetic fields cause bushfires.
Associate Professor Pete Strutton, from the Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies at the University of Tasmania, said it was difficult to analyse Mr Joyce's claim because it was so bizarre.

"I don’t even know what he means.
We know what causes climate change," he said.

"What exactly would the magnetic fields influence? I can't even ... Are they influencing the amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth?
It is hard to respond to because it is so wacky."

Barnaby Joyce says sun's magnetic fields cause bushfires. Science says...

Barnaby Joyce’s claim that changes to sun’s magnetic fields were linked to bushfires burning out of control across NSW have been rubbished by climate scientists.

www.theage.com.au

 

[SM]

Barnaby Joyce says sun's magnetic fields cause bushfires.
Associate Professor Pete Strutton, from the Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies at the University of Tasmania, said it was difficult to analyse Mr Joyce's claim because it was so bizarre.

"I don’t even know what he means.
We know what causes climate change," he said.

"What exactly would the magnetic fields influence? I can't even ... Are they influencing the amount of solar radiation reaching the Earth?
It is hard to respond to because it is so wacky."

Barnaby Joyce says sun's magnetic fields cause bushfires. Science says...

Barnaby Joyce’s claim that changes to sun’s magnetic fields were linked to bushfires burning out of control across NSW have been rubbished by climate scientists.

www.theage.com.au

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Lol Betoota cracks me up.

Wait..

 

[the fly]

The smoke really rolled in today, presumably from the Gospers Mountain fire.

 

[iluvparis]

The smoke really rolled in today, presumably from the Gospers Mountain fire.

I think a lot of that was actually dust coming up from the south with the wind change.

 

[Billy ray]