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It does seem a long time ago, to think a few months ago everyone thought fire services should get funding for everything yet now we find ourselves in a very different climate and they will be the last thing on governments mind.

The CFA budget desperately needs a big boost, the $40m the government slashed last year would be a good start, at the moment there are a lot of vehicles well past their used by date but can’t be replaced due to lack of funds. This government expects fire trucks to last 70-80 years based on their current allocation of funds!
 
Navyblues09 said:
It does seem a long time ago, to think a few months ago everyone thought fire services should get funding for everything yet now we find ourselves in a very different climate and they will be the last thing on governments mind.

The CFA budget desperately needs a big boost, the $40m the government slashed last year would be a good start, at the moment there are a lot of vehicles well past their used by date but can’t be replaced due to lack of funds. This government expects fire trucks to last 70-80 years based on their current allocation of funds!
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When was the cut? 2018/19? or 2019/20?
 

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Navyblues09 said:
It does seem a long time ago, to think a few months ago everyone thought fire services should get funding for everything yet now we find ourselves in a very different climate and they will be the last thing on governments mind.

The CFA budget desperately needs a big boost, the $40m the government slashed last year would be a good start, at the moment there are a lot of vehicles well past their used by date but can’t be replaced due to lack of funds. This government expects fire trucks to last 70-80 years based on their current allocation of funds!
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Good luck, no money to spend now.......next year big fires, people who took government handouts complaining why the government didn't invest more in CFA etc...

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I also know for a fact what the CFAs cut of the funding is.

This next budget could be even less given they’ll be spending millions on rebranding FRV assets.
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So it's not really a cut, but a reallocation of funds. And well overdue. The fact that places like Springvale were considered CFA was ridiculous. The FRV structure should better serve the state overall.
 
Deliverance said:
So it's not really a cut, but a reallocation of funds. And well overdue. The fact that places like Springvale were considered CFA was ridiculous. The FRV structure should better serve the state overall.
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No it wasn’t a reallocation of funds, that will occur next year when operating costs are cut. This was a $40m cut to the asset budget which cuts the amount of trucks that can be replaced by 66%. The CFA has 1300 operational firefighting appliances, about 50 of them will transition to FRV, FRV should not be affecting CFAs asset budget.

The current budget allows about 20 of those trucks to be replaced in a year. Then you have the fire stations which don’t even have basic amenities.

The FRV structure is a simple union pleasing move that’s it. How does changing the name on a truck improve Victoria’s fire capabilities?

How does removing the capability of CFAs career staff from being able to respond to bushfires an improvement? For as long as career firefighters have existed, they have had the ability to jump on a tanker and go fight a grassfire or a bushfire. As of July 1st 2020, we will no longer be able to do that.

How is that an improvement?
 
Navyblues09 said:
No it wasn’t a reallocation of funds, that will occur next year when operating costs are cut. This was a $40m cut to the asset budget which cuts the amount of trucks that can be replaced by 66%. The CFA has 1300 operational firefighting appliances, about 50 of them will transition to FRV, FRV should not be affecting CFAs asset budget.

The current budget allows about 20 of those trucks to be replaced in a year. Then you have the fire stations which don’t even have basic amenities.

The FRV structure is a simple union pleasing move that’s it. How does changing the name on a truck improve Victoria’s fire capabilities?

How does removing the capability of CFAs career staff from being able to respond to bushfires an improvement? For as long as career firefighters have existed, they have had the ability to jump on a tanker and go fight a grassfire or a bushfire. As of July 1st 2020, we will no longer be able to do that.

How is that an improvement?
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The Andrews government has increased funding to the CFA by 170 million dollars during their time in office. Check the CFA annual reports. They're not cutting funding. It's clearly a reallocation to a better system. The system was old, outdated and wasn't up to speed with the massive population changes that have occurred in recent decades across Victoria. Numerous reports including the bushfire royal Commission of 2009 have recommended this structural change.
CFA staff aren't bring removed and the FRV will provide a better structured response to bushfires to help the CFA volunteers be more effective.
The structural changes already made to Victoria's emergency response capabilities had a massive hand in a reduced loss of life in 2019/2020 compared with 2008. This will strengthen the process.
 
Deliverance said:
The Andrews government has increased funding to the CFA by 170 million dollars during their time in office. Check the CFA annual reports. They're not cutting funding. It's clearly a reallocation to a better system. The system was old, outdated and wasn't up to speed with the massive population changes that have occurred in recent decades across Victoria. Numerous reports including the bushfire royal Commission of 2009 have recommended this structural change.
CFA staff aren't bring removed and the FRV will provide a better structured response to bushfires to help the CFA volunteers be more effective.
The structural changes already made to Victoria's emergency response capabilities had a massive hand in a reduced loss of life in 2019/2020 compared with 2008. This will strengthen the process.
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Does the funding include mitigation specifics or is it more aimed at hardware (trucks etc).
 
Deliverance said:
The Andrews government has increased funding to the CFA by 170 million dollars during their time in office. Check the CFA annual reports. They're not cutting funding. It's clearly a reallocation to a better system. The system was old, outdated and wasn't up to speed with the massive population changes that have occurred in recent decades across Victoria. Numerous reports including the bushfire royal Commission of 2009 have recommended this structural change.
CFA staff aren't bring removed and the FRV will provide a better structured response to bushfires to help the CFA volunteers be more effective.
The structural changes already made to Victoria's emergency response capabilities had a massive hand in a reduced loss of life in 2019/2020 compared with 2008. This will strengthen the process.
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The only budget increases have been to employ more career firefighters, the asset budget is ridiculously low.

Lol, how is simply rebranding trucks improving anything? Same people, same vehicles, just no one to complain about union influence.

No, the ability of staff to respond to bushfires has been removed. How is having less people able to fight bushfires an improvement? How does it make volunteers more effective by giving them less resources?

Also please, please show me the recommendations from the 2009 BRC that said we should remove all career staff from the CFA, I’ve never seen that one before!
 

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im just gonna leave this here

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...d/news-story/199c41bf9eb5af07a75575fea278c1f8
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The analysis is starting to happen. Certainly was one hell of a summer.

thenewdaily.com.au

Bushfire royal commission hears evidence from expert

Australia experienced almost as many firestorms – bushfires so intense they create their own weather systems – during the 'Black Summer' season.
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"The South Australian Country Fire Service’s Brett O’Loughlin said the fires spread across public land and private property, by direct flame and by embers.

“In a season like we had, it does highlight the limitations on fuel management as a method of stopping these sort of fires on those worse first condition days,” he said."
 

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Kwality said:
do tell ....
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Umm. Not much to tell. 3 houses on consecutive blocks burnt down. All bulldozed and cleared. Lady and husband owned all three blocks. Husband died a few months later. Lady moved up the coast and put the blocks up for sale.
1600m2 flat block.
24m × 65m
$300k
Yes please, I'll have that.

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Paul66 said:
Umm. Not much to tell. 3 houses on consecutive blocks burnt down. All bulldozed and cleared. Lady and husband owned all three blocks. Husband died a few months later. Lady moved up the coast and put the blocks up for sale.
1600m2 flat block.
24m × 65m
$300k
Yes please, I'll have that.

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Are there any specific building standards around bushfires ? Canny investment :thumbsu:
 

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