As I said, different opinions are what it's all about. We all watched the same game, some including me thought he was shocking, others saw positives. Personally I'd like to see a key forward do more than just attack the ball and crash packs. I can't mark or kick either but will happily crash a few packs for a few hundred k per year as would hundreds of country footballers who do that every weekend. I admire the loyalty some supporters show towards Butcher, actually it amazes me, I don't think I've seen too many guys on an AFL field who are so obviously out of their depth. Just out of interest, did those 5 goals you're giving him credit for include fumbled marks he should have held which he 'brought to ground for the crumbers'. The reaction to the 1 goal he did kick says it all really - was like witnessing a miracle.