Play Nice Bye Bye Brad #3 [Locked: BS signs 2-year ext. Aug-2017, tied to NM until end 2020]

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I wonder if there is any middle ground. For example, are there any Scott supporters who genuinely feel that we are a better team if we continue to play Swallow and Thomas on their current form? Or that going into the Freo game with one ruckman, one key forward, and one tall but underdone forward was a substantial risk?
 

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I wonder if there is any middle ground. For example, are there any Scott supporters who genuinely feel that we are a better team if we continue to play Swallow and Thomas on their current form? Or that going into the Freo game with one ruckman, one key forward, and one tall but underdone forward was a substantial risk?
Like a Turducken?

 

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Scott backers must love losing....

No win since July.

JULY! And still playing old/useless players :thumbsdown:
We have given the coach a licence to reset and begin a rebuild of sorts towards the next premiership.

The coach and coaching committee is best placed to know what is required of this rebuild, especially as Scott has been through this process before and (presumably) learnt from the mistakes he made last time.

You calling for all the old/useless players to be dropped for a "true" rebuild is based on a flawed hypothesis that young players development only requires game time. This is flat out false, and has been shown time and time again by perennial underachievers like Melbourne and Carlton who are STILL SHIT, 15 years later.

Other teams like Sydney and Geelong have shown how bringing in kids into an older team that already has all the gameplans, structures etc set up fast tracks the development of their youth.
There is no point in bringing in ALL the kids at once and then having other teams cut us up like we were playing witches hats all game. They will not learn by us being on the end of 100 point smashings.

What is happening at the moment, while really frustrating for the supporters, is actually the best case scenario. We are being competitive whilst still notching up the losses we need to get some talent in the draft this year.

Scott is not to be judged on a weekly win loss. He should be judged at the end of the year based on how the youth are progressing.

Save your bile till then. I'm sure you can think of another topic to post about if you try really hard.

Edit: Pretty sure we won an intraclub in Feb, must be embarrassing to be that wrong ;):oops:
 

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We have given the coach a licence to reset and begin a rebuild of sorts towards the next premiership.

The coach and coaching committee is best placed to know what is required of this rebuild, especially as Scott has been through this process before and (presumably) learnt from the mistakes he made last time.

You calling for all the old/useless players to be dropped for a "true" rebuild is based on a flawed hypothesis that young players development only requires game time. This is flat out false, and has been shown time and time again by perennial underachievers like Melbourne and Carlton who are STILL SHIT, 15 years later.

Other teams like Sydney and Geelong have shown how bringing in kids into an older team that already has all the gameplans, structures etc set up fast tracks the development of their youth.
There is no point in bringing in ALL the kids at once and then having other teams cut us up like we were playing witches hats all game. They will not learn by us being on the end of 100 point smashings.

What is happening at the moment, while really frustrating for the supporters, is actually the best case scenario. We are being competitive whilst still notching up the losses we need to get some talent in the draft this year.

Scott is not to be judged on a weekly win loss. He should be judged at the end of the year based on how the youth are progressing.

Save your bile till then. I'm sure you can think of another topic to post about if you try really hard.
 

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Having a reputation as a sporting organisation of seeing out contracts and not sacking coaches but working with them in transitioning out is not a bad thing.
Yes this is true and makes North look like a good place for employment for future players, coaches or staff.

Tell u what though i've heard various people in the media say Clarkson is unsackable with his credits and for a while i believed it.
But no credits could help him when they were smashed two weeks in a row and the heat on the club was huge.
He has fired back a few shots at the media after a win and i'm not saying they will sack him he is a genius.
But no one is safe once the media turn the heat up and points out glaringly obvious weaknesses.

If them losses continued at Hawks Clarkson was gone regardless of credits and contract. Just like we have seen with numerous AFL coaches over the years.
Now our close losses and out of form seniors are getting abit of heat. And it's about bloody time.
 

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I'm not allowed to discuss USER=169140]StiffArm[/USER].

Given a license to Scott to reset?

Comparing to Cats and Swans?

Please.
Just the facts.
We have given Scott a licence to reset. That is evidenced by his contract extension (which we didn't have to do).

The approach by the cats and swans over the last 10 years has been to bring kids into environments with lots of senior players. This has resulted in better development of their kids than teams that brought kids into teams with very few senior players (Melbourne and Carlton).

One approach has worked a lot better than the other.

You would be allowed to discuss if you kept it rational.
 

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We have given the coach a licence to reset and begin a rebuild of sorts towards the next premiership.

The coach and coaching committee is best placed to know what is required of this rebuild, especially as Scott has been through this process before and (presumably) learnt from the mistakes he made last time.

You calling for all the old/useless players to be dropped for a "true" rebuild is based on a flawed hypothesis that young players development only requires game time. This is flat out false, and has been shown time and time again by perennial underachievers like Melbourne and Carlton who are STILL SHIT, 15 years later.

Other teams like Sydney and Geelong have shown how bringing in kids into an older team that already has all the gameplans, structures etc set up fast tracks the development of their youth.
There is no point in bringing in ALL the kids at once and then having other teams cut us up like we were playing witches hats all game. They will not learn by us being on the end of 100 point smashings.

What is happening at the moment, while really frustrating for the supporters, is actually the best case scenario. We are being competitive whilst still notching up the losses we need to get some talent in the draft this year.

Scott is not to be judged on a weekly win loss. He should be judged at the end of the year based on how the youth are progressing.

Save your bile till then. I'm sure you can think of another topic to post about if you try really hard.

Edit: Pretty sure we won an intraclub in Feb, must be embarrassing to be that wrong ;):oops:
This.
Were also seeing the benefit of this within our own club, with the development of players of players like Dumont and Garner who are playing with real confidence and swagger now because they weren't thrown in the deep end. They were fed senior games here and there then sent back to the VFL with clear directions on facets if the game that they needed to improve. Now they're in the side and they're perfectly equipped to stay there because they didn't have their confidence destroyed. I anticipate seeing the exact same thing happening with Anderson and Clarke.....

This simplistic notion that playing all kids = fastrack premiership is a strategy that's a proven failure.
And what's even more laughable is the way these young North players are placed on a pedestal and portrayed as the second coming of Christ....then 4 posts later the same poster will claim that the club doesn't know how to develop young players....or recruit....

Brad learnt a lot from his first rebuild and is putting those lessons to good use
 

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We have given the coach a licence to reset and begin a rebuild of sorts towards the next premiership.

The coach and coaching committee is best placed to know what is required of this rebuild, especially as Scott has been through this process before and (presumably) learnt from the mistakes he made last time.

You calling for all the old/useless players to be dropped for a "true" rebuild is based on a flawed hypothesis that young players development only requires game time. This is flat out false, and has been shown time and time again by perennial underachievers like Melbourne and Carlton who are STILL SHIT, 15 years later.

Other teams like Sydney and Geelong have shown how bringing in kids into an older team that already has all the gameplans, structures etc set up fast tracks the development of their youth.
There is no point in bringing in ALL the kids at once and then having other teams cut us up like we were playing witches hats all game. They will not learn by us being on the end of 100 point smashings.

What is happening at the moment, while really frustrating for the supporters, is actually the best case scenario. We are being competitive whilst still notching up the losses we need to get some talent in the draft this year.

Scott is not to be judged on a weekly win loss. He should be judged at the end of the year based on how the youth are progressing.

Save your bile till then. I'm sure you can think of another topic to post about if you try really hard.

Edit: Pretty sure we won an intraclub in Feb, must be embarrassing to be that wrong ;):oops:
Great post. It doesn't matter if you are over Scott, the approach that is being taken to introduce youth is the right one. There should be a lot of positivity about our start to the year from a long term perspective. (Particularly if we get a top 2 pick).
 
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