Play Nice Bye bye Brad

[GarnerSmash]

How can you say its clear it doesn't matter who's in charge..what a crock. It's clear to me that some of the coaching staff are the problem and some players also.

But if you think Clarkson or Longmire wouldn't make a difference to these inconsistent performances, you dont know football at all.

Its not crap. The group in its current iteration is infected, its lack of accountability is in its core. There needs to be changes to the playing list, there needs to be a shift. We aint getting a Clarkson to come in and dramatically alter the course of the group so the group needs to change.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Yesterday we had similar numbers in virtually every statistical category except two. Running bounces and inside 50's. 66 inside 50's conceded and 22 running bounces conceeded tells me that we simply coughed up the footy and failed to apply pressure to the GC midfielders and half backs. Complete and utter lack of application.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Maybe. I'll grant your argument for what occurred between 4.30 and 7.30 tonight. But I think most people here are talking bigger picture. Here's what I'm talking about - culture.

Brad Scott has done a lot right for NMFC. But what should nail him to the cross is his failure to develop a successful, winning culture to the playing group. Organisations at all levels succeed and fail on the culture that is inherent to it. And the prime objective of the leaders within an organisation is to generate a successful culture. In a football sense you can gather all the best recruits, facilities, football staff and spend whatever you like in the football department but if the culture isn't right then success will only be fleeting at best.

From where I sit on my comfy leather couch at home or from Aisle 34 at Etihad or wherever, I see a poor culture at NMFC. I see talented players who are too comfortable with their lot as footballers, who get lazy, who aren't pushed for improvement, who are rudderless under pressure, who don't adhere to well communicated instructions, who aren't accountable for poor performance, who have unjustified loyalty placed upon them and who revert to self preservation when the heat is on. Same as any organisation with a poor culture - comfortable, lazy, self-satisfied, lacking assertiveness, unaccountable, individualistic and selfish. That's why we can beat a Top 4 sides but for two years running we've gone up to Queensland and got rolled by the bottom side. It's why we can win finals but show up for Round 1 the next year totally unprepared. I'm hardly on the inner sanctum at NMFC - far from it. But having been in middle-management leadership capacities in my professional life and in sporting organisations, I think I can tell a poor culture when I see it.

Darren Crocker was hardly going to walk into four weeks as the acting-coach and change the culture of this club. Hell, as an assistant coach at NMFC since before Brad Scott even got there, he's actually accountable for it being the way it is. But as the person who has been employed since August 2009 to lead the transformation of NMFC into a successful, winning sporting organisation, it is Brad Scott who must shoulder the blame for the failure in this respect. Whether it was him or Darren Crocker or whoever who gets credited as 'coach' for tonight's shameful performance, the ultimate responsibility for the fact that we can go up there against the bottom team and play like that, and that we've done it before, lies at the senior coach's feet. Unfortunately for Brad, for all his good qualities as a man and as a coach, that's him.

So what gets done about it? Sadly a poor culture is like a cancer. You just can't 'fix it'. All the symptoms that I mentioned earlier just don't go away. For too many involved that's all they've ever known or what they've become accustomed to. The leader might decide to change his/her ways but the longer they've allowed it to take root then the harder it is for them to dig it out. Instead, the 'cancerous' elements need to be eliminated to put it bluntly. In the context of NMFC that would be players, football staff, board members and those who allowed a poor culture to fester. I hate to say it because I truly believe he is a good man who has put his soul into NMFC, but that means that Brad Scott can't continue beyond this year as senior coach. Unfortunately a good culture makes hard and honest decisions...I wonder if those whose responsibility it is to make such decisions are part of the poor culture at NMFC?

Anyway. That's what I reckon for what it's worth. Of course changing a culture takes a long time. So does rebuilding a football list. So I think that we're further away from where we want to be than we've been since Laidley was coach. Grim times.

Spot on. Absolutely cracking and balanced post.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

Sad to say I'm finally jumping on this bandwagon. The buck stops with Brad. Recruiting Waite has been the final nail in the coffin. Gibson getting games when he applies no defensive pressure and is as slow as a turtle. Tarrant still here after 8 years is an indictment on how low this football club has sunk under Brad.
BYE BYE BRAD.
Tough decisions to be made at end of this year. Need to delist or trade out a minimum of 8 players.
Grima, Firrito, Gibson, Tarrant, McMahon, McKenzie and Adams would be a good start.
Wells unfortunately due to injury.
Waite just pay out his contract and thanks for nothing.

Need to invest in the draft again. Forget free agency until we are seriously ready to challenge again.

Exactly. Too many players are gifted games every week because they know they wont be dropped. Top coaches just don't coach and select players like this.

I can not see how he can last this season. This was the full stop to 6 years of planning. A good man, but his culture and ethos have festered, and delivered a soft, unmotivated, unaspiring football club. The proof is simple.

This club needs to get back to being a passionate, success driven organisation. A start would be to appoint a figure who will stand up, wear his heart on his sleeve, and breed life into this list. Our emotionless employees need to start feeling the difference agony and exctasy (no not that one Ryan), and do everything they can to feel the greatness of success.

I wouldn't mind seeing David King get a crack. Excellent communicator, knows the football club more than most.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

Its not crap. The group in its current iteration is infected, its lack of accountability is in its core. There needs to be changes to the playing list, there needs to be a shift. We aint getting a Clarkson to come in and dramatically alter the course of the group so the group needs to change.

It is crap. Clearly we're not getting a Clarkson but if you think another top coach wouldn't make a difference the dribble is apparent.

Yes the leadership in the team is shocking and there are way too many passengers, but thats because players are gifted games which is a direct result of the coaching staff picking them everyweek.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

You only need to look at the Bulldogs on how much a coach can make a difference. They dropped senior players early in the year due to them not playing and giving effort when it was required. That mentality permeates throughout the whole team and thus the performances have been very consistent all year. This from a team that was close to favourite for the wodden spoon if not favourite.

 

[Horizons_00]

Maybe. I'll grant your argument for what occurred between 4.30 and 7.30 tonight. But I think most people here are talking bigger picture. Here's what I'm talking about - culture.

Brad Scott has done a lot right for NMFC. But what should nail him to the cross is his failure to develop a successful, winning culture to the playing group. Organisations at all levels succeed and fail on the culture that is inherent to it. And the prime objective of the leaders within an organisation is to generate a successful culture. In a football sense you can gather all the best recruits, facilities, football staff and spend whatever you like in the football department but if the culture isn't right then success will only be fleeting at best.

From where I sit on my comfy leather couch at home or from Aisle 34 at Etihad or wherever, I see a poor culture at NMFC. I see talented players who are too comfortable with their lot as footballers, who get lazy, who aren't pushed for improvement, who are rudderless under pressure, who don't adhere to well communicated instructions, who aren't accountable for poor performance, who have unjustified loyalty placed upon them and who revert to self preservation when the heat is on. Same as any organisation with a poor culture - comfortable, lazy, self-satisfied, lacking assertiveness, unaccountable, individualistic and selfish. That's why we can beat a Top 4 sides but for two years running we've gone up to Queensland and got rolled by the bottom side. It's why we can win finals but show up for Round 1 the next year totally unprepared. I'm hardly on the inner sanctum at NMFC - far from it. But having been in middle-management leadership capacities in my professional life and in sporting organisations, I think I can tell a poor culture when I see it.

Darren Crocker was hardly going to walk into four weeks as the acting-coach and change the culture of this club. Hell, as an assistant coach at NMFC since before Brad Scott even got there, he's actually accountable for it being the way it is. But as the person who has been employed since August 2009 to lead the transformation of NMFC into a successful, winning sporting organisation, it is Brad Scott who must shoulder the blame for the failure in this respect. Whether it was him or Darren Crocker or whoever who gets credited as 'coach' for tonight's shameful performance, the ultimate responsibility for the fact that we can go up there against the bottom team and play like that, and that we've done it before, lies at the senior coach's feet. Unfortunately for Brad, for all his good qualities as a man and as a coach, that's him.

So what gets done about it? Sadly a poor culture is like a cancer. You just can't 'fix it'. All the symptoms that I mentioned earlier just don't go away. For too many involved that's all they've ever known or what they've become accustomed to. The leader might decide to change his/her ways but the longer they've allowed it to take root then the harder it is for them to dig it out. Instead, the 'cancerous' elements need to be eliminated to put it bluntly. In the context of NMFC that would be players, football staff, board members and those who allowed a poor culture to fester. I hate to say it because I truly believe he is a good man who has put his soul into NMFC, but that means that Brad Scott can't continue beyond this year as senior coach. Unfortunately a good culture makes hard and honest decisions...I wonder if those whose responsibility it is to make such decisions are part of the poor culture at NMFC?

Anyway. That's what I reckon for what it's worth. Of course changing a culture takes a long time. So does rebuilding a football list. So I think that we're further away from where we want to be than we've been since Laidley was coach. Grim times.

Re-quoting this masterpiece

Is there actually a way we can get this out to the public

/desperatemeasures

 

[Hazey1977]

Maybe. I'll grant your argument for what occurred between 4.30 and 7.30 tonight. But I think most people here are talking bigger picture. Here's what I'm talking about - culture.

Brad Scott has done a lot right for NMFC. But what should nail him to the cross is his failure to develop a successful, winning culture to the playing group. Organisations at all levels succeed and fail on the culture that is inherent to it. And the prime objective of the leaders within an organisation is to generate a successful culture. In a football sense you can gather all the best recruits, facilities, football staff and spend whatever you like in the football department but if the culture isn't right then success will only be fleeting at best.

From where I sit on my comfy leather couch at home or from Aisle 34 at Etihad or wherever, I see a poor culture at NMFC. I see talented players who are too comfortable with their lot as footballers, who get lazy, who aren't pushed for improvement, who are rudderless under pressure, who don't adhere to well communicated instructions, who aren't accountable for poor performance, who have unjustified loyalty placed upon them and who revert to self preservation when the heat is on. Same as any organisation with a poor culture - comfortable, lazy, self-satisfied, lacking assertiveness, unaccountable, individualistic and selfish. That's why we can beat a Top 4 sides but for two years running we've gone up to Queensland and got rolled by the bottom side. It's why we can win finals but show up for Round 1 the next year totally unprepared. I'm hardly on the inner sanctum at NMFC - far from it. But having been in middle-management leadership capacities in my professional life and in sporting organisations, I think I can tell a poor culture when I see it.

Darren Crocker was hardly going to walk into four weeks as the acting-coach and change the culture of this club. Hell, as an assistant coach at NMFC since before Brad Scott even got there, he's actually accountable for it being the way it is. But as the person who has been employed since August 2009 to lead the transformation of NMFC into a successful, winning sporting organisation, it is Brad Scott who must shoulder the blame for the failure in this respect. Whether it was him or Darren Crocker or whoever who gets credited as 'coach' for tonight's shameful performance, the ultimate responsibility for the fact that we can go up there against the bottom team and play like that, and that we've done it before, lies at the senior coach's feet. Unfortunately for Brad, for all his good qualities as a man and as a coach, that's him.

So what gets done about it? Sadly a poor culture is like a cancer. You just can't 'fix it'. All the symptoms that I mentioned earlier just don't go away. For too many involved that's all they've ever known or what they've become accustomed to. The leader might decide to change his/her ways but the longer they've allowed it to take root then the harder it is for them to dig it out. Instead, the 'cancerous' elements need to be eliminated to put it bluntly. In the context of NMFC that would be players, football staff, board members and those who allowed a poor culture to fester. I hate to say it because I truly believe he is a good man who has put his soul into NMFC, but that means that Brad Scott can't continue beyond this year as senior coach. Unfortunately a good culture makes hard and honest decisions...I wonder if those whose responsibility it is to make such decisions are part of the poor culture at NMFC?

Anyway. That's what I reckon for what it's worth. Of course changing a culture takes a long time. So does rebuilding a football list. So I think that we're further away from where we want to be than we've been since Laidley was coach. Grim times.

Well put MM.

As a club, since our victory of staying in Melbourne, it's almost like we were exhausted by the fight and have accepted just being in the league as success.

As more and more of us are realizing, we need a top down tidy up to get this acceptance of mediocrity out. The board, coaches, players, everyone.

 

[GarnerSmash]

It is crap. Clearly we're not getting a Clarkson but if you think another top coach wouldn't make a difference the dribble is apparent.

Yes the leadership in the team is shocking and there are way too many passengers, but thats because players are gifted games which is a direct result of the coaching staff picking them everyweek.

If we had a larger group of young players and weren't relying on a more senior group i would likely agree. But too many have been able to do the same thing for too long thst they likely need more than just a new voice.

 

[royals1922]

Losing is one thing. Teams lose, some more often than others.

But NM are specialists of the 10 goal loss, that horrific chart that looks like a himalayan landscape.

4 or 5 times a year. That is on the coaching, pure and simple. If you do not believe there is a consequence as a result of losing by 10 goals, you don't care if it happens.

 

[shintemaster]

If we had a larger group of young players and weren't relying on a more senior group i would likely agree. But too many have been able to do the same thing for too long thst they likely need more than just a new voice.

New career's perhaps?

 

[Deadeyeroo]

If we had a larger group of young players and weren't relying on a more senior group i would likely agree. But too many have been able to do the same thing for too long thst they likely need more than just a new voice.

No doubt more is needed than just coaching staff. Its clear that some players need to be moved on also. Who made the decision to keep Nahas and Warren on the list? Harsh on Nahas I know but in all the games we have been mediocre he is another gone missing.

Dont forget when you keep a guy on the list you risk losing a potential superstar in the draft. Even 200 game players can be picked up with late picks.

 

[hotham]

If Brad was approached by Carlton or Adelaide would you let him go?

H10, Are you doing a poll on this question ?

 

[Rooboy 96]

When does JB finish up? Is this year his last?
I feel only when he is gone, changes will be made.

don't go disrespecting the man that save our club from no longer existing.

 

[hotham]

You only need to look at the Bulldogs on how much a coach can make a difference. They dropped senior players early in the year due to them not playing and giving effort when it was required. That mentality permeates throughout the whole team and thus the performances have been very consistent all year. This from a team that was close to favourite for the wodden spoon if not favourite.

I have to agree that the coach sets the scene.

 

[royals1922]

I see Crocker as a company man whose job while Brad was away to analyse the list, coaches and the interaction between the two.

That loss would have been as instructive to him in his head coach role as anyone else. It also would have some impact as to whether Scott coaches next year.

 

[wallaby1]

If we had a larger group of young players and weren't relying on a more senior group i would likely agree. But too many have been able to do the same thing for too long thst they likely need more than just a new voice.

 

[wallaby1]

it is clear the players dont play for the coaching group.when you are gifted games or not dropped for not performing the rot sets in.
time for a clean out from the top down

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Yesterday we had similar numbers in virtually every statistical category except two. Running bounces and inside 50's. 66 inside 50's conceded and 22 running bounces conceeded tells me that we simply coughed up the footy and failed to apply pressure to the GC midfielders and half backs. Complete and utter lack of application.

But this isn't new. Have you not watched teams go one end to the other against us for the last five years? Even when we win teams do it because we are appalling without the footy.

 

[archereleven]

It simply hurts being in this position after a 6 year build.

Snake oil salesman is our Bard.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

But this isn't new. Have you not watched teams go one end to the other against us for the last five years? Even when we win teams do it because we are appalling without the footy.

Exactly. This is a direct result of the coaching staff not implementing and setting high enough standards for every player on the field. And when those standards arent met they don't implement consequences.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Re-quoting this masterpiece

Is there actually a way we can get this out to the public

/desperatemeasures

Marstermind has crystallised all that is wrong. So true brother - we all know what the answer is - fish stinks from the top... I mean Brad

 

[Marstermind]

It simply hurts being in this position after a 6 year build.

Snake oil salesman is our Bard.

Here's something to cheer you up...three of the Top 4 coaches in the AFL

 

[shintemaster]

don't go disrespecting the man that save our club from no longer existing.

I don't see any disrespect in that.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Exactly. This is a direct result of the coaching staff not implementing and setting high enough standards for every player on the field. And when those standards arent met not implementing consequences.

No shit.

But bringing in A Clarkson aint gonna fix it. Blokes are going to need to be moved on too.