Bye Bye Jack

[Optimax]

Wont make it as a main defender, just cant turn off the straight without falling down, every single bloody time.

Also doesn't seem to have the highest footy smarts when coming out of defence either, in short not much confidence with Jack back

 

[Optimax]

Also yeah, what was up with the sack? With Harry shut down he had to stand up and well didnt

 

[Helfarch]

Lets see how the Hawthorne game goes before we sack anyone OK?

It was a pretty bad game but like Maxwell said, in the past it would have been a loss.

There were some good points. Jolly worked his arse off, Blair was good again, Ball continued his tackle happy form, we were down and inaccurate and still won, when Adelaide had to score they couldn't do it, more shots at goal, Maxwell worked hard and lead by example.

We are the minor premier and should get one of the easiest finals games first up, lighten up.

 

[rose jam]

Yeah out of his depth at this level in the backline. but there was one worse - Tyson Goldsack. WTF was up with him last night, just error after error. One week off didn't do him any favours, hope he gets it back next week.

Without a doubt we need to be playing our finals team next week and come back with that steeley effort

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Trade bait.

 

[FIGJAM]

Watching the replay now, and I have NFI what his detractors are on about.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He wasnt that bad, but we have no spot for him in our future plans.

 

[FIGJAM]

There's always room for a swingman.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Normally I'd agree but with two new clubs coming in we are forced to lose a player anyway. He is surplus to requirements and should be offered to GC where he'd get more opportunity.

 

[notorious_zhang]

I've gone through my criticisms before, and they still stand valid. Pointing out age and past achievements counts for nothing. Otherwise Mark McGough would never have been delisted.

I disagree, the fact that he's only 22 as a key position player means he still has a long way to go before reaching his "potential".

The fact that he kicked 50 goals gives you a basic idea of his potential.

We talking about the same guy here?

Kicked 50 goals in '09 including the semi final sealer?

Completely outpointed his opponent last night playing as a key defender?

22 years old?

TBH these are all very good however he has been horrible all year up forward. I didn't see how he went last night but the criticism of him going to ground a lot is something I noticed a long time ago.

Normally I'd agree but with two new clubs coming in we are forced to lose a player anyway. He is surplus to requirements and should be offered to GC where he'd get more opportunity.

I'd prefer giving away Ryan Cook, I still think Jack Anthony has a lot of potential and his weaknesses can be easily fixed.

 

[Invigoration]

Watching the replay now, and I have NFI what his detractors are on about.

Let's be honest, his detractors made about their mind about his game long before he ran out last night.

I watched the replay as well and he continually outpointed Walker in the air and his intensity on the ground in regards to tackling and chasing was just as good as any of our defenders.

It doesn't seem the people knocking him in here can actually cite any incidents where he was beaten, they just yell about how bad he was and then slink off into the dark when you press them for more details.

The free kick is about the only incident raised, and it was the more the fault of the players up field (specifically Swan who was Rielly's directed opponent) who allowed Reilly to have a couple of bounces uninhibited down the wing and pump the ball into an 1 v 1 deep in the Crow's forward line. And the free itself was contentious at best looking at the replay this morning, Walker was actually holding Anthony's arms in more than Anthony was holding him. It wouldn't have even been paid if the umpire was on the other side of the contest.

Kept his feet in most aerial contests as well just looking at the replay, it's when the ball hits the deck and he over commits the body that he goes to ground.

He'd be well down the pecking order of problems to come from last night

 

[daics_35]

Jack was terrible, i never ever wanna see him in the backline again he got absouloutly pantsed yesterday.

 

[MagpieJoel]

We should keep Jack. He needs a full pre-season (something he didn't have this year) before we can judge him. THe kid has potential, we know this because we've seen it. Don't write him off yet.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Jack was terrible, i never ever wanna see him in the backline again he got absouloutly pantsed yesterday.

This post is bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

He broke even if anything. His decision making is a little slow, but he hit targets more often than not when coming out of the backline.

The bloke has never played an entire senior game in the backline and he gets pathetic posts like this. Give him time.

 

[buzzbuzz]

Same thing happened with Ben Reid. I would continually tell friends/family that he was playing well in the VFL and they'd all laugh it off saying he would never make it. Then he played a couple games this year and they pointed out every mistake.

Now who's had the last laugh?

Just a mindset thing, some people are determined to dislike a player to prove themselves right.

 

[Go Pies!!!!!]

Jack was terrible, i never ever wanna see him in the backline again he got absouloutly pantsed yesterday.

You are kidding!!! Jack broke even at worst thought(like was posted b4) he goes to ground to easily but he did ok.

The only problem i had with Jack's game was trying to kick a goal from 70 out.

Wasn't the worst tonight but wont play down back again this year unless we have a few injuries.

 

[brockbruiser]

Seriously how about we get behind our players FFS. Im sick of this slandering!

There was nothing wrong with how Anthony played, people are just attributing the close match towards Anthony. He played well in defense and mind you hasn't spent a great deal of time at AFL level in defense so i thought he did a terrific job. The whole side was down tonight and obviously the conditions (Humidity) made kicking difficult and skills were thus effected.

Seriously Adelaide can play too, they beat Geelong didn't they!!!

Lets get behind our boys, and cut this crap out, like "BYE BYE Jack"

Seriously there is reasons leandavies21 why people like you are not in charge of our football club!!! And whats with the hate for Anthony, last year he was our leading goal scorer and everyone was behind him?? Sure he hasn't been able to make a spot in the team, but Dawes has taken his position, who has been playing reasonable football!!!

 

[Jonno_]

Let's be honest, his detractors made about their mind about his game long before he ran out last night.

I watched the replay as well and he continually outpointed Walker in the air and his intensity on the ground in regards to tackling and chasing was just as good as any of our defenders.

It doesn't seem the people knocking him in here can actually cite any incidents where he was beaten, they just yell about how bad he was and then slink off into the dark when you press them for more details.

The free kick is about the only incident raised, and it was the more the fault of the players up field (specifically Swan who was Rielly's directed opponent) who allowed Reilly to have a couple of bounces uninhibited down the wing and pump the ball into an 1 v 1 deep in the Crow's forward line. And the free itself was contentious at best looking at the replay this morning, Walker was actually holding Anthony's arms in more than Anthony was holding him. It wouldn't have even been paid if the umpire was on the other side of the contest.

Kept his kept in most aerial contests as well just looking at the replay, it's when the ball hits the deck and he over commits the body that he goes to ground.

He'd be well down the pecking order of problems to come from last night

The Kurt Tippet goal in the third quarter was his fault. Scott Thompson kicked it into the forward line and Jack put one weak hand up, not to spoil, not to mark, but in an effort that looked like he was trying to bring it down for a crumber. Everyone knows if you go at the contest, as a defender, you have to make an impact. You put your fist through the ball, or you take the mark. You don't do half-half. Half-half costs goal. The free kick is an another example of just no defensive nous. It may come, but for now it isn't there.

Also, television replays flatter people. It makes weak efforts at the ball look better and does not show the entire ground. It also makes harder efforts at the ball and real, genuine vision look less average. I genuinely do not believe you could have gone to the game and come out thinking that Jack played well, 'cos he quite simply didn't. I'm not writing him off, and I like the kid. But this reminds me of Liverpool fans backing Lucas. Lucas is O.K, and you can go on about how long and moments of mediocrity, but does he really cut the grade, in that position, at this stage of the season, at this stage of his career? No.

 

[duke79]

Seriously how about we get behind our players FFS. Im sick of this slandering!

There was nothing wrong with how Anthony played, people are just attributing the close match towards Anthony. He played well in defense and mind you hasn't spent a great deal of time at AFL level in defense so i thought he did a terrific job. The whole side was down tonight and obviously the conditions (Humidity) made kicking difficult and skills were thus effected.

Seriously Adelaide can play too, they beat Geelong didn't they!!!

Lets get behind our boys, and cut this crap out, like "BYE BYE Jack"

Seriously there is reasons leandavies21 why people like you are not in charge of our football club!!! And whats with the hate for Anthony, last year he was our leading goal scorer and everyone was behind him?? Sure he hasn't been able to make a spot in the team, but Dawes has taken his position, who has been playing reasonable football!!!

I'm behind all of them except Jack. We never play well when he's in the side.

 

[Bay Pie]

I'm behind all of them except Jack. We never play well when he's in the side.

I assume you have forgoten about 2009.

JA did his job. There were many worse players last night. I'm confused why anyone would single out JA.

JA & Nate both did solid/good jobs on their opponents. Both guys were left one-on-one with their direct opponents with the ball coming in fairly regularly and they held firm.

The Crows kicked 7 goals. Don't go blaming our backmen.

Goldy was easily WOG.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

There's always room for a swingman.

Yes, but I'm not sure we can get away with playing a guy who isn't playing well enough in either a forward or defensive position, simply because he has potential to do both. "Swing man" isn't a position on the ground, or a position in the side, it's a convenient way of categorising a player who first and foremost needs to tie down a spot where he can certainly make the grade. I'm not suggesting that JA's game was all that bad, and I certainly don't want to trade him, but the idea of a swing man is a bit too romantic for me.

Same thing happened with Ben Reid. I would continually tell friends/family that he was playing well in the VFL and they'd all laugh it off saying he would never make it. Then he played a couple games this year and they pointed out every mistake.

Now who's had the last laugh?

Not a great comparison though, Reid was drafted later and younger, and has gone right past JA because he is not a Jack-of-all-trades (pardon the pun) but can play at the required level in one position. No doubt a full pre-season will help, but I think for JA to succeed at the Pies he needs to show considerable further development in one position that he can make his own. Then maybe look at playing him as an Adam Hunter/Brian Lake type swing man as FIGJAM mentions.

 

[daics_35]

You are kidding!!! Jack broke even at worst thought(like was posted b4) he goes to ground to easily but he did ok.

The only problem i had with Jack's game was trying to kick a goal from 70 out.

Wasn't the worst tonight but wont play down back again this year unless we have a few injuries.

Your kidding! He got out bodied in every contest yesterday lucky we werent playing Geelong. He was terrible in that position in the VFL and no way did he deserve to get a game yesterday. He will be dropped or Roughead or Franklin will kick a bag on him. I dont hate Jack but he shouldnt be played as a deffender.

 

[esc0bar]

Last year it was Leigh Brown and this year Anthony. The boy can play trust me just give him time.

 

[Optimax]

Let's be honest, his detractors made about their mind about his game long before he ran out last night.

I watched the replay as well and he continually outpointed Walker in the air and his intensity on the ground in regards to tackling and chasing was just as good as any of our defenders.

It doesn't seem the people knocking him in here can actually cite any incidents where he was beaten, they just yell about how bad he was and then slink off into the dark when you press them for more details.

The free kick is about the only incident raised, and it was the more the fault of the players up field (specifically Swan who was Rielly's directed opponent) who allowed Reilly to have a couple of bounces uninhibited down the wing and pump the ball into an 1 v 1 deep in the Crow's forward line. And the free itself was contentious at best looking at the replay this morning, Walker was actually holding Anthony's arms in more than Anthony was holding him. It wouldn't have even been paid if the umpire was on the other side of the contest.

Kept his feet in most aerial contests as well just looking at the replay, it's when the ball hits the deck and he over commits the body that he goes to ground.

He'd be well down the pecking order of problems to come from last night

In aerial contests yes he was fine, but he tried to turn off the straight he slipped over, walker is hardly an agile footballer but he still kepted his feet more once the ball hit the ground then Jack did.

His confidence ball in hand coming out of defence wasn't flash either

 

[Optimax]

The Kurt Tippet goal in the third quarter was his fault. Scott Thompson kicked it into the forward line and Jack put one weak hand up, not to spoil, not to mark, but in an effort that looked like he was trying to bring it down for a crumber. Everyone knows if you go at the contest, as a defender, you have to make an impact. You put your fist through the ball, or you take the mark. You don't do half-half. Half-half costs goal. The free kick is an another example of just no defensive nous. It may come, but for now it isn't there.

Also, television replays flatter people. It makes weak efforts at the ball look better and does not show the entire ground. It also makes harder efforts at the ball and real, genuine vision look less average. I genuinely do not believe you could have gone to the game and come out thinking that Jack played well, 'cos he quite simply didn't. I'm not writing him off, and I like the kid. But this reminds me of Liverpool fans backing Lucas. Lucas is O.K, and you can go on about how long and moments of mediocrity, but does he really cut the grade, in that position, at this stage of the season, at this stage of his career? No.

Good post Jonno

No one should be writing him off, but last night he was hardly good