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In 2016, our list ranked 1st in age average (25.2 years), ranked first in avg games (90.8). Everyone knows how much we struggled even with that much experience out there. (2016 being an outlier due to injuries, but the previous seasons had those issues regardless)

I even went back and had a look at when Brad took over. He had a difficult job too trying to find young draftees to support the senior players he had. In 2010, avg age rank was 16th (22.6 yrs) and our avg experience rank was 15th (43.0 games).

In 2021, when Noble took over, we ranked 17th for avg age (23.6 years) and 14th for avg games (56.8 games).

In 2022, we still currently rank 17th for avg age (23.7 years) and after delisting guys going nowhere, dropped to 15th in avg games (57.5).

Gotta give Noble a chance to build up the list as it clearly needs a lot of work and it actually needs a lot more experienced guys out there. Whether that comes from the current young players or mature age recruits.

The non-negotiable should be effort. If players aren't up to it, we will keep trying to find the right mix.
 
pupstar said:
I am not sure it is as simple as that Tas. If that is the case why do all clubs now have specialist coaches left right and centre. If it is as simple as get the footy give it to a team mate kick it through the big sticks etc etc we all could be playing AFL but there is only a small percentage that make it to AFL level. Ask any player or x player there thoughts on just how hard it is to not just make it and play 1 game but be successful as well. Why are some coaches far better than others if it is such a easy game to play if its just a matter of get ball kick ball through the big sticks anyone can relay that message.
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Yeah, it is a lot more complex than what I said to be a premiership team. However, if you can't do the basics, which include the things I said, then everything else doesn't count for spit. If you have a group capable of putting pressure on like we did against the Swans but CHOOSE to put pressure on like we did against the Bears periodically, or like we did against the other teams we played this year prior to the Bears game, then we will never get anywhere no matter if you surround them with the best coaching staff of all time.

There are certain standards players need to strive for and it has to be lead by the players, from them individually and from them as a group.

No, not everyone can play footy at this standard. It requires physical attributes that the vast majority of the population do not have, but the cream of the crop tend to get outplayed by amateur grade footballers before they mature, it takes a freak like JHF to be able to compete with mature amateurs. So talent and natural attributes are not enough, you have to work hard, you need to have the hunger to succeed. You need to be someone your teammates around you can trust and rely on. A big part of maturing as a group is not just the physical maturity, but the psychological and mental maturity.

There are a lot of things in footy you can't control, how you approach a game and how you come out and the intensity you play with, that is something you can control and is part of the building blocks of potentially becoming a good player and a good team.
 
amaz199 said:
In 2016, our list ranked 1st in age average (25.2 years), ranked first in avg games (90.8). Everyone knows how much we struggled even with that much experience out there. (2016 being an outlier due to injuries, but the previous seasons had those issues regardless)

I even went back and had a look at when Brad took over. He had a difficult job too trying to find young draftees to support the senior players he had. In 2010, avg age rank was 16th (22.6 yrs) and our avg experience rank was 15th (43.0 games).

In 2021, when Noble took over, we ranked 17th for avg age (23.6 years) and 14th for avg games (56.8 games).

In 2022, we still currently rank 17th for avg age (23.7 years) and after delisting guys going nowhere, dropped to 15th in avg games (57.5).

Gotta give Noble a chance to build up the list as it clearly needs a lot of work and it actually needs a lot more experienced guys out there. Whether that comes from the current young players or mature age recruits.

The non-negotiable should be effort. If players aren't up to it, we will keep trying to find the right mix.
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I think it was just disappointing the way we played, when JHF is out there with 2 games of experience and is pretty much your best player then that is almost a crisis situation.

The reality is the team that fronted last week had an average age of 25years 1month and 82.2 games of experience, the team Melbourne fielded was 25years 2months and 93.9 games of experience, we only fielded 3 more less than 50 game players than Melbourne did. If not injured Cunnington and Anderson would have played.

It is not Noble's fault, but the top end of our list isn't full of stars. Of our top 10 oldest players, only Cunners and Goldy are A grade, the rest are B or below. Nothing wrong with B grade players, but you need more than 2 A grade mature players.

The sad reality is that our supporters do not know if the club is going to rock up for a game and put up a fight or not, we don't field sides as young as we think or like to hope they are, we should be a lot more competitive.
 
Tas said:
I think it was just disappointing the way we played, when JHF is out there with 2 games of experience and is pretty much your best player then that is almost a crisis situation.

The reality is the team that fronted last week had an average age of 25years 1month and 82.2 games of experience, the team Melbourne fielded was 25years 2months and 93.9 games of experience, we only fielded 3 more less than 50 game players than Melbourne did. If not injured Cunnington and Anderson would have played.

It is not Noble's fault, but the top end of our list isn't full of stars. Of our top 10 oldest players, only Cunners and Goldy are A grade, the rest are B or below. Nothing wrong with B grade players, but you need more than 2 A grade mature players.

The sad reality is that our supporters do not know if the club is going to rock up for a game and put up a fight or not, we don't field sides as young as we think or like to hope they are, we should be a lot more competitive.
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Absolutely. The top end A grade problem was and still remains an issue with our list.

We still haven't shaken off the inconsistency which is extremely frustrating.

The stats thing does have holes in how concrete the reasoning is especially when the game day averages could be different. The thing is though from a whole picture standpoint, we really don't have the stocks on every front to slot right in and maintain a level of sustainable consistentcy.

Noble was mentioning (last year) that he wanted a sustainable effort rather than the up and down stuff that continues to haunt us. A good way to start fixing that would be to draft mature age players like we have with Greenwood, then we really have to drive standards every week with the leaders that we have so that when new recruits come, there's an identity to buy into. No matter how talented or footballer our top end is, drive standards. It is all we ask for until we can get the right group of players to get us deep into September and then ultimately, a premiership.
 
A swallow does not make a summer.

Accounting for the odd game where the whole team is 'off' we need to see consistent application of effort throughout the whole season.

I've seen this 'bounce' so many times I'm not being fooled again.

Prove it boys!

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andana said:
www.nmfc.com.au

Why the coach was left with mixed feelings after Swans loss

After North Melbourne's disappointing Round 3 loss to Brisbane, a response against Sydney is what was needed
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From that article, Noble says the decision to move Ziebell forward was purely tactical, however he hinted it could be a long-term solution.

The twist here is that prior to Noble being appointed, Jack was played deep forward and arguably at the time, was becoming the dangerous smaller forward - a great foil for Ben Brown, capable of scrambling a score off the pack, but equally able to take a big grab or kick from 50 from fairly wide angles.

Playuing him as a defender wasn't the best move for him and to an extent, when he's had to match up on somebody that his attributes don't align to, his reputation is diminished (as we saw in the autopsy thread a week back).

Sure, there was a downturn in his forward form in 2020 but he wasn't Robinson Crusoe in that respect.
 
SonofSamsquanch said:
A carousel of coaches is not desirable however the possibility of getting a hard arsed campaigner like Clarkson has to be pursued.

This crap cannot continue as it is
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Unfortunately it will that why I thought Mark Williams a hard arse would have been worth looking at considering what his done for the Red and Blue draft cheats but when that overrated $$$$ hungry grub -Paul Roos is advising the board on how to do things you can see why things are the way there are.
Maybe we can get Tammy Roos to order her husband take the $$$$ North may over him to return since she’s the Boss.
So I’m hoping David Noble can get us up and running in 2022 and beyond so we can get up the ladder.
 

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SonofSamsquanch said:
A carousel of coaches is not desirable however the possibility of getting a hard arsed campaigner like Clarkson has to be pursued.

This crap cannot continue as it is
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True. Some questions need to be asked of Noble. We have legit gone backwards this year not forward.

I know he’s new but momentum is crucial as a footy team and we should see “some” consistency from late last year or some improvements. Even if it’s small. He always said it’s a steady process so is this part of it? Maybe it is?

We look way worse than last year, I can’t see much competitiveness. Hope we haven’t accepted were a bottom team. We need that drive and that desperate need to want to give it our all at all times.

I’m so flat about what I’m watching this year.
 
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I was a little disappointed with his press conference. To specifically say he thought we fought back well and held on well after the first quarter is concerning. The reporter had to remind him me lost by nearly 70 points. We seem to be very ok at the moment with losing. I am not sure that’s a culture that will be easy to shake.
 
The time to take a 'ghl' at Nobes will be the bye this year.

The jury is well and truly out on him as a coach - it's no good trying to gloss over it.

He needs to produce a game plan and a team structure capable of implementing that plan and he is no where near it atm.

We all accept the cattle is not quite there yet - but he needs to be making far better decisions on selection and team structure than he is doing now.

Another 6-8 games will be telling - if we can't see signs of something resembling a game plan - a footprint for how we are going to improve on these performances then questions will have to be asked about his future.
 
shimaburnsgrieg said:
The time to take a 'ghl' at Nobes will be the bye this year.

The jury is well and truly out on him as a coach - it's no good trying to gloss over it.

He needs to produce a game plan and a team structure capable of implementing that plan and he is no where near it atm.

We all accept the cattle is not quite there yet - but he needs to be making far better decisions on selection and team structure than he is doing now.

Another 6-8 games will be telling - if we can't see signs of something resembling a game plan - a footprint for how we are going to improve on these performances then questions will have to be asked about his future.
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100%. The lack of any discernible plan to move the ball is unacceptable, at least without an explanation. I don't care if you're the greatest coach in 1000 years I cannot support that bomb it long to a pack style we have seen since the Laidley years.
 
Horizons_00 said:
Some questions need to be asked of Noble. We have legit gone backwards this year not forward.
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Don't overlook the situation that's evolved with Cunnington (arguably our best player), and then losing the likes of Tarryn Thomas, Jaidyn, Will Phillips, Tom Powell, LDU, Jed, McKay and others to injury/illness this season.

We were already a 'bottom' squad, and there hasn't been a single game yet this season where we've had our 'best 22' fit and healthy at the same time.

The whole "we have legit gone backwards" stuff seriously overlooks the player availability issue.
 

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