Bye Bye Nobles

[Chadwiko]

At least thanks to the power of Artificial Intelligence, we know what the moment will look like when the time comes;

 

[gokangas]

Surely the "read the room and fall on the sword" option is better than the "tap on the shoulder, clean out your desk" option for all concerned, it's not like a large payout is relevant.

I suspect that's the way it will roll.

 

[Horizons_00]

Maybe I'm in the minority on this one, but I strongly disagree that it's on the coach "to get the players to play for each other and the jumper."

As a professional footballer, if you need your coach to motivate you to put in effort, then you're in the wrong business.

It’s very hard to want to put in 100% when you don’t respect or like your boss.

 

[pupstar]

It’s very hard to want to put in 100% when you don’t respect or like your boss.

Then at least have some respect for our jumper regardless if you like or respect the boss. You are not only playing for the coach but also team mates and yourself but most of all the NMFC. No excuses in my book.

 

[King Corey]

Then at least have some respect for our jumper regardless if you like or respect the boss. You are not only playing for the coach but also team mates and yourself but most of all the NMFC. No excuses in my book.

This stuff is nice but it's idealistic. Footballers enter the system when most would be emotionally immature and very few come in with the life perspective to understand the opportunity they've been given. So to simply rely on their innate sense of professionalism is a recipe for disaster.

When you get the odd exception like Scott Thompson or Sam Gibson hitting the AFL system with a solid grounding in the real world under their belt - the difference between their professionalism and the average draftee is stark.

 

[pupstar]

This stuff is nice but it's idealistic. Footballers enter the system when most would be emotionally immature and very few come in with the life perspective to understand the opportunity they've been given. So to simply rely on their innate sense of professionalism is a recipe for disaster.

When you get the odd exception like Scott Thompson or Sam Gibson hitting the AFL system with a solid grounding in the real world under their belt - the difference between their professionalism and the average draftee is stark.

In what way is it a recipe for disaster. So if you dont like the coach it is alright not to put in 100% or am i mistaken.

 

[William Caresser]

Surely the "read the room and fall on the sword" option is better than the "tap on the shoulder, clean out your desk" option for all concerned, it's not like a large payout is relevant.

Probably would be on $500,000? If he walked now, he'd be giving up $250,000 given he's signed for the rest of 2022. It's a lot of $$ for 99% of people.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

In what way is it a recipe for disaster. So if you dont like the coach it is alright not to put in 100% or am i mistaken.

it's way more than that.

yes, the leadership group and others play the role, but coaching is as much man management and fostering a healthy atmosphere as it is tactical. and Noble has clearly failed on both counts this season

A lot of people will argue that Sir Alex Ferguson wasn't a tactical genius but what he had was an incredible ability to get the best out of each and every player that he managed and to create a disciplined team environment where everybody bought in.

they're hard to identify and quantify but it's clear when those things go right and very ****ing clear when they go wrong, as they have here.

It's super ****ing naive to just say 'well, if the players aren't motivated they're in the wrong business.' that's just not the way that professional sport - hell, even amateur sport - works in any sports league in the entire world.

 

[chairo]

Side note - as well as Brady. Does Patch come under scrutiny too?

We actually looked good on the weekend, especially in the first half. We were playing with a system, setting up a defensive zone, moving forward purposely.

 

[William Caresser]

In what way is it a recipe for disaster. So if you dont like the coach it is alright not to put in 100% or am i mistaken.

The good coaches get the best out of players by making them feel confident, playing them in the right positions, giving them a workable gameplan and communicating clearly.

Reckon our players try and have pride in the jumper but are bereft of confidence, don't believe in Noble because he's failed in those areas mentioned above and become dispirited at times. I think that's understandable given the ongoing beltings.

On Noble's communication - he throws lots of footy jargon and cliches into sentences that are virtually meaningless. "Corr's going to go to work down back. "We need to go to work around the contest". The players probably don't have any idea what he's actually talking about and I'm not sure he does either.

 

[apollo_creed]

Really feel for Nobes right now, a good footy person whos legacy will now be this 18 month period at a club who has copped the perfect s**t storm.

Can’t help but think how different the rest of the year would have went if the boys could have just snuck over the line against the Swans in R4.
A win would have justified Nobes’ spray the week earlier and gave the boys a shot of confidence they so clearly need right now.

Nope. We played well that day but at a small ground that suits a side with little to no structure and our forward line set-up and structure was made to look better than it was by 7 goals from free kicks and accurate kicking.

Not doubting it was our best performance of the season but it wouldn’t have made any difference in what followed. We are unfortunately a side who are tactically inept and a structural mess. Spray vs no spray is the least of our issues.

 

[kool kangas]

Surely the "read the room and fall on the sword" option is better than the "tap on the shoulder, clean out your desk" option for all concerned, it's not like a large payout is relevant.

And if Geoff Walsh says " nothing to see hear" all is good with Noble what then?

 

[apollo_creed]

Eh. It's not ALL on the senior coach. Leadership group have to earn their pay too, and for the younger players the development coaches are just as important.

Your last line sounds nice, but we see again and again across the league that it just isn't true. They're still humans. They have s**t going on in their personal lives, they're as susceptible to pressure as anyway, are capable of being unhappy in the workplace, all types of things.

And when Turner and Ziebell have sucked like shit, where has the accountability been for them?

I think the problem for Noble is he is straddling the line of keeping favour with the senior players. The same ones who are playing shit week after week.

He should’ve dropped Turner months ago. My only explanation is that Turner might have quite a bit of pull and favour with the senior guys in the team.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

And if Geoff Walsh says " nothing to see hear" all is good with Noble what then?

I'm going to make a bold prediction......that's not gunna happen.....

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I hate my bosses, but I still put in because I know that my work affects others and it's not just for the management.

If some players hate Noble or he's 'lost them' then it's still fair to question THEIR attitudes and effort, as their actions reflect on the club and affects its supporters.

If they magically start 'trying' under a new coach, then there should be questions about their commitment to the club and its members.

 

[Mordecai]

I'm going to make a bold prediction......that's not gunna happen.....

 

[The Filth Wizard]

At least thanks to the power of Artificial Intelligence, we know what the moment will look like when the time comes;

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I think I've seen him post on Facebook.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

I hate my bosses, but I still put in because I know that my work affects others and it's not just for the management.

If some players hate Noble or he's 'lost them' then it's still fair to question THEIR attitudes and effort, as their actions reflect on the club and affects its supporters.

If they magically start 'trying' under a new coach, then there should be questions about their commitment to the club and its members.

i dont think a professional sports environment is the same as a regular work environment

but also, even if you accept the premise, i'd argue this attitude you're showing is an exception unless it's in a role where people's lives/health relies on you.

there are plenty of people who don't give a shit when they don't buy into what they're doing, what their company does, or if their management are dicks

 

[Waussie]

The Cunners story will be huge & well deserved to be recognised .
This will run us out to season end

Spoke to soon

 

[hilly]

Every player tries. Some really try. Some really really really try. A good coach gets more players to move up from the baseline.

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[Boomerfan99]

Just re-watched Barrasi's 3/4 speech from the 1975 grand final doco. Maybe it was the stirring music in the background, but I reckon I would have run through a brick wall for him that day. That's what I want to see in a coach.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

I've been thinking about this a bit more.

I honestly this "good bloke" rhetoric is being overplayed a bit.

The amount of people saying it's "sad" because "he's a good bloke", "so unlucky", "players aren't there for him" etc etc.

What's bloody sad to me is how pathetic we are playing and how utterly inept he appears at doing his job.

Like I get it, it is disappointing if he's let go and he is in fact a top fella, never nice to see someone try and fail, but really it's irrelevant now to the wider picture.6

I care about winning and the health of our football club.

Noble is actively damaging our future with every day he spends as head coach from now on imo.

If anything he was lucky to be given the opportunity to start with us.

So yeah, i'm a bit over the feel sorry for him stuff if and when we do move on Noble, thank him for his services and lets start a new chapter.

MLC.

ps: King Corey I have a theory on what you have posted which i'll get to.

 

[F_therest]

It's *en hard right. I have been as dead set against getting rid of him as anyone on this board because I think there are still excuses and cards to be played, and that he deserves the opportunity to coach with a full side and everyone marching to the same beat. I like that he sprayed the team, I like that there was fire in the belly and that he seemed to be coming from a ruthless, well developed system in Brisbane. If that was able to be translated to North footy and we could see that improvement then I'd probably keep making a case for him to stay. I very much continue to believe that us going on for our fourth head coach in five years will be a negative rather than a positive. But

Sonja's statement is as clear a shot across Nobles bow as there can be. No discernible improvement. Whack with a capital W. Walsh coming in is absolutely not to give Nobes a wristy and tell him how good he's going. We've seen nothing in the way of structure and nothing in the way of getting better either on an individual level or a team level. We're getting good and finger ducked every week by bad teams. And not just lightly like after 3 pineapple UDLs at a Blue Light Disco, but the other way

It pains me to say it because I think making this move is probably to our detriment. But I think he has to go. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and it's getting harder and harder to refute people who are claiming the players look lost and unclear on their instructions. I want to stay the course, but everything seems to be pointing in one direction

Walsh being part of Carlton's review last year was the best thing that's happened to the club since 1995.

And strap yourselves in...we moved on our CEO and every single coach except a few development coaches. We also changed our president and half the board, but that doesn't apply to North.

Geez it's going to be a tense 4 weeks. How awkward for the likes of Noble/Rawlings/Amafio to be going about their business, conducting meetings etc and having Geoff Walsh sitting in listening and watching intently - with the sole purpose of evaluating your performance.

 

[chairo]

Walsh being part of Carlton's review last year was the best thing that's happened to the club since 1995.

And strap yourselves in...we moved on our CEO and every single coach except a few development coaches. We also changed our president and half the board, but that doesn't apply to North.

Geez it's going to be a tense 4 weeks. How awkward for the likes of Noble/Rawlings/Amafio to be going about their business, conducting meetings etc and having Geoff Walsh sitting in listening and watching intently - with the sole purpose of evaluating your performance.

How long did your review take? I presume it was more extensive than ours will be, as it seems we are only doing the football department.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Many here are going with the “nice guy, feel for him” take. I’m a bit more blunt. Nice guy he most likely is, but that is absolutely irrelevant here. It’s 100% on him to get the players to play for each other and to play for the jumper. The fact they look lost and disinterested falls back on the coach.

If anything this is well overdue. And it must be done well before end of the season to create some space between this train wreck and the new beginning.

Our brand is so damaged now, we are laughing stock of 17 other clubs. This used to be the club where effort isn’t negotiable even with 22 absolute plodders you fight for every inch of the ground. We must get back to that before the damage is irreparable.


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Just read this EH and my apologies, my take on Noble ^ is now very similar quite obviously.

Totally agree with your post, summed it up very well.