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Psicosis said:
IMO the warning signs were there in round 23 last year.

That game showed that despite some good performances in the back end of the year, that we were still miles off.
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Tell me about it.
I just about got run off this board for suggesting as much the week prior.
 

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Danni_Benson said:
Gee Noble handles himself well with the media. Very good under pressure.
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He does but I thought he looked very pale and tired (for good reason I suspect).
 


 
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Robbo: Assassin lurks as Noble’s future teeters​


Mark Robinson



David Noble knows the heat is rising — and a man who has been back at North Melbourne for just three days holds the Roos coach’s future in his hands, Mark Robinson writes.

The burning question being asked is: Will David Noble get sacked or not?

It’s crazy and uncompromising how footy works because the answer to that question is largely in the hands of Geoff Walsh, who’s been back at the club for three days.

Walsh is either an adviser to or an assassin for the North Melbourne board and his discoveries about who and what’s not working in the football department will be known within four weeks.

At the same time, Walsh is not reviewing the chief executive Ben Amarfio. That might also be needed, but that isn’t Walsh’s mandate. Not yet, anyway.

No, Walsh’s mandate is footy. That’s performance, preparation, training, fitness, list management, clubroom morale, communication and overall environment.
And the coach.

Noble’s not stupid, he knows the heat is rising, and he knows Walsh will have the power to play Caesar and give a thumbs up or thumbs down to the coach after those four weeks.

Coaching’s hard enough without having a potential assassin hovering in the foreground, so you've got to feel for Noble.

And is the current predicament mostly Noble’s fault?

Can he really not coach? Can he not communicate as he should? Has he lost the players?

Always at footy clubs, success has a lot of fathers and failure only one, so the current failings cannot all be placed at the feet of Noble.
The expectation on Noble was extreme from the start.

Outgoing North Melbourne chairman Ben Buckley said at Noble’s appointment that he expected the Kangas to be contending within two or three years.
That was said in the pre-season of 2021.

Since then, Noble has won five games, drew another and lost 30.

They ain’t contending this year, or next year, or the next year after that.

Buckley threw Noble under the bus with an extravagant expectation.

Wise heads surely have by now told new president Sonja Hood the green shoots will be flourishing in 2025 or 2026.
Hood’s letter to members this week didn’t augur well for Noble. You couldn’t read it any other way.

“By round 15, with no discernible improvement, patience among our supporters and members is, understandably, wearing thin,’’ Hood wrote.
“We always knew this year would be hard, but the extent of our losses is deeply concerning.”

Noble would’ve read that and probably winced.
Clearly the club’s call for patience has run out of patience.

The club expected pain when they slaughtered their list two years back, but are now saying this is more painful than they thought it would be.

Noble might not be a good coach, but who would be a good coach with injuries, a young list, undeveloped forwards, a patched up defence, overpaid players in the VFL and overpaid players and underperforming players in the seniors?

They have players who are either not good enough, fit enough, fast enough or tough enough.

And Noble is the problem?

He would have his flaws like everyone, but remember, there were potential AFL coaches who knocked back applying for the Kangaroos job because they believed the football department was a problem.

Noble might be the scapegoat.

The AFL is concerned because a poor North Melbourne, a poor any team, affects a multitude of areas, like membership, corporate support, crowds, ratings and blow outs. The AFL despises teams being irrelevant.

That’s why they are now telling clubs long rebuilds are out. Do it better and do it smarter because footy is the business of selling hope.

Noble and the Kangaroos need to be cut some slack, and calm leadership within is required. In around about terms, it took Brisbane six years to rebuild before and with Chris Fagan.

It took Carlton seven years to get to this stage under three coaches.

It took Melbourne from 2014, when Paul Roos was appointed, before the Demons won the flag and Essendon has been rebuilding since Kevin Sheedy left.
Noble is 36 games into his career and already there’s blood in the water.

Footy is a hard game to play with an experienced coach and a good list, let alone coaching a team which shredded its list 18 months ago.

North blew up the joint then and you get the feeling the joint is about to blow up again.

Talk of player unrest isn’t ideal, although Noble has stressed that media folk and their opinions should not be listened to.

Prominent managers contacted yesterday — they have about 15 North players on their books — said there was no issue with their players and the coach.

Another senior club official, however, was adamant forwards Cam Zuhaar and Ben McKay were gettable. That’s understandable, playing forward in that team.

It’s hardly fun.

One player manager said North desperately needed a priority pick.

He believed Will Ashcroft would nominate Brisbane, and North could then swoop on the Oakleigh Chargers boys, George Wardlaw and Elijah Tsatas, two good mates.

It’s wishful thinking, but the manager likens that scenario to Rowell and Anderson at the Suns, and it just might enthuse Jason Horne-Francis enough to form a bond and keep him there.

It all depends if the AFL believes they need an extra pick despite the woes of the list being self-inflicted. Crazy again, but it might be former coach Brad Scott who will decide.

In the meantime, Walsh is looking over Noble’s shoulder on behalf of Hood and the board.

Eighteen months ago, North was adamant it would take the pain as it rebuilt, but we now know that’s not true, which leaves Noble certainly not dead, but vulnerable.
 
Horizons_00 said:
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“Nothing to see here, move on”
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Don’t get me wrong . I’m no fan of Noble at all. In fact I’m 100% at this stage in the “FFS sack Noble now “ camp .
But , I really can’t believe this man after all the crap we have gone thru and You have got to give some small credit where it’s due .,,,
During his weekly presser at Arden st training….
I know he has no other choice , but I really can’t believe the mans ability to ignore pressure , deflect any negativity by the media & his resilience to all the gunfire around him has to be admired .
I mean , if you listen to him talk , you would not know our actual ladder position… you would think we were currently in the 8 FFS ?! 🤦‍♂️
 
Dan said:
Sources are telling me that tomorrow will be Tuesday.
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Your sources are wrong.

Tomorrow will be Thursday.
 
giantroo said:



Robbo: Assassin lurks as Noble’s future teeters​


Mark Robinson



David Noble knows the heat is rising — and a man who has been back at North Melbourne for just three days holds the Roos coach’s future in his hands, Mark Robinson writes.

The burning question being asked is: Will David Noble get sacked or not?

It’s crazy and uncompromising how footy works because the answer to that question is largely in the hands of Geoff Walsh, who’s been back at the club for three days.

Walsh is either an adviser to or an assassin for the North Melbourne board and his discoveries about who and what’s not working in the football department will be known within four weeks.

At the same time, Walsh is not reviewing the chief executive Ben Amarfio. That might also be needed, but that isn’t Walsh’s mandate. Not yet, anyway.

No, Walsh’s mandate is footy. That’s performance, preparation, training, fitness, list management, clubroom morale, communication and overall environment.
And the coach.

Noble’s not stupid, he knows the heat is rising, and he knows Walsh will have the power to play Caesar and give a thumbs up or thumbs down to the coach after those four weeks.

Coaching’s hard enough without having a potential assassin hovering in the foreground, so you've got to feel for Noble.

And is the current predicament mostly Noble’s fault?

Can he really not coach? Can he not communicate as he should? Has he lost the players?

Always at footy clubs, success has a lot of fathers and failure only one, so the current failings cannot all be placed at the feet of Noble.
The expectation on Noble was extreme from the start.

Outgoing North Melbourne chairman Ben Buckley said at Noble’s appointment that he expected the Kangas to be contending within two or three years.
That was said in the pre-season of 2021.

Since then, Noble has won five games, drew another and lost 30.

They ain’t contending this year, or next year, or the next year after that.

Buckley threw Noble under the bus with an extravagant expectation.

Wise heads surely have by now told new president Sonja Hood the green shoots will be flourishing in 2025 or 2026.
Hood’s letter to members this week didn’t augur well for Noble. You couldn’t read it any other way.

“By round 15, with no discernible improvement, patience among our supporters and members is, understandably, wearing thin,’’ Hood wrote.
“We always knew this year would be hard, but the extent of our losses is deeply concerning.”

Noble would’ve read that and probably winced.
Clearly the club’s call for patience has run out of patience.

The club expected pain when they slaughtered their list two years back, but are now saying this is more painful than they thought it would be.

Noble might not be a good coach, but who would be a good coach with injuries, a young list, undeveloped forwards, a patched up defence, overpaid players in the VFL and overpaid players and underperforming players in the seniors?

They have players who are either not good enough, fit enough, fast enough or tough enough.

And Noble is the problem?

He would have his flaws like everyone, but remember, there were potential AFL coaches who knocked back applying for the Kangaroos job because they believed the football department was a problem.

Noble might be the scapegoat.

The AFL is concerned because a poor North Melbourne, a poor any team, affects a multitude of areas, like membership, corporate support, crowds, ratings and blow outs. The AFL despises teams being irrelevant.

That’s why they are now telling clubs long rebuilds are out. Do it better and do it smarter because footy is the business of selling hope.

Noble and the Kangaroos need to be cut some slack, and calm leadership within is required. In around about terms, it took Brisbane six years to rebuild before and with Chris Fagan.

It took Carlton seven years to get to this stage under three coaches.

It took Melbourne from 2014, when Paul Roos was appointed, before the Demons won the flag and Essendon has been rebuilding since Kevin Sheedy left.
Noble is 36 games into his career and already there’s blood in the water.

Footy is a hard game to play with an experienced coach and a good list, let alone coaching a team which shredded its list 18 months ago.

North blew up the joint then and you get the feeling the joint is about to blow up again.

Talk of player unrest isn’t ideal, although Noble has stressed that media folk and their opinions should not be listened to.

Prominent managers contacted yesterday — they have about 15 North players on their books — said there was no issue with their players and the coach.

Another senior club official, however, was adamant forwards Cam Zuhaar and Ben McKay were gettable. That’s understandable, playing forward in that team.

It’s hardly fun.

One player manager said North desperately needed a priority pick.

He believed Will Ashcroft would nominate Brisbane, and North could then swoop on the Oakleigh Chargers boys, George Wardlaw and Elijah Tsatas, two good mates.

It’s wishful thinking, but the manager likens that scenario to Rowell and Anderson at the Suns, and it just might enthuse Jason Horne-Francis enough to form a bond and keep him there.

It all depends if the AFL believes they need an extra pick despite the woes of the list being self-inflicted. Crazy again, but it might be former coach Brad Scott who will decide.

In the meantime, Walsh is looking over Noble’s shoulder on behalf of Hood and the board.

Eighteen months ago, North was adamant it would take the pain as it rebuilt, but we now know that’s not true, which leaves Noble certainly not dead, but vulnerable.
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Once again we shouldn't get help because it was "self-inflicted" but all other priority picks and compensation given to clubs in the past was because they were running like clockwork to get into that position.
 
King Corey said:
Once again we shouldn't get help because it was "self-inflicted" but all other priority picks and compensation given to clubs in the past was because they were running like clockwork to get into that position.
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It’s such a stupid argument.

How’s the comment about speaking to player managers about relationships with players? Hi Robbo, hope all is well. You’re speaking to the wrong managers, or they’re telling you furphies!
 

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disco_cowboy said:
it may be that players have lost motivation and can't understand the changes in game plan - one that our assistants are struggling to teach.
It may be that be that we lost key on-field leadership that is needed to implement the current game plan (Tarrant/Cunnington).
It may be that player support programs have changed or that has been neglected so long that the hens are coming home to roost.
It may be that our player led leadership team are not supported and struggling to motivate the huge amount of young players.

There are so many factors at play is my point
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If Tarrant and Cunnington were in the side this year, at minimum we win against the Hawks and would have got over the line against the Swans.

It doesn’t matter who the coach is, if there’s no on-field leadership then you won’t win games.

That’s a mix of unfortunate injuries and shocking list management.
 
Mav said:
It’s such a stupid argument.

How’s the comment about speaking to player managers about relationships with players? Hi Robbo, hope all is well. You’re speaking to the wrong managers, or they’re telling you furphies!
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Well he has covered of on 15 do you want to check with the rest?
 
Mav said:
You’re speaking to the wrong managers, or they’re telling you furphies!
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Three other options

1. You've been told furphies
2. You're full of shit
3. All of the above
 
Ive just had an epiphany.. yes, it hurt. However. Is it coaching genius to play your prime FB into a forward line position to assist in help learning forward line patterns to make them an unstoppable defender??? This is what ultimately made Maj a good defender (for 1 year) however, if you want to increase the players craft? Is fhat not the best way? … 🤔


The argument against is: we have no forward line patterns. I accept that.. yet playing in forward line you see whats happening up the ground..

🤔
 
RossHenshaw said:
Don’t get me wrong . I’m no fan of Noble at all. In fact I’m 100% at this stage in the “FFS sack Noble now “ camp .
But , I really can’t believe this man after all the crap we have gone thru and You have got to give some small credit where it’s due .,,,
During his weekly presser at Arden st training….
I know he has no other choice , but I really can’t believe the mans ability to ignore pressure , deflect any negativity by the media & his resilience to all the gunfire around him has to be admired .
I mean , if you listen to him talk , you would not know our actual ladder position… you would think we were currently in the 8 FFS ?! 🤦‍♂️
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I thought Noble was straightforward and consistent, Robbo's article was pretty good, essentially saying there is more than enough blame to go around dating back to before Noble came on board, it also highlights that whatever 'we reckon' Noble is not the problem, in the sense that sacking him now is not going to change anything. I'm of a mind to wait and see what Walsh come out with before we start actioning anything, it will be very informative to hear his recommendations.
 

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Dan said:
You're late on Monday's joke.

Unlucky.
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No he is not, tomorrow is a new day and so is the day after that
 
blackshadow said:
Three other options

1. You've been told furphies
2. You're full of s**t
3. All of the above
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Bwhahaha. Didn’t pick you for a Robboite.
 
danj said:
Well he has covered of on 15 do you want to check with the rest?
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Less than half. How hard is for you idiots to not believe there are several, very good players, that don’t like Noble. And when I say don’t like, I mean hate.
 
giantroo said:
One player manager said North desperately needed a priority pick.

He believed Will Ashcroft would nominate Brisbane, and North could then swoop on the Oakleigh Chargers boys, George Wardlaw and Elijah Tsatas, two good mates.
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I’m no list management expert, but FFS Robbo… if we get the number one draft pick and a round 1 PP, and we don’t use either to get at least one elite KPP so we have something approximating AFL standard depth either forward or back, that’s crazy town.
 

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