Bye Bye Nobles

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Is David King trying to help North by saying that he thinks GC should re-sign Stuart Dew, removing 1 club from the chase for Clarkson..

Kingy knows Clarko is the best way out of this mess for the NMFC - anyone with any working knowledge of football and the NMFC knows this as well.

Kingy will do all he can to encourage this best case outcome for us - a true Shinboner.

 

[Themanbun]

Is David King trying to help North by saying that he thinks GC should re-sign Stuart Dew, removing 1 club from the chase for Clarkson..

Dew is admittedly coaching very well atm

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Dew is admittedly coaching very well atm

Dew strikes me as a top bloke.

I wish him well at GC.

 

[krakouers]

Big difference being an assistant coach vs the pressure that comes with being a senior coach despite experience. I wonder how measured and patient he would be back in the hot seat!

True, but I seem to recall that was his strength even back then

 

[SonofSamsquanch]

Kingy knows Clarko is the best way out of this mess for the NMFC - anyone with any working knowledge of football and the NMFC knows this as well.

Kingy will do all he can to encourage this best case outcome for us - a true Shinboner.

Yeah, yeah, yeah!!!!

That was all he heard.

 

[The Big O]

Kingy knows Clarko is the best way out of this mess for the NMFC - anyone with any working knowledge of football and the NMFC knows this as well.

Kingy will do all he can to encourage this best case outcome for us - a true Shinboner.

Like many of us, Kingy was in love with Noble last year when we were competitive.

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[Le Grille]

I don’t get the regular Moneyball references.

Moneyball was the identification of an undervalued metric, on base percentage, which was then exploited through the recruitment process.

It’s not a substitute for ‘cheap’.

Yeah, I've seen it significantly misused when describing our drafting process too when really they're just taking the players they want at the only picks they have.

Don’t get me started

 

[Event Horizon]

The issue is when the team sucks members will vent at the players, then the coach, then specific individuals.

But it usually comes full circle and the coach is the one whose easiest to replace. Except were North Melbourne and not Collingwood. We simply don't have the cash to pay the tax over the soft cap and thats why we wont be sacking Noble or any of his assistants any time soon.

We paid Scott out in installments and his salary was on our books in 2020 I believe. Same with Shaw last year. We just don't do lump sum payouts.
The financial report that gets released at the end of each October every year, so long as we end up in the black, it doesn't matter if its 1 ******* dollar or if its $1million, we don't want to incur any losses.

The only time we ever made a loss was in 2012 when we were going so well but paid some of our rookies that year above what we expected to and thats why we ended up in the red. Other than that this club runs the tightest of ships. Think how budget the membership department is. We cant even afford to pay someone to run our membership twitter page. That's how dire things are.

What it has caused us though is due to the payout to Scott and Shaw we've now neglected the footy department and were scraping by doing the bare minimum. It is literally all hands on deck and thats why Gavin Brown took on more work, thats why Roccas a part timer, thats why Boomer is runner and skills coach, thats why we poached Heath Younie on minimal money - does this all begin to make sense to everyone?

Were hamstrung by our past appointments and duck ups. And before any one of us say we've learnt our lesson, we don't make those mistakes anymore, etc let us all come to terms with the fact were paying Paul Roos valuable coin to check in with us a couple of times a week via Zoom.
As I take a deep breath I can just never get over the conclusion that we have set such an internally low standard and its starting to come out across all parts of the football program. We cant even afford to recruit and pay bigger mature bodies in the VFL to protect out kids or give them someone to kick to.

The journey is going to be long and painful and frustrating. We don't have a voice at board level holding each director to account (thats Sonias job now), the coach cant be moved on and the list is what it is. I don't know how our members can voice their frustrations in the right manner but its looking highly likely we'll just have shut up and back the club in. Which is scary.

The problem is doing nothing will end up costing us more. Drop in membership, sponsorship, game day attendances, lack of corporate hospitality sales, unable to attract assistants and players, unable to retain players etc.

I don’t care about making a loss one year but we have to make some bold moves here and now.

Under the current regime virtually no player is improving. If there is one thing the coach is judged on it’s his ability to get the best out of his players. Don’t have the cattle? Well, you ain’t making finals or winning more than 5-6 games but are we as bad as losing every game by 50+? I’m 100% positive that we aren’t.


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[The acurate one]

Yeah dunno, I really don't. I'd be very uncomfortable if we lost money even for one year. The club has worked hard at being financially viable. And I doubt they'd ever want a year where we came up short financially. Coupled with a poor finish would be a recipe for disaster as the media would attempt to ride us all the way out of town.

As for development I feel it is as much on the individual as it is the club. I think JHF has shown that, the drive to be the best comes from within. Mahony works bloody hard off field to get every last ounce of ability out of himself.

Does TT? Rhetorical question that.

LDU-Has increased his disposal count every year, is down 1 disposal in 2022 on 2021, plenty of time to get that sorted. But what is going to take him to the magical 30 per game disposal numbers? Himself no one else can.

Simpkin - cops a bit on here unfairly in my book, works hard and will get the best out of himself.

Stephenson- Will probably never reach the heights he should, doesn't make him a bad footballer of course.

Then you have; Turner, Anderson, Bosenavulagi, Greenwood, Taylor, Walker, Xerri, Ziebell, Mahony, Lazzaro, probably Scott and Young who all have limited ability. This crash n bash footballer or if you like forward back pressure specialist is total bullshit. Not sure that helps our development.

We have tried to address this with the likes of Perez, Bergman, Goater, Curtis who we see as more your modern day type footballers. FYI all are normally good users of the ball.

Again we play a lot of football on a fast track and much to my chagrin and yours no doubt we've been slow across the park, coupled with not being strong overhead always was a recipe for disaster.

Well see- oh well

 

[ferball]

The problem is doing nothing will end up costing us more. Drop in membership, sponsorship, game day attendances, lack of corporate hospitality sales, unable to attract assistants and players, unable to retain players etc.

I don’t care about making a loss one year but we have to make some bold moves here and now.

Under the current regime virtually no player is improving. If there is one thing the coach is judged on it’s his ability to get the best out of his players. Don’t have the cattle? Well, you ain’t making finals or winning more than 5-6 games but are we as bad as losing every game by 50+? I’m 100% positive that we aren’t.


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The current regime has been here since end of 2020 and since then most of the younger players on the list have improved. A couple of the older ones too.

 

[Event Horizon]

Yeah dunno, I really don't. I'd be very uncomfortable if we lost money even for one year. The club has worked hard at being financially viable. And I doubt they'd ever want a year where we came up short financially. Coupled with a poor finish would be a recipe for disaster as the media would attempt to ride us all the way out of town.

As for development I feel it is as much on the individual as it is the club. I think JHF has shown that, the drive to be the best comes from within. Mahony works bloody hard off field to get every last ounce of ability out of himself.

Does TT? Rhetorical question that.

LDU-Has increased his disposal count every year, is down 1 disposal in 2022 on 2021, plenty of time to get that sorted. But what is going to take him to the magical 30 per game disposal numbers? Himself no one else can.

Simpkin - cops a bit on here unfairly in my book, works hard and will get the best out of himself.

Stephenson- Will probably never reach the heights he should, doesn't make him a bad footballer of course.

Then you have; Turner, Anderson, Bosenavulagi, Greenwood, Taylor, Walker, Xerri, Ziebell, Mahony, Lazzaro, probably Scott and Young who all have limited ability. This crash n bash footballer or if you like forward back pressure specialist is total bullshit. Not sure that helps our development.

We have tried to address this with the likes of Perez, Bergman, Goater, Curtis who we see as more your modern day type footballers. FYI all are normally good users of the ball.

Again we play a lot of football on a fast track and much to my chagrin and yours no doubt we've been slow across the park, coupled with not being strong overhead always was a recipe for disaster.

Well see- oh well

Down to the individual you reckon? Are we saying we have 80% of lazy and unmotivated blokes on our list?

Nobody is talking about compromising financial viability but just like in any business, sometimes you have to take a calculated loss to make a gain the following year. Making the “debt free” factor as the key to our strategy is flawed as we are here to win premierships, and being debt free but last with the worst percentage since Fitzroy is hardly a great achievement. It’s time people realize that repaying the debt was just one of the targets but it doesn’t mean we can’t have some flexibility there.

Importantly, I’m saying that we can’t afford to do nothing. You’re saying a loss coupled with a poor finish would be a recipe for disaster. I would argue that a poor finish coupled with a lack of hope would be a much bigger disaster.




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[Event Horizon]

The current regime has been here since end of 2020 and since then most of the younger players on the list have improved. A couple of the older ones too.

Have they? Please name those who have improved? We’ve gone backwards compared to last season when we were already clearly last. And mid tier players have mostly stagnated or gone backwards. Young players as well.


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[ferball]

Have they? Please name those who have improved? We’ve gone backwards compared to last season when we were already clearly last. And mid tier players have mostly stagnated or gone backwards. Young players as well.


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This regime started at the beginning of last season. nearly every younger player has improved since then tho some of those players have improved naturally and probably would have under any regime.

If you want to say "They've all gone backwards this season."

Go for it.

Then I'll point out the players who haven't and you can pretend that I didn't.

 

[Event Horizon]

This regime started at the beginning of last season. nearly every younger player has improved since then tho some of those players have improved naturally and probably would have under any regime.

If you want to say "They've all gone backwards this season."

Go for it.

Then I'll point out the players who haven't and you can pretend that I didn't.

It’s much easier to list those who have improved as the list is very short. Arguably it’s just Xerri and Scott. I don’t count McKay as his improvement came before Noble took over.




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[The acurate one]

Down to the individual you reckon? Are we saying we have 80% of lazy and unmotivated blokes on our list?

Nobody is talking about compromising financial viability but just like in any business, sometimes you have to take a calculated loss to make a gain the following year. Making the “debt free” factor as the key to our strategy is flawed as we are here to win premierships, and being debt free but last with the worst percentage since Fitzroy is hardly a great achievement. It’s time people realize that repaying the debt was just one of the targets but it doesn’t mean we can’t have some flexibility there.

Importantly, I’m saying that we can’t afford to do nothing. You’re saying a loss coupled with a poor finish would be a recipe for disaster. I would argue that a poor finish coupled with a lack of hope would be a much bigger disaster.




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I'm not sure of the % but yes I do believe we have more than our fair share of footballers content to be on an AFL list.

I think we have done plenty, maybe too much. New fitness regime, our third coach inside three years. New assistant coaches. New admin , new President. Took to our list with a hatchet;


2020

Paul Ahern (del)
Ben Brown (trd)
Joel Crocker (del)
Majak Daw (del)
Sam Durdin (del)
Shaun Higgins (trd)
Lachie Hosie (del)
Ben Jacobs (del)
Jamie Macmillan (del)
Tom Murphy (del)
Jasper Pittard (del)
Will Walker (del)*
Ed Vickers-Willis (del)
Marley Williams (del)
Mason Wood (SSP

2021

Taylor Garner
Dom Tyson
Will Walker
Connor Menadue
Shaun Atley
Trent Dumont
Tom Campbell
Charlie Ham
Tarrant (trd)

24 players in two seasons, very brave by us. I am taking on board what you stated and am curious as to what you think we could do? That fyi is not being a smartarse I'm always interested in peoples views.

I enquired about our Pres and was told she likes to be successful and is . And don't like losing. That made me happy I must say.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Saying three coaches inside three years is slightly disingenuous as the first of those was there for the previous 9 years so it’s also 3 coaches in 12 years.

 

[amaz199]

Saying three coaches inside three years is slightly disingenuous as the first of those was there for the previous 9 years so it’s also 3 coaches in 12 years.

I think it's disingenuous to say it's 3 coaches in 12 years because we didn't move them on one after the other in 3-4 year periods.

We changed coach in 2019 and 2020 whilst completely overhauling our football department and playing group.

That's a huge change for a football club and the fact we can still see our young guys playing well or developing regardless is a huge plus.

The only thing we've been let down by is our senior leadership group. Not good enough at all this year.

 

[amaz199]

Senior players should be wearing the brunt of the impact of losing. But I feel like we've been let down by that and the coaches probably feel that too.

An indictment on what was, and still is an issue since Brad came over to us.

 

[Massive Unit]

Down to the individual you reckon? Are we saying we have 80% of lazy and unmotivated blokes on our list?

I think we only have to look at how most of our guys play when they don't have the ball in hand to see whether they are lazy or not. There are far to many that do not chase or put in a token effort resulting in zero pressure on the ball carrier, repeat I50's and an active scoreboard.

 

[The acurate one]

Saying three coaches inside three years is slightly disingenuous as the first of those was there for the previous 9 years so it’s also 3 coaches in 12 years.

Well it is the " bye bye Nobles" thread so it would be 3 in three years or 3/4 in 12. Either way it aint flash.

Hence why I don't think it will happen, but I see your point and it means that Shaw was the error, but if Nobles is moved on, that is catastrophic.

I'd loved to know the average length of an AFL coaches tenure at one club.

 

[The Dingrel]

Kingy knows Clarko is the best way out of this mess for the NMFC - anyone with any working knowledge of football and the NMFC knows this as well.

Kingy will do all he can to encourage this best case outcome for us - a true Shinboner.

No I actually think Kingy is on the money, when Dew came in was the first time they managed to keep the list together without players buggering off (apart from the obvious delistings fk ups),,,,but in terms of keeping a core group of young players together, and only now the benefits of that consistency are starting to show. Rowell and Anderson together etc, the obvious growth of Touk, mids and leadership development post GAJ. They've stayed the path and now reaping the rewards of stability. Personally think North need to hold the line as well.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Nobody is talking about compromising financial viability but just like in any business, sometimes you have to take a calculated loss to make a gain the following year. Making the “debt free” factor as the key to our strategy is flawed as we are here to win premierships, and being debt free but last with the worst percentage since Fitzroy is hardly a great achievement. It’s time people realize that repaying the debt was just one of the targets but it doesn’t mean we can’t have some flexibility there.


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Agree with this.

Not accepting that we need to spend some coin to dig ourselves out of this mess would be the equivalent of the Board's position 10 years ago that 'we can never rebuild...we must always be competitive'.

That Board position 10 years ago is the genesis of the problems we now face - the position was understandable at the time given the circumstances we faced but it was clearly the wrong position to take with the benefit of hindsight.

If the Board were to now double down now and say ...we can never post a loss...whatever we do on field doesn't matter - we can never post a loss.... - would be just as diabolical to our on field future as their position 10 years ago.

No one is talking about losses of millions over consecutive years - however if we need to spend some money to bring in the level of off field expertise required to improve our coaching/skills/conditioning then it must be done.

By the way my understanding is that soft cap problem is a 2022 problem - that once we enter 2023 we are back under control and we will have some flexibility back.

 

[The Dingrel]

Well it is the " bye bye Nobles" thread so it would be 3 in three years or 3/4 in 12. Either way it aint flash.

Hence why I don't think it will happen, but I see your point and it means that Shaw was the error, but if Nobles is moved on, that is catastrophic.

I'd loved to know the average length of an AFL coaches tenure at one club.

Rough and ready calc, its 2.5 years at NMFC since 1925! Pagan and Scott and 10 years, Wally Carter 11 years in 2 seperate stints, Barrassi 8, Laidley 7, Kanga 5, 3 others got 4 years (including Cable), rest of the time a lot of chopping and changing, granted in yesteryear it certainly wasn't a full time, all consuming profession.

 

[tazaa]

The problem is doing nothing will end up costing us more. Drop in membership, sponsorship, game day attendances, lack of corporate hospitality sales, unable to attract assistants and players, unable to retain players etc.

I don’t care about making a loss one year but we have to make some bold moves here and now.

Under the current regime virtually no player is improving. If there is one thing the coach is judged on it’s his ability to get the best out of his players. Don’t have the cattle? Well, you ain’t making finals or winning more than 5-6 games but are we as bad as losing every game by 50+? I’m 100% positive that we aren’t.


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Agree on all points. I just can’t see North wanting to change things up again. We held onto Laidley, Scott for so long we just don’t sack our coaches.
Shaw was a massive * up by the board and he quit. I can’t see us turfing Noble any time soon.

The clubs low profile means these losses by 50 plus each week are irrelevant because no one but us members endures the pain.
Last week we got smashed in the media and it did nothing to stir a turnaround in performance lol
What does that say to you?

We will meander along to the bye and hope when McKay, Hall, Cunnington, Phillips return there is false dawn uplift like last year.

As I said, this club has an addiction to profits. When that final report gets written up so long as we’ve got $100-$500K in the black that all that matters. No matter who we murdered or purged to get there.

 

[rickety]

DN seems a lot more relaxed, like he's been reassured, idk. Not the tense, emotional man from saturdays post much interview.