Bye Bye Nobles

[Shinboner1]

So if it's a question of cattle, why did we low ball Taz again?

If you get rid of your reliable players and keep spuds, then you reap what you sow.

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they weren't up for contract last year

 

[Gasometer]

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Matty doesn’t know why he’s on Instagram? Please

 

[Horace]

There is an old saying, that "Nothing is ever as good as it seems, nor is it ever as bad as it seems" depending on what your perspective is on any particular situation.

And in my opinion we are not as bad as we appeared last night, nor are Brisbane as good as they seemed last night. Nevertheless, barring injuries, when the "whips are cracking" at the end of this season, I suspect Brisbane are going to be right in the thick of it and maybe even win the flag.

The reality is that we were never going to get anywhere near Brisbane last night, especially when we were missing BennyC, Jed - our two toughest onballers, LDU and Tarryn Thomas

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Tarryn Thomas

Age

25

Ht

190cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

5.7

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.3

5star

CL

0.9

3star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

1.3

1star

T

3.2

4star

CL

0.2

2star

D

12.8

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

0.4

3star

. Just being without Cunnington alone, head and shoulders above anyone else on our list as our best player, we have struggled to win games. Then throw in the other three, plus Taz now at Richmond and by golly, they are 5 players that would have made a huge difference last night.

Whether people like it or not, (and clearly here there is not a lot of "like") we are going to see these sorts of blowouts regularly this year and probably next, in what is a massive re-building exercise.

It seems that a lot of people might have got fooled by our better performances in the latter half of last year and have fallen for the trap of thinking we are better than we are. We are not. We won the spoon last year, for a very good reason. We were the worst team in the competition. Last week against a severely depleted WCE, we nearly went under. I formed the conclusion last Sunday that we are right in the hunt for another spoon this year and hey doesn't the name Ashcroft sound okay?

Are we any better this year? Maybe. JHF has added a huge amount to our team, but he alone could not put us back to be as competitive as we would be if we had the aforementioned players all in the team.

Finally I thought I would go back to 2006 and look at Geelong's season, the year before they broke the drought and won the flag in 2007. They had then, a far superior list to ours this year, but they had a very rocky year and Bomber Thompson (sorry that should be *bomber *thompson) was close to losing his job. Things can turn quickly and while we are way off winning a flag, in my opinion we need to be a little patient and suck it up for a while.

2006 Geelong Football Club season - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Uncle_Leo]

So he wasn't lowballed?

He just wanted to leave no matter what?

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We offered him 1, Tigers offered 2 years

If you saw him play today and parts of last year we made the right decision. I love Robbie but with the amount of injuries he has had the end has come quickly

 

[tazaa]

His next 3 weeks will say more about him and his aspiration as a senior coach than any other block of games will.

Minus Jed, Thomas and Cunnington - he will nearly a full list to choose from.

Show us what you’ve got David

 

[Yianni]

Serious response: The cattle are people who have played footy for most of their lives and were selected to play at the top level. In most cases, North chose players that would have been picked up in the draft by other clubs pretty soon after so it isn’t like we chose crazily. There has been a problem (it seems) with playe development for some time - some clubs appear to be better at it than others.

My question (for anybody, not just TAO) is, why would players at this level not be capable of holding a structure that has been drilled and trained into them? Unless they don’t believe it is the best structure?

Because 'holding a structure' to you is three words you write on a bulletin board.

To our players and coaches, 'holding a structure' is a complex real-time undertaking in which:

1. 18 individuals;
2. Try to balance coordinated movement (structure) with uncoordinated movement (contest);
3. Against 18 other, individuals, predominantly older, more experienced and with more pre-seasons together attempting to stop them;
4. It's weakened by players that aren't fit enough (through youth and/or lack of conditioning), or strong enough (ditto); and
5. A few of these eighteen links breaking is enough to bring the whole thing down;
6. Once the structure goes, football gets objectively harder as we need to thread a needle with a smaller eye, under more pressure, in less time.
7. Once the structure goes, trying to 'get it back' is like trying to grasp water.

Hopefully this makes it clearer to everyone the scale of what is being attempted here, the difficulty of pulling it off against good teams, and why we can look oh so bad when it goes wrong.

What happened to us happened six times over this weekend just in the matches I watched.

BRISBANE unstructured NORTH MELBOURNE
CARLTON unstructured HAWTHORN
ST KILDA unstructured RICHMOND
COLLINGWOOD unstructured GEELONG, then
GEELONG unstructured COLLINGWOOD
WEST COAST unstructured FREMANTLE

Did all of these teams immediately become worse footballers immediately? Of course not.
The fact that it happened, then happened again in reverse in the Pies v Cats match suggests to me that part of it might be fitness, but most of it is probably mental. And yes, as the team gets more experienced and (more importantly) more experienced at playing WITH each other, they'll get better at overcoming that.

But we saw in the Melbourne praccy and last weekend, when you're the spooners, weakened, and you have the Premiers or the Prelim finalists at home beasting you, it's ****ing hard to pull it back.

Saturday night was bad, really really bad. But Brisbane lost 10 games by over 60 points only four years ago.

So I think we all need to take a chill pill.

 

[hilly]

It started with Winston Abrahams

Mods!

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[archereleven]

We offered him 1, Tigers offered 2 years

If you saw him play today and parts of last year we made the right decision. I love Robbie but with the amount of injuries he has had the end has come quickly

I watched him play today and Richmond's backline fell apart the moment Grimes got injured. They were well drilled until then.

I'm not saying it was a good or bad move on our behalf, what im saying is, if you let reliable players head into the sunset don't get the shits on when it's called out.

Our kpp stocks are simply the worst in the league by a long shot. We are exposed defensively and offensively and have pretty much bare cupboards to boot.

Brady cuts but doesn't replace.

Struggling with the list management, struggling with the game plan, struggling with team selection, struggling to see where we improve. Our 2s are being demoralised in the same way our 1s are, it's just gloom everywhere atm

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[zoomba23]

This the same coach who took us to a convincing victory over Carlton and a rousing win over the Eagles in Perth last year, a year where we were labelled the worst team ever? Get this reactionary crap out of here. A rebuild is a process. We didn't have three of our five best players, only had one real key forward, and a lot of the players are clearly down on form. We outplayed Hawthorn for half a game and managed to beat West Coast. If you're not willing to give the rebuild time and think the answer is just sacking everyone in sight, you're beyond help. This is frustrating for everyone but it's part and parcel of being a bottom team. Do you want us to become the next Carlton, getting rid of a perceived shit coach only to end up with someone who doesn't bring about any further improvement, rinse and repeat for years on end? Grow some balls and see the year through before crying for the heads of management

 

[Dan]

This the same coach who took us to a convincing victory over Carlton and a rousing win over the Eagles in Perth last year, a year where we were labelled the worst team ever? Get this reactionary crap out of here. A rebuild is a process. We didn't have three of our five best players, only had one real key forward, and a lot of the players are clearly down on form. We outplayed Hawthorn for half a game and managed to beat West Coast. If you're not willing to give the rebuild time and think the answer is just sacking everyone in sight, you're beyond help. This is frustrating for everyone but it's part and parcel of being a bottom team. Do you want us to become the next Carlton, getting rid of a perceived shit coach only to end up with someone who doesn't bring about any further improvement, rinse and repeat for years on end? Grow some balls and see the year through before crying for the heads of management

This is putting sprinkles on a turd and trying to convince people that it won't taste as bad.

 

[zoomba23]

This is putting sprinkles on a turd and trying to convince people that it won't taste as bad.

Yep. It's not like Brisbane lost 9 games by 50+ points back in 2017 then went on shortly after to become a contender. It's not like there are any examples of teams being utter shit as they build a squad capable of contending. Yea, that's never happened, and what's happening at North rn is a total anomaly

 

[Dan]

Yep. It's not like Brisbane lost 9 games by 50+ points back in 2017 then went on shortly after to become a contender. It's not like there are any examples of teams being utter shit as they build a squad capable of contending. Yea, that's never happened, and what's happening at North rn is a total anomaly

 

[The acurate one]

Unless you can maintain possession and move the ball quickly, you’re going nowhere. Right now we can’t do either. Well we try to move it, but ending handing it over.

I’m sure we could dumb a game style down to suit the lowest denomination on the list, but where does that get us? Nowhere.

Yes Micky true that. Now it would seem the following are out of contract at seasons end...

Hall
Atu
Scott
Cunners
Zurhaar
Taylor
Perez
Anderson
Walker
Turner
Hayden
Young
P.Walker
Goldy
Xerri
Powell

How many would you be keeping? Or anyone for that matter?

I'm at 8/9. So my point I will reserve judgement until I see the delisting's at seasons end on whether Noble is the right coach to see us through this rebuilding phase, which still has two more drafts to go.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Sydney at the SCG next week looks horrendous after this

Buddy might be eying off Jason Dunstalls record next week V North ….. another ground invasion

Thirteen! Thirteen!!!

 

[Passmore]

Yes Micky true that. Now it would seem the following are out of contract at seasons end...

Hall
Atu
Scott
Cunners
Zurhaar
Taylor
Perez
Anderson
Walker
Turner
Hayden
Young
P.Walker
Goldy
Xerri
Powell

How many would you be keeping? Or anyone for that matter?

I'm at 8/9. So my point I will reserve judgement until I see the delisting's at seasons end on whether Noble is the right coach to see us through this rebuilding phase, which still has two more drafts to go.

How many of them can run and/or dispose of the pill? I'd be keeping them.

Do any of them "run both ways"? It might be "negligent list management " to delist too many spuds.

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[The acurate one]

How many of them can run and/or dispose of the pill? I'd be keeping them.

Do any of them "run both ways"? It might be "negligent list management " to delist too many spuds.

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Yes we won't be able to delist as many as we feel aren't good enough for this level. So they'll stay. Hope they play a lot of VFL and assist those youngsters coming through.

Looking at our draft picks for later this year is just plain depressing. We have one ****ing pick that you could honestly expect to have an impact. How the **** did we end up here?
I don't blame CCJ it's not his fault.

 

[ferball]

How many of them can run and/or dispose of the pill? I'd be keeping them.

Do any of them "run both ways"? It might be "negligent list management " to delist too many spuds.

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About three of them.

 

[Krakouer Bonar]

Most toxic "supporters" in the league.

Expectations that were sold on what over summer?

And the patience of a pack of toddlers.

Chuck in some buzzwords like 'effort' and 'structures' and 'gameplan', pour in some disappointment, demand the coach be sacked and you have the quintessential North nuffie.

 

[Passmore]

About three of them.

Well they can stay, Ferbs.

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[Passmore]

Yes we won't be able to delist as many as we feel aren't good enough for this level. So they'll stay. Hope they play a lot of VFL and assist those youngsters coming through.

Looking at our draft picks for later this year is just plain depressing. We have one ******* pick that you could honestly expect to have an impact. How the fu** did we end up here?
I don't blame CCJ it's not his fault.

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JHF- the sequel and Cooper Harvey is all we need, Old Boy.

Hopefully they both run backwards and forwards.

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[StiffArm]

Where are the usual club apologists? Cat tongue thingy?

Name a club that has successfully rebuilt without getting thumped once in a while.

 

[Roosurgence]

Taz didn’t want to stay. He wanted a trade

Even if he didn’t want to stay, we certainly made it easy for him to leave.

I’m not that worried about Tarrant leaving, he was never a long term solution and while his experience would help, we would have needed to move on from him sooner rather than later anyway.

My whole issue with the scenario was that if you take that approach, it needs to be across the board and apply to all players. Instead we blink and give a 2 year deal to Ziebell, which was the first mistake. Then to compound the total **** up we don’t look to bolster our KPD stocks.

The thread probably needs to be changed to Bye Bye Luffy!

 

[Cool Kangas]

There is an old saying, that "Nothing is ever as good as it seems, nor is it ever as bad as it seems" depending on what your perspective is on any particular situation.

And in my opinion we are not as bad as we appeared last night, nor are Brisbane as good as they seemed last night. Nevertheless, barring injuries, when the "whips are cracking" at the end of this season, I suspect Brisbane are going to be right in the thick of it and maybe even win the flag.

The reality is that we were never going to get anywhere near Brisbane last night, especially when we were missing BennyC, Jed - our two toughest onballers, LDU and Tarryn Thomas. Just being without Cunnington alone, head and shoulders above anyone else on our list as our best player, we have struggled to win games. Then throw in the other three, plus Taz now at Richmond and by golly, they are 5 players that would have made a huge difference last night.

Whether people like it or not, (and clearly here there is not a lot of "like") we are going to see these sorts of blowouts regularly this year and probably next, in what is a massive re-building exercise.

It seems that a lot of people might have got fooled by our better performances in the latter half of last year and have fallen for the trap of thinking we are better than we are. We are not. We won the spoon last year, for a very good reason. We were the worst team in the competition. Last week against a severely depleted WCE, we nearly went under. I formed the conclusion last Sunday that we are right in the hunt for another spoon this year and hey doesn't the name Ashcroft sound okay?

Are we any better this year? Maybe. JHF has added a huge amount to our team, but he alone could not put us back to be as competitive as we would be if we had the aforementioned players all in the team.

Finally I thought I would go back to 2006 and look at Geelong's season, the year before they broke the drought and won the flag in 2007. They had then, a far superior list to ours this year, but they had a very rocky year and Bomber Thompson (sorry that should be *bomber *thompson) was close to losing his job. Things can turn quickly and while we are way off winning a flag, in my opinion we need to be a little patient and suck it up for a while.

2006 Geelong Football Club season - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Thank you for the sensible post.

 

[The acurate one]

JHF- the sequel and Cooper Harvey is all we need, Old Boy.

Hopefully they both run backwards and forwards.

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yes of course I forgot we've our saviour on his way. Am sure if Mr & Mrs Boomer had their time over they'd have named their boy Jesus.

Although maybe not, only time at the footy do I hear "Jesus" it's when an errant kick or fumbled ball leads to an opposition goal. I think this Jesus fella is not much chop.

Oh well.

 

[Event Horizon]

Interesting analysis from Kingy on SEN this morning. In summary, don’t want to hear apologies or words. Need to make a statement at selection and show progress in coming weeks. Otherwise it may be that the coaches’ message simply isn’t getting through. And when that happens we all know what ends up happening


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