Bye rounds

[timster]

According to the HS, the breakup of team byes are as follows


round 11 round 12 round 13
ADELAIDE COLLINGWOOD CARLTON
BRISBANE GEELONG GOLD COAST
GWS SYDNEY HAWTHORN
NTH MELBOURNE FREMANTLE PORT ADELAIDE
WCE ESSENDON RICHMOND
WESTERN BULLDOGS MELBOURNE ST.KILDA

Assuming that the scores from these three rounds count towards the overall score, it's going to be crazy times trying to have a balanced team, so that not to have too many doughnuts during these rounds.
round 11 looks ok but round 12 & 13 really hurt.
collingwood, Geelong & Freo round 12
Carlton hawthorn & stkilda round 13

How do we cope with this!!

 

[dlanod]

I'm going to assume SC schedules byes for those three weeks, similar to this year's multiple bye weeks. If that is the case, the impact on people aiming for overall positions is if they're targeting trading in those weeks, I.e. bring in players who have had their bye.

Every player will play the same number of games, barring injury and form, so any trades before or after the bye weeks remain unaffected. I know I'm not going to stress about them.

 

[CaramlThickshake]

Every player will play the same number of games, barring injury and form, so any trades before or after the bye weeks remain unaffected. I know I'm not going to stress about them.

The trades prior to the byes might be slightly affected, and i'm sure many will be looking for some small advantage in the way they structure their team to limit zeroes and keep as many premiums on the field as possible. In the end its unlikely to decide the winner though, so not a huge deal.

 

[Walesy]

I'm going to assume SC schedules byes for those three weeks, similar to this year's multiple bye weeks. If that is the case, the impact on people aiming for overall positions is if they're targeting trading in those weeks, I.e. bring in players who have had their bye.

Every player will play the same number of games, barring injury and form, so any trades before or after the bye weeks remain unaffected. I know I'm not going to stress about them.

If in round 12, you trade out of a player that's already had a bye, you're gaining a whole extra game out of it (assuming that there would have been a ducks egg involved - and really, with 6 teams sitting out, there will be duck eggs.

Secondly, if you try to balance your teams across the byes, you will minimise the number of zeros on field. So while you might ignore the fixture, and score 7 zero's over the bye rounds, someone who focuses on balancing around the fixture, might get away with just a few zeros.

Possibly even less if they apply both aspects of thinking.

 

[CaramlThickshake]

If in round 12, you trade out of a player that's already had a bye, you're gaining a whole extra game out of it (assuming that there would have been a ducks egg involved - and really, with 6 teams sitting out, there will be duck eggs.

Secondly, if you try to balance your teams across the byes, you will minimise the number of zeros on field. So while you might ignore the fixture, and score 7 zero's over the bye rounds, someone who focuses on balancing around the fixture, might get away with just a few zeros.

Possibly even less if they apply both aspects of thinking.

exactly. a lot depends on squad sizes/any changes they make to trading for those rounds, but trying to balance the number of players you have out in each round, and more importantly how many in each position, will be vital for overall.

the interesting thing is how to do this without passing on quality players. quite the balancing act. had a look at the fixture today and the teams with rd 11 byes don't have a whole heap of quality premiums across all positions, so it will be tough filling your quota of players from these teams to ensure you don't have too many players out in the following two rounds.

 

[CaramlThickshake]

another observation.

a large chunk of the best defenders have their bye in rd 13. This includes goddard, fisher, gibbs, scotland, yarran, birchall, newman and deledio, and even some potential roughies like gilbert, hartlett, and burgoyne. This will be a nightmare as if you have them, you'll definitely cop zeroes.

so do you pick them, or do you hold off until after this round and somehow fill your backline with other options? admittedly there are still plenty of good defenders to choose from from other teams, including broughton, shaw, enright etc.

 

[timster]

that's a good idea maybe not finalising your defenders until after the round 12 bye, so starting team may have more rookies in the backline instead of an even spread, try to avoid missing lots of players in the same position.

 

[jockreynolds]

Like the way that you are thinking there Thickshake - very good point about the heavy backline casualties in that round.

 

[The Big Sauce]

another observation.

a large chunk of the best defenders have their bye in rd 13. This includes goddard, fisher, gibbs, scotland, yarran, birchall, newman and deledio, and even some potential roughies like gilbert, hartlett, and burgoyne. This will be a nightmare as if you have them, you'll definitely cop zeroes.

Last years top 8 defenders overall sit on the pine in round 13. That's huge!

One way to look at it could be look at others from rounds 11 & 12.

Say Marty Clarke as a mid pricer, start with him & Broughton, then upgrade someone to Heath Shaw going into round 13 could be an option to minimise damage. Or something along those lines.

The other area of interest is rucks with a lot of good viable options situated on Round 11. Mumford becomes a lot more popular, as does McEvoy.

 

[dlanod]

The other area of interest is rucks with a lot of good viable options situated on Round 11. Mumford becomes a lot more popular, as does McEvoy.

Only if you plan on upgrading your rucks. If you're running a set and forget ruck pairing, it shouldn't matter.

 

[The Big Sauce]

Only if you plan on upgrading your rucks. If you're running a set and forget ruck pairing, it shouldn't matter.

It does if you were planning on pairing any of Jacobs, Cox, Nic Nat, Luey & Goldy together, especially coupled with Giles missing that week as well.

Rucks will be more varied as a result of this, which I like. My preferred initial option of Jacobs-Mumford should get through relatively unscathed. But other people's setups are going to be affected no doubt

 

[CaramlThickshake]

It does if you were planning on pairing any of Jacobs, Cox, Nic Nat, Luey & Goldy together, especially coupled with Giles missing that week as well.

Rucks will be more varied as a result of this, which I like. My preferred initial option of Jacobs-Mumford should get through relatively unscathed. But other people's setups are going to be affected no doubt

Solid point. If people want to go cox-sandi again, especially given that everyone will have giles, you'll need a good 4th ruck for this round. I personally wanted to go cox-leuenberger, and this has probably changed it to mumford/mcevoy. not super keen on sandi this year.

 

[jockreynolds]

I am always a little bit wary of worrying too much about factors that detract me from concentrating on quality team member selctions.

I am a battle scarred veteran in this AFL Supercoach game and one thing I have learnt is that your primary focus must always be the selection of quality Fantasy Footballers. In 2011 many were forced to compromose what otherwise would have been their preferred team beacuse of bye sscenarios. This was justified in 2011 as this was a factor every week of the year.

I say select your best team first and foremost. Then reconsider some of your 'borderline' selections in favour of the more bye friendly option.

I've seen too many young coaches pick terrible players just because of bye/mpp factors.

 

[1989]

^^^^

Very true. I think a few got burnt this year by thinking "I'm starting with Swan, so therefore I'm not picking Pendlebury".

MPP (and more importantly, many decent rookie MPPs) probably made it reasonably easy to cover byes in many cases.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

I am always a little bit wary of worrying too much about factors that detract me from concentrating on quality team member selctions.

I am a battle scarred veteran in this AFL Supercoach game and one thing I have learnt is that your primary focus must always be the selection of quality Fantasy Footballers. In 2011 many were forced to compromose what otherwise would have been their preferred team beacuse of bye sscenarios. This was justified in 2011 as this was a factor every week of the year.

I say select your best team first and foremost. Then reconsider some of your 'borderline' selections in favour of the more bye friendly option.

I've seen too many young coaches pick terrible players just because of bye/mpp factors.

Well said old timer. I was one last season who wanted murphy / judd / Pendleberries and Swannage despite the byes.

I started out mentally strong and then the forum advice came thick and fast and before i could say 'fanny adams', i had cotchin and selwood in my team instead of Swan and smurph!

Another week on these forums and 5 minutes before lockout i look at my teamsheet and just wondered how i ended up with higgins, knights, and ottens on board!

Can't wait for more help this year. Thinking i'll end up with Kepler, Setanta and Peake .

No goddmanit!!! I'm going to be strong this year, very strong. I'm going to go prem /rookie this year. And not because it is my idea, but rather due to the fact that I'm following a better flock of sheep this year - award winners!

Just please take pity on me and no one mention Rioli. Already the voices are going off in my head...rioli, rioli...this is his big year! I'm 90% sure he will be my 2012 kryptonite, something that Higgins had cornered the market in!

 

[Walesy]

Thank goodness for you that Sylvia is missing round 1 right?

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Thank goodness for you that Sylvia is missing round 1 right?

Yes, Sylvia is a good one to have stripped away. With my bargain mid pricers last year, i was forced into a cheap semi premium in Sylvia last year. I like the simplification .

The issue for me this year will be didak if he only shows average form pres-season. If he kills it, no brainer...but what if he goes so-so in the pre-season? Hopefully he makes it easier and kills it!

This is my year, I can see it in my tea leaves!

 

[Impromptu]

Didak, Kruezer (yikes), McIntosh and the regulars Grimes, Drummond will be everyone's entrapment.. What about NRoo

I'll be honest but I think next year will be quite difficult with a few proven premiums will be the test of any Supercoaches' will, especially Nick Riewoldt

Oh btw the way, I'm leaning not getting Swan and Pendles in my initial team...but not sure I have the heart not to have them...

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Didak, Kruezer (yikes), McIntosh and the regulars Grimes, Drummond will be everyone's entrapment.. What about NRoo

I'll be honest but I think next year will be quite difficult with a few proven premiums will be the test of any Supercoaches' will, especially Nick Riewoldt

Oh btw the way, I'm leaning not getting Swan and Pendles in my initial team...but not sure I have the heart not to have them...

It's a fine line between genius (you) and village idiot (me). Last year you went without Goddard and now have the perma title of genius. The two previous years I had the balls to leave out Gary Ablett Junior because I thought he was 1) overpriced and 2) liked the possibility that if he did start slow, i'd have a decent head start on all other elite SCers.

My plan sucked balls as Gary junior killed it and people looked at me with sadness in their eyes like they do with any other mentally insane person!

Anyway...

I did have Pendles locked away for 2012 because I rated him the new best player in the AFL, but now have let that go and just look at his value. He is slightly overpriced and in a bracket with Selwood/smurph/Ablett/Swan. Only scales of luck will determine who guns it, making Pendles price relatively quite high.

yours truly
the village idiot

 

[Impromptu]

It's a fine line between genius (you) and village idiot (me). Last year you went without Goddard and now have the perma title of genius. The two previous years I had the balls to leave out Gary Ablett Junior because I thought he was 1) overpriced and 2) liked the possibility that if he did start slow, i'd have a decent head start on all other elite SCers.

My plan sucked balls as Gary junior killed it and people looked at me with sadness in their eyes like they do with any other mentally insane person!

Anyway...

I did have Pendles locked away for 2012 because I rated him the new best player in the AFL, but now have let that go and just look at his value. He is slightly overpriced and in a bracket with Selwood/smurph/Ablett/Swan. Only scales of luck will determine who guns it, making Pendles price relatively quite high.

yours truly
the village idiot

LOL your post gave me a good laugh..but a bit hard on yourself..

Don't forget the year before I had no Ablett too...wasn't he priced at an average of 140?

Thanks for the generous words, but I think I was very lucky this year too.....

I think for me at this stage is Ablett over Pendles/Swan but Pendles/Swan are generally durable...and iirc they averaged about the same

 

[jockreynolds]

Gibbsy, Improptu - great discussion.

Gibbsy - mate - I know exactly how you feel and I would be an out and out goose to suggest that I have not fallen into that exact trap. It probably took me untill my 4-5th season before I grew enough confidence and experience to filter out the 'noise' that leads to ordinary team selection.

Impromptu - what can I say it is indeed an honour mate to be involved in a disussion with you albeit on this forum.