Byron Pickett

[Crow-mosone]

Irrelevant?

Can you not remember his NWS,AA form running of the half back line for North?

Or his several 40 goal + seasons?

Real sniping form there. Obviously can't play any other way, can he?

Note for the future to you. When forming an opinion have a little thing called substance to base them on. OK

welcome to the 21st century, it's been awhile now. hang around, you might enjoy it.

 

[Portmanteau]

rubbish, what's his tackle count like (i know the answer), what's his hard ball gets like (got that one too) - the bloke doesn't care about the ball, just charging into guys who do have eyes for the ball.

Which of course, Biglands didn't have, but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Which of course, Biglands didn't have, but let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story.

what was the last year that my post wasn't true?

 

[Sheeds]

Interesting. The worst hit he's ever dished out - 100% fair under the then laws of the game - was in Kangaroos colours, when he killed Brendan Krummel at Waverley.

So, if you acknowledge he was "good" and "skilful" at the Kangaroos - and was adding to his catalogue of hits then as much as at any time of his career - why is he now suddenly a "nasty, dirty sniper" in Port colours, despite the fact he won a Norm Smith Medal less than 12 months ago - which is as valid a measure of a "good, skilful" player as any?

Byron's Port affiliation aside, the key moment which has skewed your thinking it seems is the Begley incident.

The problem I have with this incident being a condemnation of Byron and his career is that in recklessness and outcome it was roughly on a par with Bickley's hit on Wakelin - shattered cheekbones aside.

Why is it that because of the Begley incident Byron's character is assassinated beyond belief now - even when he collects opposition players fairly as he did last night with Biglands - but in contrast, despite the ugly Wakelin incident, Bickley is still (rightly) revered on this board as a cleanskin who will always be remembered with pride as the man who lifted our first Premiership cups?

Something is clearly amiss here.

Is it simply a case of 'Byron is a Port player and Bickley is a Crow' which makes their crimes and resulting legacies different in the eyes of Adelaide supporters, or is it another factor that I cannot recognise?

Brilliant post.

Unfortunately many people will remember Byron as a thug. He will have 2 premiership medallions, Norwich Rising Star, All-Australian honours as well as a Norm Smith. He can play the game, it is unfortunate what the Begley incident has done.

Im aware people talk about the Krummel incident, Melbourne players at G in 2003 etc etc. I only defend Byron in those cases because what he did was deemed within the laws and regulations of the game, really people have no right to get stuck into Byron when he has not done anything wrong in those cases. We all accept the Begley hit misfired so to speak.

Hypothetically if it is shown that Choppy did not do anything wrong in the Biglands incident, no report is laid etc etc Will the Crows supporters still hold this against him?

 

[gokartin]

Gutless, sniping, dog.

discuss

YOUR TEAM IS JUST JEALOUS THAT YOU HAVE WIMPS IN YOUR TEAM AND NO TUFF MEN

 

[sapaul]

YOUR TEAM IS JUST JEALOUS THAT YOU HAVE WIMPS IN YOUR TEAM AND NO TUFF MEN

Welcome newbie. Caps Lock off thanks knob.

 

[Stiffy_18]

YOUR TEAM IS JUST JEALOUS THAT YOU HAVE WIMPS IN YOUR TEAM AND NO TUFF MEN

Yeah and those wimps kicked your sorry ass by 83 points last night.

I would take those wimps over your tuff (sic) men any day of the week, every month of the year and twice in september

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Welcome newbie. Caps Lock off thanks knob.

 

[beartoo]

Usually when a player is attempting to tackle an opposition player and someone lays a shepherd, there is a clash of bodies between the attempted tackler and the person laying the shepherd. This will not result in laying out the bloke shepherding, unless the bloke attempting the tackle doesn't in fact have eyes for the bloke with the ball.
This is what happened last night. The hit was intentional and malicious. It might be deemed 'legal' by the powers-that-be. That doesn't change the fact that it was a mongrel act.
If Roo had followed through with his kick off the ground in the goal square last night, there would have been more than a busted cheekbone. He pulled out. He may be hard, but he is not vicious.
And no, I don't condone what Bickley did to Wakelin. That act was a disgrace to the Crows jumper, and Bickley is well aware of that.

 

[cruiser]

Port has a history of using designated hit men in finals eg David Granger. I am so happy that the Crows ended the Port scums season last night (I'm an ex-South Aussie).

 

[Smoooothy]

just reading upto page 4, has apollo creed been kicked out yet

at the end of the day, port aren't in anymore, when you get over yourself and that fact, you might wanna give yourself a reality check. pickett does this sort of thing every few weeks, he needs to be stopped, he will really hurt someone one day!

my mum msged me at half time last night and said that pickett is the new grainger, i told her that pickett aint the new one..

 

[tribey]

Who thought Bickley was a dirty player exactly? Mostly all you heard about Bickley was that he was a fair and honest player.

I answered this. I'll say it again. "Some Port people". The general consensus is that Bickley is a fair player, same goes for Ricciuto - but some (I say that as to not incriminate all) believe that they are snipers.

I have heard this said by Port supporters at games and it has also been said here by users.

When I began a thread on the main board to voice my distaste for Fleming's hit on Riewoldt a year or two back, a Richmond fan retorted, "yes, it was very similar to Bickley's wasn't it". This surprised me as clearly people have not forgotten about the Wakelin hit - Port fans and neutrals alike.

As I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Who does? Show me. I think you're making vague things up. How often does Ricciuto line up a player instead of the ball? The ball is always Ricciuto's first priority?

You believe I am speaking in falsehoods when I say that Port people (not all) believe Bickley and Ricciuto to be snipers? You're kidding right?

You're joking right? If you can't see the difference between revelling in an ACTUAL Port/Crows rivalry issue and discussing Pickett as a player, you've got problems. Very, very stupid attempt to discredit me. Makes no sense at all.

Oh no, I wouldn't want to discredit YOU, would I.

I would have thought the point was simple. It's perfectly OK for you to make odd references to rancid yoghurt and Chad Cornes among other assorted anti-Port ramblings, but it's not OK for me to associate (as I apparently always do!) the repeated negative opinions about Pickett put forth on this board as being part of the wider anti-Port sentiment expressed here as a rule.

Makes no sense does it? Go over it again and get back to me.

You're the one trying to make out that any Crows supporter who has a dim view of Pickett's acts is because he plays for Port. What a stupid, arrogant, offensive presumption on your behalf.

How is that stupid, arrogant[?!] or offensive[?!!]?

You accuse others of pompousness, but this really takes the cake. Enjoying your glass of Grange and shiny new monocle are we?

Anti-Pickett threads as a result of the Begley incident I can understand, but why were there similar threads about the Wiggins incident and now the Biglands incident?

There's a pattern here.

I can't remember too many Crows fans creating threads calling Steven King, Glen Archer, Brad Miller or the Scott Bros. anything from 'reckless' to 'dogs' lately. Why would that be?

If you're going to sit here and tell me with a straight face that the repeated lynch-mobs that bay for Pickett's blood on this board have nothing to do with the fact he plays for Port then you are biased beyond belief and further illustrate the point I am making - the root of the character assassination suffered by Pickett since the Begley incident stems from and is further exacerbated by the guernsey he wears... at least you'd hope that's why.

 

[Malibu#27]

Question - what was Biglands intention last night?

Answer - to take Pickett out of the contest.... which you are allowed to do - and every league coach would encourage (within the rules of course)


The contact was within the rules, what Bigland did was within the rules. Why are we even talking about it.

 

[tribey]

Because it was one Byron Pickett (the dog, thug, disgrace, sniper et al) that invited the contact and knocked him over.

If it was Wiedemann coming off the square to take D. Jarman out of the 1993 Elimination Final, Ricciuto concussing Kemp when he wasn't looking, Ormond-Allen knocking Sexton out of season 1997 or Caven putting Glenn Kilpatrick into the Kardinia Park dugout this would be absolutely sensational and a tribute to all that is great about the game.

 

[West Coast Fan 123]

********ing hypocrites. If Pickett's hit was bad then I guess we all agree Roo is a "gutless prick" hitting a kid half his size whilst Pickett takes out a 200cm bloke double his size who was trying to sherperd him. ******** off go watch some netball you pussies. Your team doesn't play real football and your supporters it seems don't want to watch real football. Bring on Saturday biatches.

 

[Smoooothy]

********ing hypocrites. If Pickett's hit was bad then I guess we all agree Roo is a "gutless prick" hitting a kid half his size whilst Pickett takes out a 200cm bloke double his size who was trying to sherperd him. ******** off go watch some netball you pussies. Your team doesn't play real football and your supporters it seems don't want to watch real football. Bring on Saturday biatches.

your a ******** head!

this sort of crap will make it ever sweeter when we whoop your ass next week!

 

[Bomber1313]

your a ******** head!

this sort of crap will make it ever sweeter when we whoop your ass next week!

Good comeback!!
no, no, you really discredited his argument and made him look like a fool. Well done.

 

[Crow-mosone]

********ing hypocrites. If Pickett's hit was bad then I guess we all agree Roo is a "gutless prick" hitting a kid half his size whilst Pickett takes out a 200cm bloke double his size who was trying to sherperd him. ******** off go watch some netball you pussies. Your team doesn't play real football and your supporters it seems don't want to watch real football. Bring on Saturday biatches.

I gather you are not old enough to have watched your 'coach' play his football.

 

[Smoooothy]

Good comeback!!
no, no, you really discredited his argument and made him look like a fool. Well done.

whatever...

 

[shintemaster]

Usually when a player is attempting to tackle an opposition player and someone lays a shepherd, there is a clash of bodies between the attempted tackler and the person laying the shepherd. This will not result in laying out the bloke shepherding, unless the bloke attempting the tackle doesn't in fact have eyes for the bloke with the ball.
This is what happened last night. The hit was intentional and malicious. It might be deemed 'legal' by the powers-that-be. That doesn't change the fact that it was a mongrel act.
If Roo had followed through with his kick off the ground in the goal square last night, there would have been more than a busted cheekbone. He pulled out. He may be hard, but he is not vicious.
And no, I don't condone what Bickley did to Wakelin. That act was a disgrace to the Crows jumper, and Bickley is well aware of that.

So basically, the person shepherding should be able to intentionally hurt someone, but not the person being shepherded? Is this a joke?

 

[just maybe]

I answered this. I'll say it again. "Some Port people". The general consensus is that Bickley is a fair player, same goes for Ricciuto - but some (I say that as to not incriminate all) believe that they are snipers.

I have heard this said by Port supporters at games and it has also been said here by users.

Some Port people, eh? That helps your argument how? The main board if looded by NON-Adelaide supporters who also despise Pickett. I don't see many threads about how Bickley is despised, other than over that incident.

When I began a thread on the main board to voice my distaste for Fleming's hit on Riewoldt a year or two back, a Richmond fan retorted, "yes, it was very similar to Bickley's wasn't it". This surprised me as clearly people have not forgotten about the Wakelin hit - Port fans and neutrals alike.

As I said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

You believe I am speaking in falsehoods when I say that Port people (not all) believe Bickley and Ricciuto to be snipers? You're kidding right?

Some Port people? Well, gee, that's definitely comparable to the legions on the main board who consider Pickett a consistently gutless sniper.

Oh no, I wouldn't want to discredit YOU, would I.

I would have thought the point was simple. It's perfectly OK for you to make odd references to rancid yoghurt and Chad Cornes among other assorted anti-Port ramblings, but it's not OK for me to associate (as I apparently always do!) the repeated negative opinions about Pickett put forth on this board as being part of the wider anti-Port sentiment expressed here as a rule.

Makes no sense does it? Go over it again and get back to me.

Nope, I am making direct reference to a game played between Port and Adelaide, a DIRECT rivalry, and making direct reference to the behaviour of Port and its supporters in the preceding week.

How is that not associated to the rivalry? Get a grip, sunshine. There is no 'importing' the rivalry into that comment, that IS the rivalry. Whereas you try to actually import a sentiment into a comment about a way the player plays.

If you think they're at all comparable, you're being very childish in your attempts.

How is that stupid, arrogant[?!] or offensive[?!!]?

You accuse others of pompousness, but this really takes the cake. Enjoying your glass of Grange and shiny new monocle are we?

Anti-Pickett threads as a result of the Begley incident I can understand, but why were there similar threads about the Wiggins incident and now the Biglands incident?

There's a pattern here.

I can't remember too many Crows fans creating threads calling Steven King, Glen Archer, Brad Miller or the Scott Bros. anything from 'reckless' to 'dogs' lately. Why would that be?

Because it was against our team, numbnuts. We did call Brad Miller a dog after what he did to McGregor.

If you're going to sit here and tell me with a straight face that the repeated lynch-mobs that bay for Pickett's blood on this board have nothing to do with the fact he plays for Port then you are biased beyond belief and further illustrate the point I am making - the root of the character assassination suffered by Pickett since the Begley incident stems from and is further exacerbated by the guernsey he wears... at least you'd hope that's why.

There were lynchmobs when Pickett played for the Kangaroos. Have you ever considered in your steam-headed defences of Pickett that it might actually be HOW HE PLAYS, rather than the club he plays for? Has that ever entered your mind? Perhaps? Just a possibility? FFS...

As for your constant rubbishing of the Port/Crows rivalry...grow up and choose a side. Stop trying to have your two-bob each way. You're so defensive of Port and Port players and so happy to pump the tyres of Port when they're going well. If you're a Crows supporter, live it and stop trying to have the each-way bet.

 

[Portmanteau]

Some Port people, eh? That helps your argument how? The main board if looded by NON-Adelaide supporters who also despise Pickett.

Who overwhelmingly came out in support of Pickett's bump on Biglands.

Quit while you're still ahead.

 

[tribey]

If you think they're at all comparable, you're being very childish in your attempts.

...

Because it was against our team, numbnuts.

And I bet you wonder why you and Skipper Kelly get along so famously.

 

[just maybe]

Who overwhelmingly came out in support of Pickett's bump on Biglands.

Quit while you're still ahead.

I am not talking bout the Biglands hit. I said it was fair. Dyertribe was having a whine about why people don't like Pickett.

 

[just maybe]

And I bet you wonder why you and Skipper Kelly get along so famously.

Oh wow, numbnuts. What a scary, vicious insult.

And if you're trying to namedrop a bloke who follows me through threads to troll me, you're clearly struggling.