C-section Ammo's 2007

[out west]

This is an old issue and will never go away. Most clubs do the right thing and if you have been around long enough you soon know the clubs that do and do not abide by the fundimental principle of the ammos.

i for one have zero time for it. If I ever discovered my club doing it I would walk away in an instant. I have already said this on Bigfooty that there were strong rumors that we paid some players when we were in A grade in the mid eighties. Fact remains that as a result of the influx in $$ players we lost more than 30 players over 3 years who had played all their junior footy with us and many went on to play top line senior footy else where.

We all know the clubs that do it - pity them, and in most cases it doesnt help them anyway....

Dean, correct. The only way for district clubs to survive in the higher grades is to offer incentives in order to attract players. At the moment the ammos is an old boys comp.In the late 80's Parkside (now in NFL), Bulleen - Temp (d1) and Kew (d4)and Ivanhoe (d2) were all in A Grade. Next year there is only 1 district club in the top 2 grades. In 1990 there were Banyule, Kew, Parkside, Ormond, Bulleen Temp, Fawkner in the top 2 grades. Scribe, it happens but will never be 100% proven. To my recollection only 1 or 2 clubs have been caught in the past 20 years. St Bernards were one and I think there was another one.

 

[uglydermie]

The only way we as a district club can survive is work hand in hand with our junior club. It is one of the strongest in the state and we will benefit from this relationship over the next 3-5 years.

18 years ago when I came out of local private school, BT were in B grade and old Ivanhoe were in D. Easy decision for me at the time and same was said for Marc, Trinity and Carey. Once the tables turned it became harder to keep the kids. NOT because of MONEY but because of playing in the higher grades.


The other aspect that has hurt us is the VFL under 18s and VFL reserves. WE pump a heap of kids into this system and pride ourselves and giving them this chance - BUT more often than not the system when it spits them out when they don't make the cut they are ëncouraged to play else where (often to a club where the VFL coaches have mates etc etc).

 

[tiger_tuff]

Do you seriously expect me to answer this?

Alright, read slowly OK, just in case you don't understand.....then read over again. It's a basic building block of the rules of evidence - the more facts which are provided to support an allegation assist in ensuring the allegation becomes more believable. Provide sufficient facts which are capable of being fully investigated, tested and confirmed, and an allegation becomes a properly tested fact itself.

Umm...ok, let's say hypothetically of course, I was offered money by a VAFA footy club. I am asked by the VAFA to explain the circumstances of the approach. They ask me to describe the persons and the club involved.

I say his name was Peter Hille and he took me out for a meal at the Lord Newry Hotel on 12 December 2006. At the end of the evening, he offered me $200 per game to leave Old Trinity and play for Fitzroy Reds. If proven correct, then that would validate my claim. (NB - the fact I was in Thailand last year at that time means it's a false claim)

If, on the other hand, I said I can't name/identify the guy, nor can I remember the club involved, and the date and location escapes me as well.....then who would believe me? Would you?

Provide identity and it becomes a compelling allegation, provide enough tested evidence and it becomes a fact. On the basis of the above, Swan Song's allegation is fiction. Anyone can make up what Swan Song posted without backing it up with facts - and plenty of posters on this forum continue to do so every off-season.

Oh, and outwest - I have 2 points to make:

1. I didn't say it doesn't happen, I just said people keep alleging it happens without providing any evidence. If people provided evidence, then one hopes it would enable the VAFA to take steps to eliminate the practice.

2. oh, and where do Parkside play their footy now? The Northern FL. How convenient.....I note you haven't bothered to name the D1 player, nor the clubs involved in the 2007 allegation. Who is he? and which clubs were involved? Add those details and your allegation becomes testable, and possibly believable.

See, that's my point.

I would have thought that naming a club on an anonymous forum does not constitute eveidence.

 

[Conduct Unbecoming]

I would have thought that naming a club on an anonymous forum does not constitute eveidence.

Absolutley right Tigger Tuff.

Around 2000 we offered a senior coaching role to a player of another club. We didn't have huge dollars to offer but we were a strong club with a good name in the Ammos. Some months after he had accepted, he made it know to me (just in a friendly chat one day) that he took our role for about the the same $$ that he was receiving the year before just to play. He was playing aginst us in the Ammos the year before.

It happens. Lets try to minimise it and move on.

 

[Jack_Bauer]

Anyone whos knows about someone getting paid does so because they are usually mates with the bloke. Why would anyone want to name names and dob in a mate? C'mon scribe. Do you really think people will name names?

 

[oc37]

Old carey B@ F awards in order from 1st to 6th


Seniors
Thomas Evans

Andrew Kent

Thomas Howgate

Robert Josephs

Malcolm Heppell

James Ross/Martin Heppell



Reserves
Joel Newnham

Luke Mckinnon

Jack Joslin

Christian Barton

Nicolas Everett

James Hutchins/Marshall Bull


U19
Lach
Hodges
Smithwick
MB
Rule
S Tiras

Club XVIII
Leigh Andrianopoulos

Oliver Winchester

Matthew Curry

Joel Daniher

 

[jakas]

Scribe, you cant be serious wanting people who use an alias to name names on here. Accept the fact that clubs do pay and get on with it.
The ammo competition is one of the best around but really do you truly believe that some of the players in it dont get rewarded in some way to stay in it.
The controlling body isnt going to do anything anyway because the old boys network is made up of members who most likely played their footy at some of the offending clubs.
One thing that is for sure is that if you are a club that has appeared on the scene recently you will be under much more scrutiny than one that has been around since inception. If you dont believe that just look at how investigations are conducted.

 

[sideshowbob]

who are the coaching appointments for c grade clubs in 2008 ?

 

[Lemms]

who are the coaching appointments for c grade clubs in 2008 ?

Shane Maclauchlan re-appointed at Rupertswood. Great news .