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I think you are absolutely pathetic and it shows how dumb you are, as if the dollar is howards fault and all the rest of your comments are total crap ! you sound like those typical people who would vote for a stinking republic and the poxy labour party without knowing anything about them and not being able to give a reason why you have voted that way ! get a life.

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So you would rather the Queen of England then Eastaugh ?

Somebody who is elected by nobody, accountable to nobody, is not an Australian, has to be an Anglican, does not even live here and has inherited wealth and privilege beyond your wildest dreams by mere accident of birth ?

I'd rather a 'stinking' republic anyday than having to be a some kind of freakking 'subject' of freakking Betty Windsor and her clan of inbred Aristocrats.

Eastaugh I guess you are one of thiose guys that thinks Australia is not good enough to have one of our own for a Head of State ?

Or were you one of those gormlessly stupid types that belived the pack of lies blurted out by the 'No' campaign during the referendum.

I suppose if Kerrie Jones, John Howard, David Flint, Bill Hayden, Tony Abbott and all the rest of them told you the Earth was flat you would believe that also ?

"God save the Queen" - get fu*ked - Off with her head I say

flame away Monarchists - go on tell me how much you love your dear Betty Windsor and why she should still rule Australia.
 
you are a moron ! I didnt vote against a stinking republic because I love the queen etc, I did it because becoming a republic is a damn waste of money ! There is nothing worng with the current system and it seems to be working fine so why waste all that money to change it ? we have alot more urgent needs for the money such as hospitals,homeless people,etc etc ! anyone wanting a republic is ignorant of more important needs right now

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Essendon - The greatest club with the greatest coach in the league ! Carlton- absolute hypocrites who accuse others of being cheats only for it to be found later that carlton are the "serial salary cap breachers" as quoted by our president, haha
 

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The queen of england is also the queen of Australia. So bag her and you bag Australia.

Now I would prefer a change from this situation but here is the rub. Give me something better to vote for. I certainly don't want Australia to be in the same mess America is in at the moment. Neither do I want a president elected by politicians.
We may not want the queen but at least she isn't a political meddler, just a figurehead.

So far the only non biased, non political figureheads around that are truly Australian are flipper and skippy!
 
So where is the waste of money ?

Please explain to me how replacing the British Monarch with an Australian head of state wopuld cost so much money ?

In fact it would save money - no more need to to have six different state governors, no more need to have six different Agents-GHeneral, each with their own building and staff in London, no more need to spend all that money on the pomp and ceremoney that goes with having a monarchy, no more need to fly Governors and Governors General to London to be sworn in by the Queen.

As to your second point about "if it ain't broke don't fix it" well mate I guess its all a point of interpretation

The system IS broke

It rankles that we have as a head of state somebody who is chosen by no-one, somebody who is accountable to no-one and somebody who is not one of us, doesn't live here and doesn't even think about us.

If you don'tr think that this is a ricidulous situation then I guess you are just another monarchist who also belives some people are better than others because of who their parents were.

And another thing - think back to November 1975, the lawfully, democratically elected government of Australia was sacked - by somebody who was elected by nobody, acting unilaterally. Again Eastaugh if you don't think this is a problem I really pity you mate - I really do.

No Eastaugh the present system ain't broke - its absolutely stuffed and should be consigned to the Dustbin of History just like Convict transportation and the White Australia Policy.
 
crap ! nothing about the monarchy is affecting us, so it isnt broke, there are alot more important matters before a dumb republic is considered, there were newspaper reports explaining how much it would cost to change the money and all the other crap , its a total waste !

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Essendon - The greatest club with the greatest coach in the league ! Carlton- absolute hypocrites who accuse others of being cheats only for it to be found later that carlton are the "serial salary cap breachers" as quoted by our president, haha
 
I couldn't agree more BSA.

Be careful quoting 1975 though. The Liberals landslide election win, which followed could be used as an argument for the GG responding to the will of the people.

How anyone would rather have the Queen of England as head of state rather than an Australian is beyond me. A woman born to a life of privilege for no better reason than her ancestors were better at rape & pillage than most. I bet you can't wait for King Charles, the man who wishes he was a tampon up Camillia's you know what!!!!!!!!!!! Still we know where used tampons go.

As for it being a waste of money. That's your opinion not mine. How can a defining stage in a countries political development be a waste of money.

And comparing an Australian Republic to the current problems with the US election??????
2 totally different systems & your comparing them just goes to show you have no idea what you are talking about.

Eastaugh your posts on this thread have made me reconsider my commitment to compulsory voting. I am in favour of it but your obvious ignorance makes me wonder if you should really be voting.
 
My point exactly

Why aren't we mature enough to have one of our own for our boss ?

and as for Frodos comment about bagging Australia if you bag the Queen - well thanks for your little contribution there Commissar Frodo, I guess we can take that a step further and say anyone bagging the Queen will be arrested on a charge of high treason, humilated in a show trial and then hanged in the Tower of London untill dead ?

Were the American or French revolutionaries bagging their own country when they bagged the monarch ? - I don't think so.

It is perfectly respectable and patriotic to critcise the British Monarch, just because you don't like the fact that some English Aristocrat is our head of state - does that make you 'Un-Australian' ? hmmmmm.

As for the point about the cost involved with changing bank notes and coinage - is that the best you can come up with ? Geeee what a massive xpense that will be !

About as much as it cost to change to gold coins and plastic banknotes in the early nineties - yes and that really emptied the Treasury didn't it ? - NOT.

The truth is the Coalition Government spent more taxpayers money advertising the introduction of the GST than they ever would in re-minting a few coins and banknotes.

Get real.
 
Ah political debate - now we get down to it!!!

I have to say that I agree with BSA and Drakey - I think by the the 21'st century Australia should be a mature enough nation to elect it's own head of state (by whatever process) and that the current politicians made an absolute ballsup of the last referendum (from both sides).

I'll agree with Eastaugh on one point that it will be a fairly expensive process (but a one off cost!) - however an average Royal "Tour" costs approximately $8 million dollars - each time a Royal decides that he/she would like to patronise the colonies! - surely we can spend that money elsewhere Eastaugh? (How about electing our own head of state, woah!!!)

My 2 cents

Cheers

Gonzo
 
So is the queen doing anything about the corrupt nature of the political system at the moment ?

The politicians seem to be more interested in scoring points than cleaning it up. They all do it its just that some don't obey the 'rules' and get publicised.

Perhaps amn impartial head of state could serve to get them together and sort it out.

That is the sort of thing I would like a president to do.
 

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No of course she isn't

Like I said she doesn't care about us, she isn't one of us, she doesn't live amongst us and she doesn't think about us.

but she is our head of state

work that one out.
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I am convinced that the innate conservatism of the Australian community will one day lead to the absurd situation where England is a republic and the Royal Family has to move to Oz.

If you had referendum question "should the sun come up tomorrow?" and it didn't get bipartisan support from both sides of politics, we would vote "no!".
 
To me, even the words republic and president seem cheap and nasty. Like we have to copy everyone else, including countries that have a far inferior political system than our own! Can't we remain a bit different (Special if you like)?

I would consider myself fairly in favour of the current system, but if others demand an Australian head of state, why not consider the McGarvie Model.

Under this proposal, the title of the head of state would remain "Governor General" instead of common-as-dogshit "President". The country would remain "The Commonwealth of Australia" instead of common-as-dogshit "Republic".

The Governor General would be chosen by a panel of emminent Australians from a variety of professions and across the political spectrum. It takes the issue outside of party politics, while removing the need for a Presidential election (we already have an elected leader - the Prime Minister - we don't need another).

With this model, social democrats get their "Australian" head of state while conservatives keep much of the system they like and feel comfortable with.

It's called a compromise! Fair to both sides I would say!

Republicans who find this unacceptable, obviously have a hidden agenda. They don't just want an Australian head of state - they really want to increase their own power.

Conservatives may be convinced to abandon the House of Windsor, but ONLY if they think the alternative is safe.

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I am normally a fairly reserved political beast.

HOWEVER.....

a cannot see how anyone could not vote for a republic. Here's why....

1. We had a choice. Not a direct election vs appointed model but an appointed vs monarchy. The direct election was not on the table so it was irrelevant. Look at the two options.....under one system the head of state is determined by a vote of the Australian parliament. In the other system it is determined by two inbreds hitting the sack and the fastest sperm wins. How could you vote for the inbreds ?

2. What we did was the equivalent of the netherlands deciding "hey, we've got our own queen but we really think that the president of Zimbabwe would do a much better job of being our head of state". Why would we do that ? We had a choice between an Australian or a Pom and we chose the Pom.

3. the arguements about this being it and if we don't get a directly elected president now then we never will is codswallop. Right now we have the most conservative monarchist of a PM as you could think, of but through the will of the people even he had to put it to a vote. If we had an appointed pres, and the majority of people still wanted direct election (I don't but hey) then the guy who stands up at an election and promises another ref. will win and it will happen. This will cost no more than the 2nd and now 3rd ref. if you believe beazley we will have now.

4. the costs arguement is bunk. apart from BSA's excellent points...having our own flag (even with its faults) costs us money. Surely we could just adopt micronesia's flag and save all that dough through economies of scale. We could adopt Malaysia's currency so we can share printing costs...but we don't because it means something to be an Australian, and I am prepared to pay for that even if it does cost more (which it doesn't).

On the day of the vote I was ashamed to be an Australian....the majority were duped.

ptw (that is not Power To Windsor !!)

[This message has been edited by ptw (edited 01 December 2000).]
 
Hey, don't misquote me. I am not a monarchist, I just want someone to come up with something better.
And getting rid of the queen will cost a fortune. Crown Law would need to be abolished. No stupid queens counsellors and judges wearing stupid wigs that date back 4 centuries. Now I would like to see that. No Knighthoods either. The Queen stands for a society divided by class which I hate.

But as I say. As an unbiased head of state give me something better to vote for and I will.
 
Frodo

are you saying that the model put forward was not better than the queen ? Forget other models they were not on offer. Might be in the future but not then ?

ptw
 
The main thing for me is that when my kids come to me in 20-25 years time and ask why do we still have an Briton as our Head of State?

I will have to explain (in a very embarassed tone) that for some reason Australians when they had the chance - voted that way!!!

Phil Cleary may be able to help answer that!!

You've got a lot to answer for Phil!!!

Cheers

Gonzo
 
I had the opportunity in January of this year to put that directly to Phil Cleary in person.

He went red in the face and avoided the question.

I think he is acutely aware that it was his 'wrecking' campaign that cost us republicans the referendum.

How can you sleep at night Phil ? - tell me
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are you saying that the model put forward was not better than the queen ? Forget other
models they were not on offer. Might be in the future but not then ?
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The model offered was certainly not better than the queen. If we are going to have a republic we need to get the model right. Thethought of President Keating is enough to throw up on. The people must decide, not the politicians.
 

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