Calling out the weak SANFL development clubs

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The SANFL comp does benefit from the times the College doesn't play.
In the vats majority of the cases, the boys play SANFL whenever there isn't a school game. This includes preseason, holidays, and post school season.
In fact you can track the success of certain clubs by when they have their private school boys available! North, Norwood, Sturt and Glenelg especially are MUCH stronger during the times the school system isn't playing.

Not really because in those weeks the standout U18s in the state are still spread out among U18s, reserves, league and country football.

What I mean by utilising those 'college free' weekends is that the U18 competition should have a concentrated period where all the best players in that age group are playing against each other.

There are 8 teams so the SANFL might have 7 'full strength' rounds of U18 football over the course of the season:
- When there are no State U18 commitments
- No college football
- All the best country footballers would prioritse those 7 weekends to travel to Adelaide
- No U18s up playing reserves or league football for those 7 weeks

That would give us the best chance to showcase our talent in that age group, as the TAC Cup does. At the moment our talent is spread too thinly over too many competitions and levels.

 

[Team DJ]

You must live in another state to make that comment about Soccer. Most Northern and Southern Clubs start at under 7 and are not school related.
As with the Ovals, any Club that wants to bring in people thru there club will come to an agreement.
But they will not need to as Council will develop grounds and build the facilities required.
And before you say they will not look around. I drive pass a council built Tennis center with facilities built by the council, I drive by a council built soccer oval used by Adelaide United for training, I drive by Football oval set up by the council for a junior club, I Drive by an oval with better facilities than the ones Glenelg use for there players to use built by the council. all done to attract sports to certain areas.

But you are showing you bais to the SANFL clubs. What about Football in South Australia.
PS how old are the juniors at Glenelg. under 16 is the first age group. Does the SANFL even care about the under 14,12,10,9.

Every SANFL Club has an U13, 14 and 15 Program.

 

[DoubleBlue2]

I'm confused why you think the SANFL should develop talent so they can go to a different competition and leave theirs

Seems a little Irish


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Because the kids in their system nesrly always have to go through them to be drafted (as the SANFL have set up a closed shop), therefore they have an obligation to those kids and the game itself.

 

[DoubleBlue2]

Fogarty McPherson Ballard wouldn't have played they are private school kids you have read how their students play college firsts whether football or cricket haven't you

And I would be interested to know if Fogarty was on a football scholarship at rostrevor as a number of private schools offer them and they are expected to play their first


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Not really, Colleges let their SANFL level players play with their SANFL team most weeks.

 

[DoubleBlue2]

Sturt provided more than half the SA kids drafted this year so far, yet won seniors, reserves and 18s GFs.
They obviously arnt listening to Marty.

Who would have thought that looking at the bigger picture would be beneficial!?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Not really, Colleges let their SANFL level players play with their SANFL team most weeks.

No they don't!

They maybe release them for selected weeks if they are playing a particularly poor opposition. And only to play league.

 

[chazwazza]

There’s a lot of swings and roundabouts as to how SANFL clubs go in the draft. A few years ago Norwood were developing good players for the draft, then West, WWT are always pretty good, now Sturt has, a few years ago Sturt wouldn’t have had one kid drafted.

I’m sure clubs could do more, I’m sure the SANFL could do more but it’s on limited funding and until the AFL get serious about the short falls not much will change. If that change is with an AFL run junior comp then they’ll have to massively step up the funding to cover it. Either way it’ll take more money.

The glib comments on here about SANFL clubs not caring about developing players for the AFL is just crap, every club strives to be the best they can in all facets. How many on here making these claims have discussed it with the clubs? Not many is my guess.

 

[marty36]

No they don't!

They maybe release them for selected weeks if they are playing a particularly poor opposition. And only to play league.

Its not about the weeks they can play, the comp is a development league train two or three a week and play on weekends and maybe some information nights, the college system means you are compulsory to attend any football activity they hold you cant go off and do your own thing

A suggestion was made which is clearly the best for all involved like American football the draft age is increased the universities get involved and run comps where the players are receiving an education aswell as their right to play for the uni. Base it on the American College system where it develops the players in so many ways and if they dont make it they have something to fall back on

The introduction of a TAC iin Adelaide is ridiculous how many extra players from the 15 will it create here in SA out of the draftees which you would expect after the rookie draft to be around 90, its not even worth discussing, better off spending the money in NSW where the population is five times the size and the chance of return is far greater

The only other alternative would be give an acadamey system to both Adelaide and Port run independantly but both clubs to contribute $1 million each but get first crack at the kids similar to the northern states , but doubt the other teams would go with that as WA should be given the same

 

[marty36]

There’s a lot of swings and roundabouts as to how SANFL clubs go in the draft. A few years ago Norwood were developing good players for the draft, then West, WWT are always pretty good, now Sturt has, a few years ago Sturt wouldn’t have had one kid drafted.

I’m sure clubs could do more, I’m sure the SANFL could do more but it’s on limited funding and until the AFL get serious about the short falls not much will change. If that change is with an AFL run junior comp then they’ll have to massively step up the funding to cover it. Either way it’ll take more money.

The glib comments on here about SANFL clubs not caring about developing players for the AFL is just crap, every club strives to be the best they can in all facets. How many on here making these claims have discussed it with the clubs? Not many is my guess.

A lot is coming down to location of the Club, Glenelg always have draftees but with a lot of Sacred Heart and Immanuel kids playing there its no surprise, Norwood and Sturt would have plenty of Scotch, PAC and St Peters, Rostrevor, CBC, WWT has St Mciks and Henley High(Football Programme)

Generally those clubs have kids living in their zones and they are the schools there parents are choosing, is the college system a far better system thean the High School system apart from Henley who have a designated Football programme with scholarships attached like Brighton High and their VolleyBall programme

The College system is pretty full on they make it compulsory for a lot of things like having to play two sports whilst you attend the school and attend trainings and social functions. If you are playing first 18 you must attend the game wearing school attire including ties and blazers. Like I said it is very strict. Does that get best results, maybe who knows

 

[dogs105]

A lot is coming down to location of the Club, Glenelg always have draftees but with a lot of Sacred Heart and Immanuel kids playing there its no surprise, Norwood and Sturt would have plenty of Scotch, PAC and St Peters, Rostrevor, CBC, WWT has St Mciks and Henley High(Football Programme)

Generally those clubs have kids living in their zones and they are the schools there parents are choosing, is the college system a far better system thean the High School system apart from Henley who have a designated Football programme with scholarships attached like Brighton High and their VolleyBall programme

The College system is pretty full on they make it compulsory for a lot of things like having to play two sports whilst you attend the school and attend trainings and social functions. If you are playing first 18 you must attend the game wearing school attire including ties and blazers. Like I said it is very strict. Does that get best results, maybe who knows

Very few colleges have compulsory sports.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Very few colleges have compulsory sports.

It's compulsory to do co-curricular stuff. Can be sport but also art, music, debating, drama etc.

 

[feenix67]

They have. The entire school did. Not sure of situation right now, but only a few years ago there were whispers of Rostrevor having to shut down if enrolments didn't pick up soon.

Wow that's insane. Ageing demographic I guess.

 

[feenix67]

Not really, Colleges let their SANFL level players play with their SANFL team most weeks.

They absolutely do not.

 

[marty36]

They absolutely do not.

Yes they do but league only


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[Bicks]

Actually that is not true.

In Victoria there is a governed quota on how many games the boys can play in a season. The schools tends to only use their very best players for crucial games. They let their players play TAC Cup, State Games etc... far more than we do here.
In SA it is 100% school first with the occasional allowance for club games.

In Vic there is a much better balance. Their boys play much more TAC than our boys do SANFL.

Actually it is true with the APS & AGSV Competition taking priority over TAC commitments with their students as I thought.

I checked with Matt Balmer a past APS student and now draft guru with the AFL Draft Central website and one of the most knowledgeable guys on junior talent in the land outside of the professional recruiters and a regular attendee at these games. The APS & AGSV competitions are played exclusively on Saturdays and the TAC Saturday/Sunday. Some schools outside of the APS and AGSV Comps play mid week so players can double up but the greater bulk of the top end talent coming through the system attend APS or AGSV schools.

 

[jackster83]

I got bored and looked up the players drafted over the last 10 years and their corresponding draft pick value.



Sturt and Glenelg lead the way, with WWT, North and Norwood not too far behind them. West a fair way behind them and Centrals and Port lagging further back. South win the wooden spoon with not one single player taken inside the top 40 in this time.

Interesting to note just how poorly the SANFL fared during the 2016 draft, and how well it fared during our draft sanction years.

 

[ams4crows]

Could you say to the college i dont wanna play football for the school but I'll play cricket or basketball... and then play in the SANFL U18s comp?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Could you say to the college i dont wanna play football for the school but I'll play cricket or basketball... and then play in the SANFL U18s comp?

No, it's worded quite specifically that you can't play club sport in preference to school sport. There's no work around by signing up for Tuesday afternoon table tennis.

All the better players are on full or partial scholarships. They're not going to take a financial hit then release the player without getting their money's worth.

Anyway, I maintain that this is not an issue. Every state has equally invasive college sport.

Need to focus on our state specific issues.

 

[screech]

Not really, Colleges let their SANFL level players play with their SANFL team most weeks.

Yes they do but league only

Rubbish

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/1f728f7ab9587415c724e1519215ba1f

 

[marty36]

Rubbish

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...t/news-story/1f728f7ab9587415c724e1519215ba1f

Martini from Glenelg and sacred heart played league this year in 9 occasions but in the instance you highlighted I think it depends on the game the college are playing and how much they want to win as I know of other occasions players were denied playing league

The colleges take their comp seriously and want to win

The facts are colleges have control over the players

The issue is a development league and the reason n for a development league is to develop the elite talent, the majority of elite talent comes from the colleges so it defeats the purpose as those players and colleges will be far from committed to it for obvious reasons


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[DJ75]

Could you say to the college i dont wanna play football for the school but I'll play cricket or basketball... and then play in the SANFL U18s comp?

Yes you can - as long as you aren't on a scholarship for that sport!

 

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So would you say there are more soccer clubs or footy clubs in SA and what percentage more on the one you choose


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Sorry for being late back was sidetrack in a dicussion with some Port boys,
But this article may answer some of your questions. Remember some media outlets call soccer Football.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2016/12/08/most-popular-sport-in-australia/
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...australias-most-played-sport-11m-participants
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4156.0.55.001Feature+Article1May 2009
The latest figures are not much better. more so for South Australia.

This is a concerning article and can relate to us.
http://theconversation.com/back-to-the-future-has-the-afl-lost-its-community-62100

Again I am concerned with the direction of Football in this state, we need to act now while there is money to run with a change before it to late.
Unfortunately, I don't believe SANFL club base options will work, in getting Juniors into the system. They seem to have forgotten the Country Good players have to move to the city to get a chance so we are losing the next tier. Represented junior teams from country areas playing in a tier 1 comp will give these kids a clear path-way.
We cannot adopt a European system due to the size and spread of our population,
we cannot adopt a US college-based system
We need a system that covers both Country and City an Australian system, As at this time we are destroying Football in the Country South Australia

South Australia cannot continue to live on there past history they need to catch up, accept the AFL but more importantly, they need to move with the times.

 

[marty36]

Sorry for being late back was sidetrack in a dicussion with some Port boys,
But this article may answer some of your questions. Remember some media outlets call soccer Football.
http://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/football/2016/12/08/most-popular-sport-in-australia/
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...australias-most-played-sport-11m-participants
http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4156.0.55.001Feature+Article1May 2009
The latest figures are not much better. more so for South Australia.

This is a concerning article and can relate to us.
http://theconversation.com/back-to-the-future-has-the-afl-lost-its-community-62100

Again I am concerned with the direction of Football in this state, we need to act now while there is money to run with a change before it to late.
Unfortunately, I don't believe SANFL club base options will work, in getting Juniors into the system. They seem to have forgotten the Country Good players have to move to the city to get a chance so we are losing the next tier. Represented junior teams from country areas playing in a tier 1 comp will give these kids a clear path-way.
We cannot adopt a European system due to the size and spread of our population,
we cannot adopt a US college-based system
We need a system that covers both Country and City an Australian system, As at this time we are destroying Football in the Country South Australia

South Australia cannot continue to live on there past history they need to catch up, accept the AFL but more importantly, they need to move with the times.

You talk of the direction of football and the participants, pour money into grass roots and billy bog who can barely kick 10 m or Peter Pan who can barely run, that gives you participants, this whole thread is about developing 10-20 players for the elite level.

So all that money shoudl be spent where??????

Elite against Football for sport/ fun are clearly two different pathways

Which one are you suggesting Elite or total participation

PS there isnt that much money and it needs to be prioritised what would you suggest????????

 

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You talk of the direction of football and the participants, pour money into grass roots and billy bog who can barely kick 10 m or Peter Pan who can barely run, that gives you participants, this whole thread is about developing 10-20 players for the elite level.

So all that money shoudl be spent where??????

Elite against Football for sport/ fun are clearly two different pathways

Which one are you suggesting Elite or total participation

PS there isnt that much money and it needs to be prioritised what would you suggest????????

For every billy bogs and peter pans there are stars, remember it takes a team to play football.
There is Money available, to start a comp there is a Place for a Junior comp that involves all of South Australia, not just a select few country And its these Kids and the ones trying to make the team that goes back to there local clubs and keep them going,
The current system is losing kid to football it needs fixing, No matter whether we like or not, it not improving its going backward.

But I guess we can leave it alone and in 20 years time wonder where all the Football clubs disappeared to As it stands My junior club cease to exist the Ground is now a soccer ground and 5 out of the 12 teams we played went the same way.

How many Ammos clubs have dropped teams the participation rate is declining every year.
And you worry about just developing players for the AFL and SANFL.

 

[marty36]

For every billy bogs and peter pans there are stars, remember it takes a team to play football.
There is Money available, to start a comp there is a Place for a Junior comp that involves all of South Australia, not just a select few country And its these Kids and the ones trying to make the team that goes back to there local clubs and keep them going,
The current system is losing kid to football it needs fixing, No matter whether we like or not, it not improving its going backward.

But I guess we can leave it alone and in 20 years time wonder where all the Football clubs disappeared to As it stands My junior club cease to exist the Ground is now a soccer ground and 5 out of the 12 teams we played went the same way.

How many Ammos clubs have dropped teams the participation rate is declining every year.
And you worry about just developing players for the AFL and SANFL.

100 draftees this year in the afl at our peak we would contribute 20 to 25 let's be real here that 25% what will Vic contribute with a population 4 times the size and WA with a population double. Going on those numbers Vic should put in 100 players and WA 50 players on pure calculations

Going on the population demographics we are producing what we should be ATM

But wait only 100 are being drafted

How can you possibly say for every billy bog there is an equivalent elite player that's bloody ridiculous

Take your choice participation or elite development I'd say we have a balance ATM


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