Opinion Cam Guthrie - where’s he at?

[PatrickBateman]

Guthrie is having a dog of a year but he's got enough runs on the board for me to think he'll turn it around. Hopefully it's a fitness thing that he can turn around in the next few weeks.

Has shown enough to indicate he'll never be a midfielder of any real quality. We struggled for too long with him in there. Doesn't have the weapons of Touhy, nor the physical presence to be a great defender. Guthrie is sitting in the abyss a bit, the club is being very, very good to him.

 

[Baudolino]

In light of the week of nothingness fast approaching us, a second Player Spotlight vid seems in order to help fill the void...

Round 11 vs Adelaide Player Spotlight: CAMERON GUTHRIE (Full Match Edit)

Cameron Guthrie Round 11 vs Adelaide
20 disposals
10 kicks
10 handballs
4 marks
3 inside 50s
3 bounces

 

[Tony Barber]

Ha ha ha. So Guthrie provides no offensive run and should be in the VFL. FMD.
Even when he wasn't given the ball he was providing outside running options.

I've got to say that after watching that, it shows handball stats can be easily over looked. Because he completely cut them open with a bunch of those handballs.

"Doesn't make good decisions".

Ha ha ha.

 

[00VicWard001]

Yep. We've been lacking another hard mid for years. Our midfield was ranked 18th for the 2015 season for a reason, Selwood was the only ball winner with any real genuine intent in how they approached the contest. Menegola and Scott Selwood have filled a large gap.



Has shown enough to indicate he'll never be a midfielder of any real quality. We struggled for too long with him in there. Doesn't have the weapons of Touhy, nor the physical presence to be a great defender. Guthrie is sitting in the abyss a bit, the club is being very, very good to him.

To an extent this is true. Tuohy is the better version of Guthrie (consistently so) in defence, and Duncan and Scooter are the better versions of him in the midfield.

But at the moment, he's about 80% of the way to being as good. So that being said, it's not bad to have a player who can be in the midfield or defence and who can step up to defend a small player, or be an attacking defender or an outside mid, or a tagging mid. Lastly, he an experienced player and within the leadership team. He actually works to marshall the defence too - which is important having lost Enright and Taylor.

Guthrie is having a decent go and is more involved each game he plays, I'd say he will continue to improve and will be performing well by the end of the year.

Simply dropping him because you have some bias simply doesnt make sense in an actual team game. The net benefit of having him in the team is positive.

 

[PatrickBateman]

To an extent this is true. Tuohy is the better version of Guthrie (consistently so) in defence, and Duncan and Scooter are the better versions of him in the midfield.

But at the moment, he's about 80% of the way to being as good. So that being said, it's not bad to have a player who can be in the midfield or defence and who can step up to defend a small player, or be an attacking defender or an outside mid, or a tagging mid. Lastly, he an experienced player and within the leadership team.

I'd say he's never going to have the weapons of either Scooter or Tuohy (fierce, physical, strong kick), Duncan? Maybe Guthrie at his best, although we've never seen it enough to know. Duncan is far and away a superior player. As it stands, Guthrie is a utility that can't really do either role very well, isn't express pace wise, isn't physical at all or great one on one, and lacks weapons.

Guthrie is having a decent go and is more involved each game he plays, I'd say he will continue to improve and will be performing well by the end of the year.

Simply dropping him because you have some bias simply doesnt make sense in an actual team game. The net benefit of having him in the team is positive.

Do you even read my posts? No. It's your bias that's the problem here.

I've offered that putting him back to the VFL may address his confidence issues, freshen him up. It's worked for many, many players over the years. Do I like the guy? Not really, but I don't want him out of the side so I can gloat (even though I would), I want premierships. Guthrie at his best is in our best 22, which gives us the best chance of winning one. As it stands, he's playing shite and the club is doing as you say, just waiting for him to improve. I say it's gone on long enough, it's time to address the problem. Not just for him, but for the club.

I disagree on your net benefit point too. Sure, you may need to bring in a fringe player for Guthrie, but it's about preparing for finals. Setting precedence. Showing all the senior players that no one player is safe, 'leader' or not.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I'd say he's never going to have the weapons of either Scooter or Tuohy (fierce, physical, strong kick), Duncan? Maybe Guthrie at his best, although we've never seen it enough to know. Duncan is far and away a superior player. As it stands, Guthrie is a utility that can't really do either role very well, isn't express pace wise, isn't physical at all or great one on one, and lacks weapons.

All comprehensively belied by the involvements clip posted by Baudolino in the post-match thread.

 

[PatrickBateman]

All comprehensively belied by the involvements clip posted by Baudolino in the post-match thread.

Hilarious.

#guthintheguts = fail

 

[FredLeDeux]

Hilarious.

#guthintheguts = fail

I like a man who can laugh at himself.

 

[Tony Barber]

All comprehensively belied by the involvements clip posted by Baudolino in the post-match thread.

I'm not sure if I'm alone on this or not. But when I have a bee in my bonnet over a player I tend to only see the things he doesn't do.

I think Patrick is way, way past that.
If he can't look at the clip from the last game and admit he's wrong then he really has issues.

 

[Nickoo]

I'd say he's never going to have the weapons of either Scooter or Tuohy (fierce, physical, strong kick), Duncan? Maybe Guthrie at his best, although we've never seen it enough to know. Duncan is far and away a superior player. As it stands, Guthrie is a utility that can't really do either role very well, isn't express pace wise, isn't physical at all or great one on one, and lacks weapons.



Do you even read my posts? No. It's your bias that's the problem here.

I've offered that putting him back to the VFL may address his confidence issues, freshen him up. It's worked for many, many players over the years. Do I like the guy? Not really, but I don't want him out of the side so I can gloat (even though I would), I want premierships. Guthrie at his best is in our best 22, which gives us the best chance of winning one. As it stands, he's playing shite and the club is doing as you say, just waiting for him to improve. I say it's gone on long enough, it's time to address the problem. Not just for him, but for the club.

I disagree on your net benefit point too. Sure, you may need to bring in a fringe player for Guthrie, but it's about preparing for finals. Setting precedence. Showing all the senior players that no one player is safe, 'leader' or not.

I'm sorry Patrick, that's just not a true picture of his input. Guth was good friday. Hopefully he doesn't read this board because it could really do his head in. As I said elsewhere he and Mots need to keep running rather than stopping and propping or turning to look for a hand pass. The two of them would excitement machines if so IMHO.


Go cats!

 

[PatrickBateman]

I'm sorry Patrick, that's just not a true picture of his input. Guth was good friday. Hopefully he doesn't read this board because it could really do his head in. As I said elsewhere he and Mots need to keep running rather than stopping and propping or turning to look for a hand pass. The two of them would excitement machines if so IMHO.

That's fine, the forum is about opinions. I don't agree though, that he was good on Friday. He was serviceable in a side that dominated for most of the night. Had little impact. Still making a lot of mistakes, and I do agree with your assessment of him stopping and propping - going backwards, sideways. This goes back to my point on his confidence being shot. When at his best, he took the game on, took on tacklers and ran forward at almost every opportunity, was very effective. That player is gone.

The team has lifted substantially in the last 3 weeks, he hasn't. He's a senior player, more should be demanded of him. His issues are classic of a player playing safe and lacking confidence.

Too many on here are simply emotional about the player and just refuse to see it, accept mediocrity instead.

#guthintheguts

 

[Daniel McL]

That's fine, the forum is about opinions. I don't agree though, that he was good on Friday. He was serviceable in a side that dominated for most of the night. Had little impact. Still making a lot of mistakes, and I do agree with your assessment of him stopping and propping - going backwards, sideways. This goes back to my point on his confidence being shot. When at his best, he took the game on, took on tacklers and ran forward at almost every opportunity, was very effective. That player is gone.

The team has lifted substantially in the last 3 weeks, he hasn't. He's a senior player, more should be demanded of him. His issues are classic of a player playing safe and lacking confidence.

Too many on here are simply emotional about the player and just refuse to see it, accept mediocrity instead.

#guthintheguts

That's fine, the forum is about opinions. I don't agree though.

#GuthInTheTeam

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Guthrie has clearly been poor this year compared to other years. Has he been impacted by having Scooter, Menegola and Duncan playing well through the middle? It's probably partly what's pushed him back. It's difficult to have everyone in good form at the same time. I trust Guthrie is good and just in poor form. Scooter is playing a role Guthrie has played before but than can find spots for both in the team.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Guthrie has clearly been poor this year compared to other years. Has he been impacted by having Scooter, Menegola and Duncan playing well through the middle? It's probably partly what's pushed him back. It's difficult to have everyone in good form at the same time. I trust Guthrie is good and just in poor form. Scooter is playing a role Guthrie has played before but than can find spots for both in the team.

Guthrie was pushed back into defence later in the 2016 season when Menegola and SS came into the side, for good reason. He was failing to have an impact in the middle. He was actually pretty good in defence in the latter part of the season. Tuohy has come into the side in 2017 and does that role much, much more effectively though.

2017 we saw a repeat. Guthrie tried once again in the middle and failed, Menegola was even kept out of the side (and dropped) even, ridiculous. A failure of the club. Scott Selwood comes in and has a huge impact. Menegola has been very, very consistent also.

To say that Guthrie clearly being poor this year is a result of other players outperforming him is one way to look at it. He's been shown up in both roles.

#guthintheguts with not much guts?

 

[Down at K Park]

I thought he was ok against the crows. Provided some run.

His biggest problem is being caught out and holding the ball. But i can only remember that once last weekend. Some games he will get done 3 or 4 times.

 

[BUSTER29]

Long story short,has been disappointing so far this year.
This time last year was leading our F+B award.
Interrupted pre-season,more time down back,could be a couple of the reasons.
Still,has another half of the season to find some form and confidence.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Gee he was preety poor till the last qr when the sting had gone out of the game a bit.
Would be good trade option. Can play, but for us he's not really in our top group of defenders or mids. He's sort of stuck in the middle.

 

[Frappe]

Not having his best year but he's in our best 22 easily.
If you're not sure, watch a recording of yesterday's VFL game.

 

[supahoops]

Not having his best year but he's in our best 22 easily.
If you're not sure, watch a recording of yesterday's VFL game.

Spot on.

Ahead of Ruggles and Bews down back.

Midfield depth when in form which will come. Half a dozen others were in his position a month ago.

Would like to see him given a few run-with roles even if only for a quarter behind Scooter & Blicavs, Fyfe & Kelly come to mind..

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Has gone backwards for reasons unknown.
I Like the look of his brother though.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

What's with this thread?? His A very good player who is having a down year due to injuries and no pre season. Is doing enough to be best 22 easily. Who else is going to do better?? We have nothing much in the reserves.

He will build fitness and form at AFL and get back to his best towards finals.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Has gone backwards for reasons unknown.
I Like the look of his brother though.

He had no pre season that's why

 

[Vdubs]

Nothing a good short back and sides can't fix. IMO, he is very weighed down by that nest of garbage bouncing up and down on his head.
As far as his effort and effectiveness, he gives us a nice blend of attacking link up play. Not every mid can amass 30 disposals a game. He is doing his bit for CS and our team.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Nothing a good short back and sides can't fix. IMO, he is very weighed down by that nest of garbage bouncing up and down on his head.
As far as his effort and effectiveness, he gives us a nice blend of attacking link up play. Not every mid can amass 30 disposals a game. He is doing his bit for CS and our team.

Was not long ago either that he was our best finals player. Has talent and the best thing to do is just leave him and continue to play him. He will find some form and hopefully come good at the right time

 

[fpm84]

Thought he was good on Friday night. Hasn't come close to reaching his 2016 form but we know the impact a limited pre-season can have; see S. Motlop last year. Hopefully he keeps building in the second half of the season.