Cam Rayner Dive

[STPer18]

On Saturday, the AFL said while O'Connor made contact with Rayner with his elbow/arm, it was below the level of force required to justify a free kick.

Has to get done for staging considering he dropped like a sack of spuds with such minimal force. Throw one to Kai Lohmann for his too - flopping is creeping into this Brisbane lineup.

 

[bzparkes]

Wrong, commentators, the AFL ( have come out and said he flopped) other teams boards also saying it.

He is now considered a diver.

The thing is, nobody will care, especially when half the commentators last night were Geelong supporters, or ex-players.

It was a bad decision from the ump, kind of funny but had no impact on the result, unlike when Zac Bailey should've got a kick for HTB down at Kardinia to win the game after the siren but the umpire chose to ignore paying the most obvious free of all time against the home team which would've lost them the game.

It gets brought up from time to time but ultimately, it's not high on people's list of things they dislike in the AFL, much like this incident.

 

[bzparkes]

Has to get done for staging considering he dropped like a sack of spuds with such minimal force. Throw one to Kai Lohmann for his too - flopping is creeping into this Brisbane lineup.

You mean the one where Stewart had his back to the ball and pushed Lohmann over?

 

[Wojcinski]

The thing is, nobody will care, especially when half the commentators last night were Geelong supporters, or ex-players.

It was a bad decision from the ump, kind of funny but had no impact on the result, unlike when Zac Bailey should've got a kick for HTB down at Kardinia to win the game after the siren but the umpire chose to ignore paying the most obvious free of all time against the home team which would've lost them the game.

It gets brought up from time to time but ultimately, it's not high on people's list of things they dislike in the AFL, much like this incident.

Jon Ralph held the same opinion and he borderline hates Geelong.

 

[bzparkes]

Jon Ralph held the same opinion and he borderline hates Geelong.

Jon Ralph hates interstate clubs far more than he hates Geelong.

 

[STPer18]

You mean the one where Stewart had his back to the ball and pushed Lohmann over?

The one where he did a Cam Rayner™.

 

[Wojcinski]

Jon Ralph hates interstate clubs far more than he hates Geelong.

you've got all the answers hey? Maybe we should stop having opinions since you'll be here to give them all to us

 

[bzparkes]

The one where he did a Cam Rayner™.

If you turn your back to the ball and push them over, you run the risk of a free kick being paid against you.

Happens all the time.

 

[bzparkes]

you've got all the answers hey? Maybe we should stop having opinions since you'll be here to give them all to us

Sounds good to me

 

[Hoops]

He got awarded free kicks for being pushed on two occassions by the umpires.

How can the AFL then say he staged?

And if the AFL then reinterpret the situation by saying he staged, then Rayner and the Lions have an easy defense simply by saying he was given free kicks by the umpires on both occassions for his opponent pushing him.

There has been many occasions staging resulted in free kicks and fines

 

[Hoops]

What? Was Selwood's reputation "destroyed"????

Did he ever stage? Been asking for years and yet to see evidence

 

[HTPunter]

I really wish the AFL would stop coming out & declaring when an umpiring decision was wrong. It does nothing but feed hatred & hysteria around umpires. We could all see it was a mistake. It was probably an overreaction to a complaint from Rayner about contact off-the-ball. But so what, you can’t undo the decision.

If there’s any concerns about why it was paid (I.e bias) then keep that indoors & conduct an investigation.

It’s not like the clubs come out & announce all the mistakes from their players post match. Nicks “Riley Thilthorpe should not have handballed to Keays”, Scott “Cameron missed gettable shots” ??? So why do we need “mistakes” announced by the AFL when every single game has 10-15 mistakes from the umps and 50+ from the players, we then choose to single out a few decisions a month that the AFL NEEDS to report on.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

It’s funny for me.

Horrible umpiring aside.

I don’t think the first one is a dive. He gets a little nudge (never a free) but because he’s not expecting it it make him go down.

The second one is absolutely a dive but it’s also incredibly stupid from Guthrie and while soft can easily be paid a free kick. It’s also a situation where almost all players milk it the exact way Rayner did so I don’t even blame him

The reality is the first one should just never be paid and I fully expect the umpire to have the rest of the year off in response

LOL mate, you must fall over a lot at the shopping center and any crowded place then with a little bump. Or an unexpected breeze must knock you over

 

[beez]

What is the point of the umpire up in the box with all the tv angles if not to point these mistakes out to umpires in the moment and say “hang on boys, this one’s not really right, let’s just make it a reversal down where the mark was taken”?

That sort of feel for the game would be sooo much better.

Sure. But the game is too subjective. And the game moves too quickly.

Where's the line? When is it an 'obvious' error? That in and of itself creates an even bigger issue.

In an ideal word every footy stakeholder should just accept rules are arbitrary and we're all gonna get screwed sometimes and benefit at others. That's footy. It's always been that way. At every level.

 

[Hoops]

You can blindside shove blokes in the back 150m off the ball now? Wild times

Yes, do you even go to games? its been happening for 150 years

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Legend has it that somewhere out amongst the MCG turf, cam rayner is laying face down, waiting… for another free kick

 

[Elixuh]

Legend has it that somewhere out amongst the MCG turf, can rayner is laying face down, waiting… for another free kick

Ladies and gentlemen never go full cooker. Cam Rayner has scrambled this Geelong posters brain. Even more so than the lead in their drinking water from the old ford factory.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Ladies and gentlemen never go full cooker. Cam Rayner has scrambled this Geelong posters brain. Even more so than the lead in their drinking water from the old ford factory.

Hey don’t accuse me of doing a cam rayner. I am not flopping in here

 

[420]

Yes, do you even go to games? its been happening for 150 years

Push in the back has been a rule for yonks mate. It was soft and (imo) not a free but for the afl to come out and say a FK was incorrectly given to a player hit in the back from behind miles off the ball is stupid. Who determines the force required? Can players just lay someone out from behind off the play now? Daicos gets hit like that off the ball and it's a free every day of the week.

 

[Hoops]

Jon Ralph hates interstate clubs far more than he hates Geelong.

Its unusual for a Victorian to hate interstate clubs, indifference, yes but I've never met anyone to collectively hate them

 

[Wojcinski]

am I crazy for thinking it would be much less of an issue and circumstances like this would be tolerable if the free kick was where the ball lies? So instead of a goal square freebie, Stengle would have just had to hand the ball over to the oppo in the backline?

 

[bzparkes]

am I crazy for thinking it would be much less of an issue if circumstances like this would be tolerable if the free kick was where the ball lies? So instead of a goal square freebie, Stengle would have just had to hand the ball over to the oppo in the backline?

No, that's exactly what should've happened. In fact, that's what's supposed to happen in this instance. Umpire lost the plot.

 

[Hoops]

I really wish the AFL would stop coming out & declaring when an umpiring decision was wrong. It does nothing but feed hatred & hysteria around umpires. We could all see it was a mistake. It was probably an overreaction to a complaint from Rayner about contact off-the-ball. But so what, you can’t undo the decision.

If there’s any concerns about why it was paid (I.e bias) then keep that indoors & conduct an investigation.

It’s not like the clubs come out & announce all the mistakes from their players post match. Nicks “Riley Thilthorpe should not have handballed to Keays”, Scott “Cameron missed gettable shots” ??? So why do we need “mistakes” announced by the AFL when every single game has 10-15 mistakes from the umps and 50+ from the players, we then choose to single out a few decisions a month that the AFL NEEDS to report on.

Disagree, its important to be transparent and open about these things, otherwise the conspiracy theories start

 

[420]

am I crazy for thinking it would be much less of an issue if circumstances like this would be tolerable if the free kick was where the ball lies? So instead of a goal square freebie, Stengle would have just had to hand the ball over to the oppo in the backline?

Agreed, the penalty was just too severe for how minor the infraction. Similar to brutal 50s for silly protected area incroachments

 

[Hoops]

No, that's exactly what should've happened. In fact, that's what's supposed to happen in this instance. Umpire lost the plot.

Wrong!, the rules are where the infringement happened or where the ball is , whatever the greater penalty