Cam Rayner

[Hollow Knight]

 

[danster168]

The depth of talent taken from pick 20 through the rookie draft would probably never be matched.

Can danster168 put Rayner amongst the 2016 or 2018 draft for comparisons sake?

Sure can. 2018 draft:
Rankin
Rozee
Lukosius
M.King
B.King
S.Walsh
Butters
Bailey Smith
Quaynor
Nick Blakey
Jordan Clark
Bobby Hill
Kieren Briggs
Rowbottom
Wilkie
Tom Atkins
M.Chol
McInerney
Idun
Bedford

Arguably on Chol, but I'm taking the key position player. So I'm taking Rayner at 22 in the 2018 draft.

 

[Dazb86]

Jesus Christ.

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96k posts?!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Sure can. 2018 draft:
Rankin
Rozee
Lukosius
M.King
B.King
S.Walsh
Butters
Bailey Smith
Quaynor
Nick Blakey
Jordan Clark
Bobby Hill
Kieren Briggs
Rowbottom
Wilkie
Tom Atkins
M.Chol
McInerney
Idun
Bedford

Arguably on Chol, but I'm taking the key position player. So I'm taking Rayner at 22 in the 2018 draft.

Chol is not even from the 2018 draft you dingbat. He was re-rookied. The top 10 or so in the 2018 draft are mainly better players than Rayner to this point. Not necessarily Quaynor from your list. After that you have listed every player who is doing well in any role no matter how much easier that role is to play or how clearly defined the player's role is, making it easier for them.

Rayner as we witnessed last night is still learning to play a much less clearly defined, but very major, role. Most of these guys you listed after the top 8 or so would not even have any chance of doing that. Players like Bobby Hill, McInerney, Idun, Bedford, as good as they are in their respective roles, they are capped at about $400-450k pa type players in today's cap. If Rayner gets his role anywhere near right he is instantly an $800k pa player, it is a different level altogether that he is trying to reach.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Laughable. Rayner is a spud. People talk about Miers as an AA calibre player. No-one will ever mention Rayner in such a fashion.

Melbourne Demons Football Club's much feted midfield(and rightly so) was totally destroyed in 1 quarter by a "spud" according to Danster.

 

[danster168]

Chol is not even from the 2018 draft you dingbat. He was re-rookied. The top 10 or so in the 2018 draft are mainly better players than Rayner to this point. Not necessarily Quaynor from your list. After that you have listed every player who is doing well in any role no matter how much easier that role is to play or how clearly defined the player's role is, making it easier for them.

Rayner as we witnessed last night is still learning to play a much less clearly defined, but very major, role. Most of thee guys you listed after the top 8 or so would not even have any chance of doing that. Players like Bobby Hill, McInerney, Idun, Bedford, as good as they are in their respective roles, they are capped at about $400-450k pa type players in today's cap. If Rayner gets his role anywhere near right he is instantly an $800k pa player, it is a different level altogether that he is trying to reach.

Fair call re: chol. Just looked at the list.

The fact that Rayner has struggled in every role he's been put in isn't my fault or other players fault. He is well behind the players in that list. If Rayner was good enough to be a full time mid, he'd be a full time mid. He's not.

Yes, I agree with you. IF Rayner gets his role right he'll be worth 800k. He's been in the system for 6 years and hasn't improved or showed anything in 6 years. He is 24 and had ample time to break out.

The same can be said for petty who is already getting 800k offers from Adelaide.

 

[danster168]

Melbourne Demons Football Club's much feted midfield(and rightly so) was totally destroyed in 1 quarter by a "spud" according to Danster.

a 25 disposal, 0 goal game was a career game by Rayner. big deal. the 29 players better than Rayner in his draft alone have had bigger games. Hell, Worpel had 36 touches the other week.

 

[Hollow Knight]

They should just award premiership points to teams based on disposal count. The actual nature of those possessions is irrelevant.

 

[Happy_Neale]

You seem to have an issue with Worpel as well Danster, why is that? He’s flourishing under Mitchell this year

 

[augie]

Chol is not even from the 2018 draft you dingbat. He was re-rookied. The top 10 or so in the 2018 draft are mainly better players than Rayner to this point. Not necessarily Quaynor from your list. After that you have listed every player who is doing well in any role no matter how much easier that role is to play or how clearly defined the player's role is, making it easier for them.

Rayner as we witnessed last night is still learning to play a much less clearly defined, but very major, role. Most of thee guys you listed after the top 8 or so would not even have any chance of doing that. Players like Bobby Hill, McInerney, Idun, Bedford, as good as they are in their respective roles, they are capped at about $400-450k pa type players in today's cap. If Rayner gets his role anywhere near right he is instantly an $800k pa player, it is a different level altogether that he is trying to reach.

This thread is awash with ridiculous comments and posts from its two main protagonists. I never thought anyone could match Danster for ridiculousness, but the bolded is not a bad effort.

While it pains me to use the words "to Danster's credit", to Danster's credit at least he wasn't here after round 4 slagging Rayner off for his 3 kick, 100 metres gained last week. But maybe last week he was even earlier in his journey of learning to play a much less clearly defined role.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Fair call re: chol. Just looked at the list.

The fact that Rayner has struggled in every role he's been put in isn't my fault or other players fault. He is well behind the players in that list. If Rayner was good enough to be a full time mid, he'd be a full time mid. He's not.

Yes, I agree with you. IF Rayner gets his role right he'll be worth 800k. He's been in the system for 6 years and hasn't improved or showed anything in 6 years. He is 24 and had ample time to break out.

The same can be said for petty who is already getting 800k offers from Adelaide.

Petty has one club desperate for that type of player offering him $800k. It is not his market price. Rayner was putting his team out the front of stoppages repeatedly early last night to set the result up, against probably the best midfield quartet in the business. Players who can do that on any sort of consistent basis are:

a) rare, and
b) tremendously valuable

We have already seen it win Brisbane one absolutely critical big match, let's see how our man progresses from here. It looks pretty clear from the huge jump in his tackling and pressure output this season he is 100% committed to do what his team needs him to do rather than chase soft possessions or goals for himself. He was strangely quiet in the rout v North but very productive with his all round offensive and defensive stats bar that game this season. So he is also starting to look like a player who knows how to lift when required.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Are the Dees about to get Raynered?

Who's taking the match up?

Should Rayner play back on Selfritsch to limit his impact?

You got his name wrong it's Bayley Avritsch

 

[Meteoric Rise]

This thread is awash with ridiculous comments and posts from its two main protagonists. I never thought anyone could match Danster for ridiculousness, but the bolded is not a bad effort.

While it pains me to use the words "to Danster's credit", to Danster's credit at least he wasn't here after round 4 slagging Rayner off for his 3 kick, 100 metres gained last week. But maybe last week he was even earlier in his journey of learning to play a much less clearly defined role.

Yes, to Danster's credit he knew Rayner's performance v North Melbourne DID NOT MATTER. When it did matter, say in the GF where Rayner didn't play too well, Danster was definitely letting everyone know about it, don't worry about that.

Last night mattered, and it mattered doubly to Dan, a Demons diehard, so we are just letting him know back.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You got his name wrong it's Bayley Avritsch

There is an update...

Barely AvFritsch.

danster168 fuming at this name.

 

[bungalow_bill]

And a quote from Kickbackflip: "Maybe if we had dropped Rayner when we should have, we could’ve got more games into Keays and Hinge. Both deserved more senior appearances after they dominated in the QAFL".

All I will say is thank goodness that a few of our supporters are not in charge of team selection. Keays and Hinge lol QAFL lol again

 

[danster168]

There is an update...

Barely AvFritsch.

danster168 fuming at this name.

lol. he's literally in the AA team right now. Leading the goal kicking Imagine being average and making the AA squad lol.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

lol. he's literally in the AA team right now. Leading the goal kicking Imagine being average and making the AA squad last year. lol.

Get it right Dan, he is Barely Avfritsch.

 

[danster168]

Get it right Dan, he is Barely Avfritsch.

If 6 goals in a granny was average, what is Rayner's granny?

 

[danster168]

You seem to have an issue with Worpel as well Danster, why is that? He’s flourishing under Mitchell this year

no issues with worpedo at all. he's a good player. Another player who has produced better than Rayner, pretty much from the outset of being drafted.

 

[KissKiss]

lol. he's literally in the AA team right now. Leading the goal kicking Imagine being average and making the AA squad lol.

Having played 6 games while most have only played 4 is giving him a little bit of a leg up there

 

[danster168]

Having played 6 games while most have only played 4 is giving him a little bit of a leg up there

Still on top not bad for a guy at 188cm

 

[royboys4eva]

Rayner does need to be a lot more consistent. Most Lions fans would agree with that. He isn't going to be a consistent 25 disposal player. But, the touches he does get are normally high impact and last night he dominated the first qtr with a million clearances that set the Lions win up. Rayner is more damaging with 15 -18 disposals then some mids who get 30 touches and go sideways or backwards.

Also I think we can all agree that Cam Rayner has well and truly got Spargo covered by the length of the Flemington straight.

 

[danster168]

Rayner does need to be a lot more consistent. Most Lions fans would agree with that. He isn't going to be a consistent 25 disposal player. But, the touches he does get are normally high impact and last night he dominated the first qtr with a million clearances that set the Lions win up. Rayner is more damaging with 15 -18 disposals then some mids who get 30 touches and go sideways or backwards.

Also I think we can all agree that Cam Rayner has well and truly got Spargo covered by the length of the Flemington straight.

what makes you say his disposals are more damaging? Is he kicking goals with his disposals? No. is he getting metres gained with his disposals? No. His metres gained is horribly low. he doesn't run and carry the footy. He doesn't break lines.

He averages 12.7 disposals over his career. Spargo 11.2. I'm not saying Spargo is better but in terms of careers to date, it's quite close.

 

[bungalow_bill]

There is an update...

Barely AvFritsch.

danster168 fuming at this name.

Noticed the update lol

Also enjoyed Van Ruin

 

[Happy_Neale]

what makes you say his disposals are more damaging? Is he kicking goals with his disposals? No. is he getting metres gained with his disposals? No. His metres gained is horribly low. he doesn't run and carry the footy. He doesn't break lines.

He averages 12.7 disposals over his career. Spargo 11.2. I'm not saying Spargo is better but in terms of careers to date, it's quite close.

He had 7 score involvements and 2 direct assists to go with 412m gained. I’d say that’s pretty impactful wouldn’t you?

Spargo can’t even get a game lol. It’s not close whatsoever pal