Cam Rayner

[00Stinger]

He's expected to play his part just like anyone else in the team and he's doing that. Has been one of our better performers over the last couple of months.

You don't take kids at number 1 to play roles

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You don't take kids at number 1 to play roles

You don’t expect a 22yo off an ACL to be carrying his team either.

 

[00Stinger]

You don’t expect a 22yo off an ACL to be carrying his team either.

He did **** all the 3 previous years though.

Let's not pretend he was breaking out as a player before he did his knee

 

[ShooterMcGavin8]

How'd Petracca go early on ?

Rayner is trucking along fine

 

[BrownYouGun]

Cameron Rayner and Christian Petracca AFL Stats Comparison

Cameron Rayner and Christian Petracca AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Rayner's season (after missing a year from ACL) vs Petracca's age comparative season.

Disposals
15.4 v 18.7

Goals
0.9 v 1.0

Time on Ground
76% vs 88%

Not much difference, mostly due to playing less minutes as he's still building his tank, in part due to missing a year from doing an ACL.
Cam is the least of our worries this season, and expecting anything more than a solid contribution with occasional periods of quality this season is unrealistic.

 

[danster168]

Haha, you know your football Meteoric A true eye for spotting talent.

Goals and goal assists combined top 10, round 15:

1. Jeremy Cameron

5

Jeremy Cameron

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

54 (42/12)
2. Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

51 (36/15)
3. Charlie Curnow

35

Charlie Curnow

Age

29

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

49 (44/5)
4. Aaron Naughton

33

Aaron Naughton

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

0.8

1star

G

0.5

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.0

1star

48 (38/10)
5. Tom Lynch 42 (37/5)/Peter Wright (33/9)
7. Bayley Fritsch

31

Bayley Fritsch

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

10.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.7

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.8

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

41 (32/9)
8. Max King

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

39 (35/4)/Charlie Cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

31

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

(31/8)/Shai Bolton

10

Shai Bolton

Age

27

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

(26/13)

 

[scott_the_man]

You don't take kids at number 1 to play roles

Everyone plays a role, even your Petracca's and Olivers. Rayners role going forward is that high impact mid/forward and that's what we're grooming him as.

 

[danster168]

Cameron Rayner and Christian Petracca AFL Stats Comparison

Cameron Rayner and Christian Petracca AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Rayner's season (after missing a year from ACL) vs Petracca's age comparative season.

Disposals
15.4 v 18.7

Goals
0.9 v 1.0

Time on Ground
76% vs 88%

Not much difference, mostly due to playing less minutes as he's still building his tank, in part due to missing a year from doing an ACL.
Cam is the least of our worries this season, and expecting anything more than a solid contribution with occasional periods of quality this season is unrealistic.

Another way of looking at it is Petracca averaged 17.4 in his first season (the first season after his ACL) when he had no tank and played solely forward.

 

[Aucklander]

I remember watching him in 2 Grand Finals on consecutive weekends winning both games almost on his own. I thought he was better than Touk at that age and he's turned out ok.

 

[00Stinger]

How'd Petracca go early on ?

Rayner is trucking along fine

Around 19 touches and 1 goal a game average for his first 4 years while doing an ACL too

Comparatively Rayner is tracking no where near Petracca

 

[00Stinger]

Everyone plays a role, even your Petracca's and Olivers. Rayners role going forward is that high impact mid/forward and that's what we're grooming him as.

Then he needs to stop being a defensive liability through the midfield.

His defensive efforst on Thursday were horrible

 

[scott_the_man]

Then he needs to stop being a defensive liability through the midfield.

His defensive efforst on Thursday were horrible

If you are using defensive efforts as a metric, Rayner had twice as many tackles as Oliver and Petracca combined and also more pressure acts than both.

The game before that Rayner recorded a team high tackles and was 3rd for pressure acts.

 

[Elixuh]

If you are using defensive efforts as a metric, Rayner had twice as many tackles as Oliver and Petracca combined and also more pressure acts than both.

The game before that Rayner recorded a team high tackles and was 3rd for pressure acts.

I wouldn't waste your time bro

 

[ShooterMcGavin8]

Without looking at any stats you can clearly see he is becoming a brute in the middle. By next year numbers will continue to grow. Think 2023 he will break out and show his worth.

 

[scott_the_man]

Without looking at any stats you can clearly see he is becoming a brute in the middle. By next year numbers will continue to grow. Think 2023 he will break out and show his worth.

Agreed, he can break tackles and burst through a pack as good as anyone, just needs to do it more consistently but that will come in time.

 

[00Stinger]

If you are using defensive efforts as a metric, Rayner had twice as many tackles as Oliver and Petracca combined and also more pressure acts than both.

The game before that Rayner recorded a team high tackles and was 3rd for pressure acts.

He got a few tackles when the ball was in tight I'll give him that. But when the ball flicks around he us defensively lost

The footy on 'First Crack' was pretty damning

But I mean you guys are happy with him, so good luck

 

[scott_the_man]

He got a few tackles when the ball was in tight I'll give him that. But when the ball flicks around he us defensively lost

The footy on 'First Crack' was pretty damning

But I mean you guys are happy with him, so good luck

You're really clutching at straws now aren't you

 

[danster168]

Rayner train

Fritsch train

 

[Elixuh]

Rayner train

Fritsch train

Oh Danster you got us again with the post-midnight posts! You’re such a clever boy!

 

[danster168]

half way through the 3rd. 4 possessions. hahahaha.

At this stage, I'm actually starting to feel a little sorry for the fella.

And to have the audacity to mention him alongside Fritsch.
lol

 

[adammania9]

Another night of nothing from Rayner

 

[La Dispute]

His growth has been good this year, but the gap between his good and his bad is ridiculous.

You'd be flat watching him run around collecting 6 possessions in a winning game at Home.

 

[La Dispute]

One of the things I remember about Rayner's draft year was just how terrible his 3km time trial was. I think it was 13 minutes or more. At the time that was a massive red flag for me. Its understandable that it has taken him so long to get into the physical condition required to have high impact 20+ possession games.

To be fair to him he knew he was going number one regardless (good time trial - wow his fitness isn't so bad/bad time trial - wow he can still improve so much) and he only had Charlie Constable as a pace-setter.

Wonder what the Lions would do if they had their time again? Brayshaw is about as close to Neale as it gets (but still a likely choice), Dow is rubbish, LDU is similar-ish to Berry, Cerra similar-ish to McCluggage.

Rayner seems like a pretty OK choice as a difference-maker, just hasn't had the expected uptick.

Weird, weird draft.

 

[Checkered]

Bad game tonight for sure, good to give this thread a bit of fuel though. Danster would have been bricked up checking the stats all night

 

[danster168]

Bad game tonight for sure, good to give this thread a bit of fuel though. Danster would have been bricked up checking the stats all night

I'm just waiting for Meteoric to appear. I just think it's a bit rich to compare Rayner (who is still just an average player) to a guy who is top 8 in the afl goal kicking, 2 years in a row and kicked 6 in a granny. The nerve. And the disrespect.

I think Cameron gave him a goal out of pity at the end. And I was glad he did. I started feeling sorry for the guy.