Cam Rayner

[danster168]

Fritsch's lack of physicality stood out like dogs nuts last night.

In a game where physicallity and ability to win contests was paramount, he looked out of his depth.
He excels in games where there's no contest and he gets easy uncontested ball. Down hill skiier is the right word.

Fritsch's lack of physicality stood out like dogs nuts last night.

In a game where physicallity and ability to win contests was paramount, he looked out of his depth.
He excels in games where there's no contest and he gets easy uncontested ball. Down hill skiier is the right word.

haha laughable. not every player is going to attack the ball like a jack viney but fritsch goes as hard as anyone in the league in the air. he goes back with the flight when he needs to, he hits aerial contests with pace and vigour. he made the AA squad and rightly so.

He almost won a norm Smith and you're calling him a down hill skier? kidding yourself. he basically kept us in the game with his clutch goals.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

ANB ahead of Fritsch? Lay off the crack pipe my brother!

The standings from the 2021 Melbourne FC B&F, Fritsch’s best season so far…..Neal-Bullen 8th, Fritsch 11th. You may want to ask yourself why…

Final Leaderboard
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670 – Clayton Oliver

644 – Christian Petracca

542 – Max Gawn

522 – Christian Salem

498 – Jake Lever

487 – Ed Langdon

431 – Steven May

421 – Alex Neal-Bullen

408 – Tom McDonald

408 – Kysaiah Pickett

397 – Bayley Fritsch

 

[PieLebo87]

The standings from the 2021 Melbourne FC B&F, Fritsch’s best season so far…..Neal-Bullen 8th, Fritsch 11th. You may want to ask yourself why…

Final Leaderboard ​

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670 – Clayton Oliver

644 – Christian Petracca

542 – Max Gawn

522 – Christian Salem

498 – Jake Lever

487 – Ed Langdon

431 – Steven May

421 – Alex Neal-Bullen

408 – Tom McDonald

408 – Kysaiah Pickett

397 – Bayley Fritsch

You’ve got these two infront of you, you’re picking Fritsch everyday of the week.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You’ve got these two infront of you, you’re picking Fritsch everyday of the week.

I am not. You maybe. It depends whether you see receivers or contest winners as being more valuable in a footy team. It is clear what the Melbourne coaching staff who make the votes think. And they should be in the best position to know. Why do you think they gave Neal-Bullen more votes(and more votes per game) then Fritsch in Fritsch’s best season so far?

 

[PieLebo87]

I am not. You maybe. It depends whether you see receivers or contest winners as being more valuable in a footy team. It is clear what the Melbourne coaching staff who make the votes think. And they should be in the best position to know. Why do you think they gave Neal-Bullen more votes(and more votes per game) then Fritsch in Fritsch’s best season so far?

How Melbourne coaches vote their B&F doesn’t mean much to me when comparing which of the two players are better.

I’d be very confident that majority of people would pick Fritsch over ANB if given the choice. Even with the knowledge that ANB finished higher in their B&F voting in 2021. That’s a random bit of trivia to try and justify one player is better than the other tbh.

Baker finished higher in Richmond’s B&F than Bolton. You taking Baker over Bolton?

 

[13Beast]

You will be out in 1, not 2

How's the first day of the Melbourne Demons off-season going?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

How Melbourne coaches vote their B&F doesn’t mean much to me when comparing which of the two players are better.

I’d be very confident that majority of people would pick Fritsch over ANB if given the choice. Even with the knowledge that ANB finished higher in their B&F voting in 2021. That’s a random bit of trivia to try and justify one player is better than the other tbh.

Neal-Bullen is probably a lot better player than most people think. And Fritsch is probably a lesser player than most people think. He is a a receiver Fritsch, a good one but a receiver nonetheless. And as we saw last night, players like that have a certain limit to their value. I think with Fritsch a lot of people see he kicks 50 goals in a season and think that automatically makes him as good as other players who kick 50 in a season. But he isn’t near as good as others around him on the AFL goal kicking table. Those players are winning way more contests, bringing more balls to the ground, and having more score involvements than Fritsch. Don’t be fooled like danster168 .

 

[Bucking Bronco]

There would be clubs that would be willing to pay Fritsch $700K a year.

There would maybe be one club willing to pay Nealey $400K.

I like Nibbler though. He's decent.

As far as Rayner is concerned, he just doesn't have the finesse that Martin and Petracca have.

They're both great kicks, and cunning with the ball. Rayner is just like 'smash-smash-smash'.

He's probably more tracking towards a Josh Caddy

22

Josh Caddy

Age

33

Ht

186cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.5

5star

CL

2.5

4star

D

13.5

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.8

4star

in his prime type, and that's probably at best to be honest.

Caddy did finish top 10 in the Coleman one year.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

There would be clubs that would be willing to pay Fritsch $700K a year.

There would maybe be one club willing to pay Nealey $400K.

I like Nibbler though. He's decent.

As far as Rayner is concerned, he just doesn't have the finesse that Martin and Petracca have.

They're both great kicks, and cunning with the ball. Rayner is just like 'smash-smash-smash'.

He's probably more tracking towards a Josh Caddy in his prime type, and that's probably at best to be honest.

Caddy did finish top 10 in the Coleman one year.

No sane club is paying $700k - a marquee wage - to a player who finished outside the top 10 in his club B&F in his best season. $700k is what the 4th-5th best player at your club gets paid, unless you play for Carlton, in which case any campaigner gets $700k+. Fritsch is a 6-12 ranked player in a club. $500-550k wage type at his peak. Neal-Bullen may be considered a bit under that, but I wouldn’t be sure, he is likely to get another top 10 B&F finish this year I think.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

No sane club is paying $700k - a marquee wage - to a player who finished outside the top 10 in his club B&F in his best season. $700k is what the 4th-5th best player at your club gets paid, unless you play for Carlton, in which case any campaigner gets $700k+. Fritsch is a 6-12 ranked player in a club. $500-550k wage type at his peak. Neal-Bullen may be considered a bit under that, but I wouldn’t be sure, he is likely to get another top 10 B&F finish this year I think.

You have some misplaced idea in your head that top 10 placings in B&F = 10 top wage.

That's not how it works though.

Otherwise Rankine, who has never finished in his team's top 10 wouldn't be being offered $800K, nor McStay ($500K-$600K), who likewise has never finished in his team's top 10, as far as I'm aware.

Role players regularly finish high in club's B&Fs.

When I used to support Fremantle, Crowley won ahead of Fyfe, Pavlich, Sandilands and Mundy.

Would you have recommended Fremantle re-did all the player's contracts after that result?

A player in Fritsch who has finished 7th and 8th in the Coleman in the past 2 years, is likely a more valuable player in opposition club's eyes than Rankine, who in reality, the Crows can only hope will ever reach those heights.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

You have some misplaced idea in your head that top 10 placings in B&F = 10 top wage.

That's not how it works though.

Otherwise Rankine, who has never finished in his team's top 10 wouldn't be being offered $800K, nor McStay ($500K-$600K), who likewise has never finished in his team's top 10, as far as I'm aware.

Role players regularly finish high in club's B&Fs.

When I used to support Fremantle, Crowley won ahead of Fyfe, Pavlich, Sandilands and Mundy.

Would you have recommended Fremantle re-did all the player's contracts after that result?

A player in Fritsch who has finished 7th and 8th in the Coleman in the past 2 years, is likely a more valuable player in opposition club's eyes than Rankine, who in reality, the Crows can only hope will ever reach those heights.

I don’t think B & F finishes correlate perfectly to a player’s value. But Fritsch is not a top 5-6 type player at a club. He just isn’t. You are blinded by the amount of goals he kicks. He brings nothing else whatsoever to the table. No tackles, no pressure, no contest, no creating opportunities for others. So his 50 goals is not like another player kicking 50 goals.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

I don’t think B & F finishes correlate perfectly to a player’s value. But Fritsch is not a top 5-6 type player at a club. He just isn’t. You are blinded by the amount of goals he kicks. He brings nothing else whatsoever to the table. No tackles, no pressure, no contest, no creating opportunities for others. So his 50 goals is not like another player kicking 50 goals.

He would be a top 6 player at a lot of clubs, lol.

Ranked #12 for assists for forwards this year and #24 all up.

Pretty good for someone who also kicked the 7th most goals.

He might not tackle or pressure, but that's not his job to do, he is more of a pseudo-key forward, with his aerial ability.

Spargo, Pickett and Neale-Bullen are there for that.

 

[danster168]

Lol. When Fritsch was named in the AA squad it really put a nail in Meteroics coffin. I wonder how many other players in the squad he doesn't think are good afl players lol

 

[Listclogger]

I could have sworn this thread was about Cam Rayner.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

He would be a top 6 player at a lot of clubs, lol.

Ranked #12 for assists for forwards this year and #24 all up.

Pretty good for someone who also kicked the 7th most goals.

He might not tackle or pressure, but that's not his job to do, he is more of a pseudo-key forward, with his aerial ability.

Spargo, Pickett and Neale-Bullen are there for that.

Fritsch is AFL number 76th for average goal assists in 2022 with 5 other players. Rayner is above him on that score. He is 14th for average goals. This is a guy who doesn’t win his own ball or tackle or create anything for team-mates. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think he is a top end player.

 

[Bucking Bronco]

Fritsch is AFL number 76th for average goal assists in 2022 with 5 other players. Rayner is above him on that score. He is 14th for average goals. This is a guy who doesn’t win his own ball or tackle or create anything for team-mates. You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think he is a top end player.

 

[danster168]

Dont forget the loss was
1) At home
2) Heavily favourites
3) Beaten Lions easily the last few times
4) Lions couldnt win at the MCG for YEARS

Easy game for Melb.

hey, I'm not jack ginnivan. I didn't go around saying 'light work'. Footy is footy. Upsets happen every week. Just a bad time to happen for Melbourne fans. Bad kicking is bad football.

 

[danster168]

Cam Rayner not doing much. 7 touches, 90 metres gained. Semi decent first quarter by Rayners standards, invisible in the 2nd quarter.

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Cam Rayner not doing much. 7 touches, 90 metres gained. Semi decent first quarter by Rayners standards, invisible in the 2nd quarter.

Is this a joke? Seems to be the only one getting them going

 

[La Dispute]

Cam Rayner not doing much. 7 touches, 90 metres gained. Semi decent first quarter by Rayners standards, invisible in the 2nd quarter.

Are you watching the game?

He’s been one of the few slowing down and backing his kicking skills in the forward half.

Easily been one of Brisbane’s best so far.

 

[danster168]

Is this a joke? Seems to be the only one getting them going

One of the lowest ranked players on the ground.

* He heard my rocket and got a nice clearance.

 

[danster168]

Are you watching the game?

He’s been one of the few slowing down and backing his kicking skills in the forward half.

Easily been one of Brisbane’s best so far.

backing his kicking skills in the first half? He had 3 kicks and 0 inside 50's....

 

[Hollow Knight]

Fantasy football and easy access to stats has turned a lot of football watchers into simpletons.

 

[Hollow Knight]

He’s injured now, hope you’re enjoying yourself Danster.

Low altitude flyer.

 

[royboys4eva]

Rayner was actually playing a decent game before he got injured. One of the few Lions players crashing in. Won a couple 50/50 contests. He's never going to be a 25+ disposal player. Hoping his injury isn't serious ? If he can have a good pre season I hope he takes his game to the level we know can achieve and showed against St Kilda this year.