Cam Rayner

[irel]

No-one has managed to tell me how Rayner is any different to last year? I think we can all agree that Rayner was a big disappointment for those that held any hope in him becoming a serviceable player.

C'mon that was one of the great 20 possession games of all time. Legendary.

 

[Checkered]

I think the real reason Rayner's influence died off in the second half is because Gawn got sick of watching him dominate the clearances and instead reverted to trying to grab literally everything direct out of the ruck

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Are you an owl?

LAITHAM VANDERMEER

Ah yes, I particularly enjoyed his watercolours. Some say Rembrandt was the best of the Dutch Masters, but to me Vandermeer was always better at conveying emotions and the absurdity of life on a canvas.

 

[Hollow Knight]

For those who still cynically doubt Danster’s proven ability to rate players using stats, may I point out he was the first person to recognise the All-Australian potential of Harrison Petty

35

Harrison Petty

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

120.7

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

127.6

3star

.

 

[Elixuh]

For those who still cynically doubt Danster’s proven ability to rate players using stats, may I point out he was the first person to recognise the All-Australian potential of Harrison Petty.

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Anyone can take live stats from 3min into the game HK, cmon. Can you post his stats at the conclusion of the game?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Anyone can take live stats from 3min into the game HK, cmon. Can you post his stats at the conclusion of the game?

Yeah, it’s that bloody dodgy AFL app again I assume.

I expect it to update and show us Petty in his All-Australian glory any second now.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Come on danster168 it is finally time for you to fess up you got a few things major league wrong.

The guy you rated as the 19th best player in that 2017 redraft you mangled, Charles Spargo, cannot even get a game.

The player you rated the 4th best player in your redraft, Barely AvFritsch or whatever his name is, gets 5 disposals, 4 of those when the game was all over as a contest. 2 contested possessions, lol.

And the player you hilariously rated 30th best player in that draft, Rayner, had basically killed the contest by 1/4 time, a very rare feat.

I think your heart was just beating a bit too true for the red and the blue when you ****ed that up so badly Dan.

 

[danster168]

Come on danster168 it is finally time for you to fess up you got a few things major league wrong.

The guy you rated as the 19th best player in that 2017 redraft you mangled, Charles Spargo, cannot even get a game.

The player you rated the 4th best player in your redraft, Barely AvFritsch or whatever his name is, gets 5 disposals, 4 of those when the game was all over as a contest. 2 contested possessions, lol.

And the player you hilariously rated 30th best player in that draft, Rayner, had basically killed the contest by 1/4 time, a very rare feat.

I think your heart was just beating a bit too true for the red and the blue when you ****ed that up so badly Dan.

LOL What are you banging on about? Rayner has been trash this season. 1 game doesn't change his poor games this year does it.

You overreacted to his Collingwood game last year and got embarrassed as Rayner didn't fire a shot the rest of the year. Don't make the same mistake again.

p.s. Fritsch made the AA squad. you destroyed your credibility and lost that debate forever.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

LOL What are you banging on about? Rayner has been trash this season. 1 game doesn't change his poor games this year does it.

You overreacted to his Collingwood game last year and got embarrassed as Rayner didn't fire a shot the rest of the year. Don't make the same mistake again.

p.s. Fritsch made the AA squad. you destroyed your credibility and lost that debate forever.

AA squad lol. Nothing short of a joke.

2024 player ratings: Cam Rayner 11.08 v Barely AvFritsch 9.52.

2023 Melbourne finished 5th, Barely AvFritsch NOT IN TOP 10 B & F. v Cam Rayner playing for a team who were 1 goal short of winning the flag...5th in the B & F.

Fritsch is K Mart Kyle Langford. Rayner has now gone straight past him.

Barely AvFritsch worth pick 4....

Just do the honourable thing Dan and admit, Fritsch is not worth anywhere near that, and Rayner is clearly worth way more than the pick 30 you rated him. And he is making a mess of your pre-season stats predictions. What were they again?

 

[dmac_55]

LOL What are you banging on about? Rayner has been trash this season. 1 game doesn't change his poor games this year does it.

You overreacted to his Collingwood game last year and got embarrassed as Rayner didn't fire a shot the rest of the year. Don't make the same mistake again.

p.s. Fritsch made the AA squad. you destroyed your credibility and lost that debate forever.

Can we have the 29 players ranked above Rayner from the draft?

Your original and then the updated version to round 5 2024.

Time for a redraft

 

[danster168]

AA squad lol. Nothing short of a joke.

2024 player ratings: Cam Rayner 11.08 v Barely AvFritsch 9.52.

2023 Melbourne finished 5th, Barely AvFritsch NOT IN TOP 10 B & F. v Cam Rayner playing for a team who were 1 goal short of winning the flag...5th in the B & F.

Fritsch is K Mart Kyle Langford. Rayner has now gone straight past him.

Barely AvFritsch worth pick 4....

Just do the honourable thing Dan and admit, Fritsch is not worth anywhere near that, and Rayner is clearly worth way more than the pick 30 you rated him. And he is making a mess of your pre-season stats predictions. What were they again?

I won't be addressing Fritsch. You lost that argument convincingly last season. As soon as he made the AA squad, he showed he was elite. If kicking 6 in a granny wasn't enough lol. Unfortunately, you're gonna have to take to L.

Compare Rayner to a Jack Billings type, not to one of the great AFL forwards.

 

[danster168]

Can we have the 29 players ranked above Rayner from the draft?

Your original and then the updated version to round 5 2024.

Time for a redraft

The29 above Rayner have been listed previously. And all 29 are still above Rayner. Imagine over-reacting to 1 game of football. Good God, didn't anyone learn their lesson last season? lol.

James Worpel. Same draft as Rayner: Averaging 27 touches a game this year. Rayner 17 Miiiiillllllllleeeess ahead of Rayner.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Can we have the 29 players ranked above Rayner from the draft?

Your original and then the updated version to round 5 2024.

Time for a redraft

From memory...

4 Barely AvFritsch, Melbourne FC


18 Harrison Petty, Melbourne FC
19 Charles Spargo, Melbourne FC





30 Cam Rayner.


But no bias there.

He had them all in there ahead of Rayner. Dan listed one player twice ahead of Rayner, and another 1-2 who weren't even in that draft ahead of Rayner. Anything to demote Rayner.

 

[danster168]

25 Players without doubt ahead of Rayner:
Brayshaw
LDU
Cerra
Fritsch
Naughton
Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

Brent Daniels

16

Brent Daniels

Age

26

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.9

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

Balta
Worpel
Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

De Koning
Liam Ryan

31

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

McCartin
Gryan Miers

32

Gryan Miers

Age

26

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.4

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

15.3

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.2

4star

Xerri
L.Baker
D.Moore
Mihocek
Petty
Amartey
W.Powell
Higgins
Starcevich
Nathan Murphy

28

Nathan Murphy

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

3star

MG

176.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

176.5

3star

So we can start negotiations at 26:
But we have the following players that can be put ahead of Rayner: Ed Richards

20

Ed Richards

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

, Fogarty, Ainsworth, Farrell, Switkowski, Holman.

So Rayner is in the 26-32 range of his draft alone. At best, at very best, he has been the 26th best player of his draft.

People overreacting to 1 game is hilarious. Same thing happened last year. People really need another Rayner lesson? lol.

Btw: Nick Holman Round 9, 2018: 25 touches, 8 tackles. Everyone has good games in them.

 

[dmac_55]

Just looking at the 2017 draft, what a talent pool. Must be one of the deepest the AFL have ever had! What a stacked draft and deep, the value from 20 onwards especially!

42+ contributors at least from a draft!

1- Cam Rayner
2 - Andrew Brayshaw

8

Andrew Brayshaw

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.3

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

2.1

4star

D

18.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.1

4star

D

12.6

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.8

3star

4 - LDU
5 - Adam Cerra
6 - Jaiden Stephenson
9 - Aaron Naughton

33

Aaron Naughton

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

0.8

1star

G

0.5

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.0

1star

11 - Aiden Bonar

16

Aiden Bonar

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.8

5star

MG

101.0

2star

D

9.5

2star

K

4.0

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.5

4star

MG

101.0

2star

D

10.8

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

12 - Darcy Fogarty

32

Darcy Fogarty

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.2

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

1.0

4star

15 - Zac Bailey

33

Zac Bailey

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

CL

0.9

3star

D

12.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

3star

CL

0.7

3star

D

13.4

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.6

3star

16 - Ed Richards

20

Ed Richards

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.1

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

17 - Jack Higgins
18 - Brandon Starcevich

4

Brandon Starcevich

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

185.3

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

7.3

3star

HB

2.3

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.1

3star

MG

187.9

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

181.2

3star

19 - Will Powell

21- Oscar Allen

4

Oscar Allen

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.1

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.2

4star

24 - Tim Kelly

11

Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

25 - Noah Balta

21

Noah Balta

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

6.7

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.9

4star

MG

236.3

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

5.3

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.3

1star

MG

233.0

4star

D

7.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.0

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

217.4

4star

26 - Liam Ryan

31

Liam Ryan

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.9

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

1.9

1star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

27 - Brent Daniels

16

Brent Daniels

Age

26

Ht

172cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.4

3star

D

10.3

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.9

2star

T

1.9

3star

G

0.0

1star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.8

4star

28 - Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

30 - Tom De Koning

21

Tom De Koning

Age

26

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

31 - Bailey Fritsch
33 - Tom McCartin

30

Tom Mccartin

Age

26

Ht

194cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

129.5

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

0.8

1star

MG

87.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

168.0

3star

37 - Harrison Petty

35

Harrison Petty

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

120.7

2star

No current season stats available

D

9.8

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

127.6

3star

38 - Jack Petruccelle

21

Jack Petruccelle

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

6.2

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

6.7

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.7

2star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.3

2star

G

0.7

4star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

39 - Nathan Murphy

28

Nathan Murphy

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

3star

MG

176.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

4star

MG

176.5

3star

42 - Charlie Ballard

10

Charlie Ballard

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

8.8

3star

HB

3.1

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

185.6

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.6

2star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.3

2star

MG

158.9

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

156.0

3star

45 - James Worpel

29

James Worpel

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.2

5star

HB

11.3

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.5

5star

CL

5.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

15.6

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

9.4

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.8

4star

54 - Jack Payne
57 - Grian Miers
66- Brandon Zerk Thatcher
67 - Dylan Moore

8

Dylan Moore

Age

26

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.1

2star

HB

6.7

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

69 - Lloyd Meek
72 - Tristan Xerri

38

Tristan Xerri

Age

26

Ht

202cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.5

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.5

2star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.5

5star

D

5.5

1star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.5

2star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.5

5star

D

5.5

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

2.5

3star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

2.5

5star

73 - Sam Switkowski

39

Sam Switkowski

Age

29

Ht

179cm

Wt

74kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

4.0

5star

G

0.4

3star

76 - Matt Guelfi

35

Matt Guelfi

Age

28

Ht

184cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

6.1

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.2

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

G

0.0

1star

D

17.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.2

3star

Rookie Draft:
5 - Bailey Banfield

41

Bailey Banfield

Age

27

Ht

190cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.9

3star

T

3.9

5star

MG

175.5

3star

D

9.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.8

4star

MG

109.5

2star

D

14.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

6.8

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.2

5star

MG

200.4

4star

18 - Liam Baker

3

Liam Baker

Age

28

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.7

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

CL

0.5

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

CL

1.2

4star

19 - Nick Holman
22 - Brody Mihocek

28

Brody Mihocek

Age

32

Ht

192cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

8.2

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.6

5star

D

8.4

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

2.1

2star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.9

3star

G

1.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.6

5star

28 - Joel Amartey

Cat B rookies
Jack Buckley
Changkuoth Jiath

14

Changkuoth Jiath

Age

26

Ht

185cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.5

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

91.0

1star

No current season stats available

D

14.5

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.5

4star

MG

91.0

2star

 

[Meteoric Rise]

25 Players without doubt ahead of Rayner:
Brayshaw
LDU
Cerra
Fritsch
Naughton
Zac Bailey
Tim Kelly
Brent Daniels
Balta
Worpel
Sam Taylor
De Koning
Liam Ryan
McCartin
Gryan Miers
Xerri
L.Baker
D.Moore
Mihocek
Petty
Amartey
W.Powell
Higgins
Starcevich
Nathan Murphy

So we can start negotiations at 26:
But we have the following players that can be put ahead of Rayner: Ed Richards, Fogarty, Ainsworth, Farrell, Switkowski, Holman.

So Rayner is in the 26-32 range of his draft alone. At best, at very best, he has been the 26th best player of his draft.

Your actual list:

1. Naughton
2. Brayshaw
3. Tim Kelly
4. Fritsch
5. Zac Bailey
6. Oscar Allen
7. Cerra
8. Davies-Uniacke
9. Liam Ryan
10. Balta
11. Wil Powell
12. Starcevich
13. Sam Taylor
14. Dylan Moore
15. Liam Baker
16. Tom McCartin
17. Mihocek
18. Spargo
19. Worpel
20. Brent Daniels
21. Petty
-------------------------------------
22. Miers
23. Switkowski
24. Ben Paton
25. Xerrie
26. Ainsworth
27. Paton
28. Jack Higgins
29. Roarke Smith
30. Rayner
31. Nick Holman

You had Roarke Smith above Cam Rayner.

Spargo 18 wtf.

Ainsworth above him who barely played a game and was promptly delisted by the Eagles.

Starcevich at 12, lol.

Both "Paton" at 27 and "Ben Paton" at 24, so you rated him both better and worse than Xerri and Ainsworth.

What a mess danster168

 

[LeppaMessiah]

25 Players without doubt ahead of Rayner:
Brayshaw
LDU
Cerra
Fritsch
Naughton
Zac Bailey
Tim Kelly
Brent Daniels
Balta
Worpel
Sam Taylor
De Koning
Liam Ryan
McCartin
Gryan Miers
Xerri
L.Baker
D.Moore
Mihocek
Petty
Amartey
W.Powell
Higgins
Starcevich
Nathan Murphy

So we can start negotiations at 26:
But we have the following players that can be put ahead of Rayner: Ed Richards, Fogarty, Ainsworth, Farrell, Switkowski, Holman.

So Rayner is in the 26-32 range of his draft alone. At best, at very best, he has been the 26th best player of his draft.

People overreacting to 1 game is hilarious. Same thing happened last year. People really need another Rayner lesson? lol.

Btw: Nick Holman Round 9, 2018: 25 touches, 8 tackles. Everyone has good games in them.

God damn I’d love a poll to see who BigFooty punters would rather have in their team between Cam Rayner and Gryan Miers.

 

[danster168]

God damn I’d love a poll to see who BigFooty punters would rather have in their team between Cam Rayner and Gryan Miers.

98% Miers.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Just looking at the 2017 draft, what a talent pool. Must be one of the deepest the AFL have ever had! What a stacked draft and deep, the value from 20 onwards especially!

42+ contributors at least from a draft!

1- Cam Rayner
2 - Andrew Brayshaw
4 - LDU
5 - Adam Cerra
6 - Jaiden Stephenson
9 - Aaron Naughton
11 - Aiden Bonar
12 - Darcy Fogarty
15 - Zac Bailey
16 - Ed Richards
17 - Jack Higgins
18 - Brandon Starcevich
19 - Will Powell

21- Oscar Allen
24 - Tim Kelly
25 - Noah Balta
26 - Liam Ryan
27 - Brent Daniels
28 - Sam Taylor
30 - Tom De Koning
31 - Bailey Fritsch
33 - Tom McCartin
37 - Harrison Petty
38 - Jack Petruccelle
39 - Nathan Murphy
42 - Charlie Ballard
45 - James Worpel
54 - Jack Payne
57 - Grian Miers
66- Brandon Zerk Thatcher
67 - Dylan Moore
69 - Lloyd Meek
72 - Tristan Xerri
73 - Sam Switkowski
76 - Matt Guelfi

Rookie Draft:
5 - Bailey Banfield
18 - Liam Baker
19 - Nick Holman
22 - Brody Mihocek
28 - Joel Amartey

Cat B rookies
Jack Buckley
Changkuoth Jiath

This was a very even draft relative to other drafts, so much more difficult to nail the number 1 pick, or any high pick, than in other drafts.

 

[Dazb86]

God damn I’d love a poll to see who BigFooty punters would rather have in their team between Cam Rayner and Gryan Miers.

Gryan Miers is probably the premier half forward in the league.

Not even a contest.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Jesus Christ.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Gryan Miers is probably the premier half forward in the league.

Not even a contest.

I have been Miers' biggest critic over the years, but he is a genuinely good player now he has overcome his morbid fear of body contact. But he is not a more valuable player than Cam Rayner.

 

[dmac_55]

This was a very even draft relative to other drafts, so much more difficult to nail the number 1 pick, or any high pick, than in other drafts.

The depth of talent taken from pick 20 through the rookie draft would probably never be matched.

Can danster168 put Rayner amongst the 2016 or 2018 draft for comparisons sake?

 

[danster168]

Your actual list:

1. Naughton
2. Brayshaw
3. Tim Kelly
4. Fritsch
5. Zac Bailey
6. Oscar Allen
7. Cerra
8. Davies-Uniacke
9. Liam Ryan
10. Balta
11. Wil Powell
12. Starcevich
13. Sam Taylor
14. Dylan Moore
15. Liam Baker
16. Tom McCartin
17. Mihocek
18. Spargo
19. Worpel
20. Brent Daniels
21. Petty
-------------------------------------
22. Miers
23. Switkowski
24. Ben Paton
25. Xerrie
26. Ainsworth
27. Paton
28. Jack Higgins
29. Roarke Smith
30. Rayner
31. Nick Holman

You had Roarke Smith above Cam Rayner.

Spargo 18 wtf.

Ainsworth above him who barely played a game and was promptly delisted by the Eagles.

Starcevich at 12, lol.

Both "Paton" at 27 and "Ben Paton" at 24, so you rated him both better and worse than Xerri and Ainsworth.

What a mess danster168

It's obviously a rolling list. Other than that, it's pretty accurate and it still puts Rayner around 30 as other players have jumped up.

Your list had Rayner above Fritsch.LOL! Fritsch is top 4 or 5 in this draft. Maybe higher.

 

[danster168]

I have been Miers' biggest critic over the years, but he is a genuinely good player now he has overcome his morbid fear of body contact. But he is not a more valuable player than Cam Rayner.

Laughable. Rayner is a spud. People talk about Miers as an AA calibre player. No-one will ever mention Rayner in such a fashion.