Cam Rayner

[Toffee Lion]

This can all be fixed by simply labelling him a "high impact" player, ala Gary Rohan.

I need a sample of what's considered a "low impact" player, would that be Harrison Petty?

 

[Delisted]

I need a sample of what's considered a "low impact" player, would that be Harrison Petty?

E. Hippwood

 

[Elixuh]

Logan Morris the Titanic Sub again

You know Rayner is DOMINATING a game when Danny starts talking about first year gun forward Logan Morris.

 

[danster168]

You know Rayner is DOMINATING a game when Danny starts talking about first year gun forward Logan Morris.

honestly, I came home after the dees game and started watching after half time. Was Rayner even playing?

Nice deflection on Morris though. I see you're still calling him a gun Mr Sub. :0

 

[Elixuh]

honestly, I came home after the dees game and started watching after half time. Was Rayner even playing?

Nice deflection on Morris though. I see you're still calling him a gun Mr Sub. :0

Danny you've gotta stay on message, this is the Cam Rayner thread not the young gun forward Logan Morris thread. You're diluting your very important message and getting distracted.

 

[danster168]

Danny you've gotta stay on message, this is the Cam Rayner thread not the young gun forward Logan Morris thread. You're diluting your very important message and getting distracted.

haha. more than happy to talk about Rayner. How do you find his season?

It's about as relevant as Mattaes Philippou playing a good game.

Unfortunately for you, the only thing moving the needle for Rayner is a 30 touch, 3-4 goal game. 9 possessions is now celebrated? dear oh dear. the prosecution rests.

 

[Elixuh]

haha. more than happy to talk about Rayner. How do you find his season?

It's about as relevant as Mattaes Philippou playing a good game.

Unfortunately for you, the only thing moving the needle for Rayner is a 30 touch, 3-4 goal game. 9 possessions is now celebrated? dear oh dear. the prosecution rests.

Not many forwards get 30 possessions a game Danny, I mean banana fritter played in a drubbing today and only got 11. Cam is having a marvelous year, I just wish you could be happy for him.

 

[danster168]

Not many forwards get 30 possessions a game Danny, I mean banana fritter played in a drubbing today and only got 11. Cam is having a marvelous year, I just wish you could be happy for him.

but I thought he was the prototype burst mid? or are you conceding that was an epic fail? just like his move to the backline?

Correct, Fritta, had 11 and no-one is saying he played well. Neither would 9 touches.

 

[mighty_lions]

honestly, I came home after the dees game and started watching after half time. Was Rayner even playing?

Nice deflection on Morris though. I see you're still calling him a gun Mr Sub. :0

games against west coast don't count and I think you might find your friend Windsor was subbed before morris was, our hero gunners kicked 6 against them last year, we don't all get to play west coast twice in 7 weeks a challenge that proved to great for the mighty demons when 1 man child dominated them

 

[Elixuh]

but I thought he was the prototype burst mid? or are you conceding that was an epic fail? just like his move to the backline?

Correct, Fritta, had 11 and no-one is saying he played well. Neither would 9 touches.

The problem is we don't have a dedicated banana fritter thread with 134 pages of posts.

Unfortunately Cam is only able to have stints in the midfield this year because we have too many gun mids to fit into the team taking into account our Ashcroft rorts. Just like petty going forward for an entire season to kick 4 goals, we have to recalibrate expectations as the facts change. And the facts are that Rayner is having a marvelous year!

 

[danster168]

games against west coast don't count and I think you might find your friend Windsor was subbed before morris was, our hero gunners kicked 6 against them last year, we don't all get to play west coast twice in 7 weeks a challenge that proved to great for the mighty demons when 1 man child dominated them

I guess it doesn't matter who the opposition is when you're back to back weeks as subbed out/starting sub. Nah, we're comparing Logan Morris to Fritsch, Kozzie and Van Rooyen because apparently Mr. Sub is better than any of our forwards.

Too much of a challenge? Dude, you essentially lost to us only last week without Petracca and horrendous 1 sided umpiring. And you scraped over the line against the crows. Not sure, what you're banging on about.

As my friend Elixuh has said, let's remain on Rayner. Bit hard to talk anymore about Mr.Sub until he plays.

 

[danster168]

The problem is we don't have a dedicated banana fritter thread with 134 pages of posts.

Unfortunately Cam is only able to have stints in the midfield this year because we have too many gun mids to fit into the team taking into account our Ashcroft rorts. Just like petty going forward for an entire season to kick 4 goals, we have to recalibrate expectations as the facts change. And the facts are that Rayner is having a marvelous year!

If Rayner was good/fit enough, he would've taken all 12 of Bailey's cba's and had 18 for the match.

Rayner is having a poor year because he hasn't improved on last season. And still is in the 14-16 touches, 1 goal a game stat line.

Let's have a look at Brent Daniels, same draft. 29 touches, 11 tackles. So far ahead of Rayner it isn't funny. Lets have a look at some others in the same draft and see how they went:

Worpel, 27 touches and 1 goal, 7 tackles.

Dylan Moore: 26 touches, 2 goals.

Lloyd Meek: 47 hitouts and 13 touches.

Xerri: 17 touches, 35 hitout, 1 goal, 7 tackles.

LDU having 30 and 1 goal.

Oscar Allen kicking 4.3 today.

Jack Higgins, also kicking 3.1 but against the top team.

Ed Richards, always playing well.

Bailey Banfield: 17 touches.

Switkowski: 14 touches, 7 tackles, 1 goal.

Tom De Koning having 24 touches in the ruck and laying 5 tackles.


Rayner is still the 32-35th best player in his draft. And it's almost un-arguable at this point. Half the brissy fans want him dropped.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Rayner the 144th ranked player to play more than 5 games in 2024. That means he is around the 8th best performer in an average team.

danster168 will be very angry about this.

Danster's laughable pick 4 nomination Barely Avfritsch is a mile back below Rayner's 2024 output. Outside the top 200 rated players. Ouch.

 

[mighty_lions]

I guess it doesn't matter who the opposition is when you're back to back weeks as subbed out/starting sub. Nah, we're comparing Logan Morris to Fritsch, Kozzie and Van Rooyen because apparently Mr. Sub is better than any of our forwards.

Too much of a challenge? Dude, you essentially lost to us only last week without Petracca and horrendous 1 sided umpiring. And you scraped over the line against the crows. Not sure, what you're banging on about.

As my friend Elixuh has said, let's remain on Rayner. Bit hard to talk anymore about Mr.Sub until he plays.

twice Danny we've been through this

 

[danster168]

Rayner the 144th ranked player to play more than 5 games in 2024. That means he is around the 8th best performer in an average team.

danster168 will be very angry about this.

Danster's laughable pick 4 nomination Barely Avfritsch is a mile back below Rayner's 2024 output. Outside the top 200 rated players. Ouch.

haha, you and your flawed ranking systems. no-one cares mate. You didn't have the courage to predict his season averages. Only I did and I mastered them again! Bow down and pray to me.

Lol. Unfortunately you lost your rights to comment on Fritsch when he kicked 6 in a granny and made the AA squad the next year. Let me know when Spudner does that Oh wait, he won the Leon Davis medal for the worst player in a granny.

 

[Toffee Lion]

If Rayner was good/fit enough, he would've taken all 12 of Bailey's cba's and had 18 for the match.

Rayner is having a poor year because he hasn't improved on last season. And still is in the 14-16 touches, 1 goal a game stat line.

Let's have a look at Brent Daniels, same draft. 29 touches, 11 tackles. So far ahead of Rayner it isn't funny. Lets have a look at some others in the same draft and see how they went:

Worpel, 27 touches and 1 goal, 7 tackles.

Dylan Moore: 26 touches, 2 goals.

Lloyd Meek: 47 hitouts and 13 touches.

Xerri: 17 touches, 35 hitout, 1 goal, 7 tackles.

LDU having 30 and 1 goal.

Oscar Allen kicking 4.3 today.

Jack Higgins, also kicking 3.1 but against the top team.

Ed Richards, always playing well.

Bailey Banfield: 17 touches.

Switkowski: 14 touches, 7 tackles, 1 goal.

Tom De Koning having 24 touches in the ruck and laying 5 tackles.


Rayner is still the 32-35th best player in his draft. And it's almost un-arguable at this point. Half the brissy fans want him dropped.

Some solid stat finding Dan, love your work.

Interesting to see Higgins & Allen the only other ones to kick 3 or more! Really highlights how well Rayner played, appreciate it! Have you got your membership yet? Still time.

 

[danster168]

Some solid stat finding Dan, love your work.

Interesting to see Higgins & Allen the only other ones to kick 3 or more! Really highlights how well Rayner played, appreciate it! Have you got your membership yet? Still time.

When Brisbane delist/trade Rayner I'll consider it.

14.2 touches, 1 goal per game. is the very definition of average.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Should just be renamed the 'Lions supporters vs Danny' thread.

 

[CarterS]

Lol. Unfortunately you lost your rights to comment on Fritsch when he kicked 6 in a granny and made the AA squad the next year.

Let's just close the thread because this is the reply to every post at this point.

 

[janty]

Anyone else excited for the “Logan Morris” thread danster is going to start in 2026?

 

[Happy_Neale]

Ed Richards, always playing well.

Really love the objective and not all flawed measures you have used in your arguments throughout this thread Dan.

 

[Elixuh]

Should just be renamed the 'Lions supporters vs Danny' thread.

We’re not against Danny. Danny is our friend.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

If Rayner was good/fit enough, he would've taken all 12 of Bailey's cba's and had 18 for the match.

Rayner is having a poor year because he hasn't improved on last season. And still is in the 14-16 touches, 1 goal a game stat line.

Let's have a look at Brent Daniels, same draft. 29 touches, 11 tackles. So far ahead of Rayner it isn't funny. Lets have a look at some others in the same draft and see how they went:

Worpel, 27 touches and 1 goal, 7 tackles.

Dylan Moore: 26 touches, 2 goals.

Lloyd Meek: 47 hitouts and 13 touches.

Xerri: 17 touches, 35 hitout, 1 goal, 7 tackles.

LDU having 30 and 1 goal.

Oscar Allen kicking 4.3 today.

Jack Higgins, also kicking 3.1 but against the top team.

Ed Richards, always playing well.

Bailey Banfield: 17 touches.

Switkowski: 14 touches, 7 tackles, 1 goal.

Tom De Koning having 24 touches in the ruck and laying 5 tackles.


Rayner is still the 32-35th best player in his draft. And it's almost un-arguable at this point. Half the brissy fans want him dropped.

Let's see what a less biased, totally objective system of ratings says about the 2017 draft crop right now then shall we Danster? You know, the one that takes into account all offensive and defensive performance, plus contest and efficiency stats, plus impact, based on average 2024 performance....

1. Uniacke 15.45
2. Xerri 14.86
3. DeKoning 14.63
4. Worpel 14.48
5. Richards 13.70
6. Meek 13.47
7. T Kelly 12.87
8. Miers 12.73
9. Dyl Moore 12.71
10. Andrew Brayshaw 12.07
11. L Baker 11.29
12. B Miller 11.24
13. Naughton 11.18
14. Cerra 11.13
15. Bailey 11.09
16. Higgins 10.80
17. Switkowski 10.76
18. Daniels 10.74
19. Rayner 10.35
20. D Fogarty 10.09
21. Guelfi 10.07
22. S Taylor 10.01
23. W Powell 10.00
24. K Farrell 9.81
25. T McCartin 9.52
26. Barely Avfritsch 9.09
27. L Fogarty 9.07
28. P Dow 9.00
29. H Clark 8.56
30. L Ryan 8.55
31. Ballard 8.53
32. Mihocek 8.52
33. Balta 8.32
34. L Murphy 7.6
35. J Payne 7.16
36. B Zerk 7.06
37. J Stephenson 6.65
38. Petrucelle 6.48
39. Starcevich 6.39
40. J Amartey 5.68
41. Coleman-Jones 4.07
42. B Paton 3.47
43. H Petty 3.11
44. C Spargo 2.50
45. Coffield 2.27
46. O Allen 2.11


Of the players turning 25yo this year(born 1999), ie the natural bottom age for the 2017 draft, Rayner rates 16th on 2024 average performance. Petty rates 44th, Spargo 45th. And there are 47 players born 1999 playing. For disposals in this age group, Rayner rates 17th in 2024. For goals he rates 10th. For goal assists he rates 13th. For contsted possessions he rates 12th. For offensive 1 v 1 contest win % he rates 8th. Contested marks 14th. Centre clearances 12th. Total clearances 12th. Tackles 16th. Pressure acts 12th. So if you rate Rayner on his 2024 performance, he is somewhere in the mid to high teens for his age group overall.

If you put all these guys into a trade auction at the end of this season, that is where Rayner would go, in the 15-20 range. A bit below my prediction of 10th that was made a couple of years ago on this thread. Way above Dan's prediction of 30th.

Fritsch of course would go nowhere near Dan's prediction of 4th. He would struggle to fetch a bid in the top 30 from this deep and even draft crop.

Of the players born 1996, turning 28yo this year, Barely Avfritsch rates 21st of the 39 players that have played based on 2024 performance. But he has made a huge leap forward, going from the 5th best performed player on Melbourne's list from this age group, to the 4th best, due to Langdon's dramatic drop in ratings. Still, we might have to change his name from Barely Avfritsch to Below Avfritsch.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Really love the objective and not all flawed measures you have used in your arguments throughout this thread Dan.

When danster168 rated this draft crop a couple of years ago he did not have Ed Richards in his top 30, but had Barely Avfritsch ranked 4th, Spargo 17th and Petty 21st from memory. Woops.

 

[danster168]

Let's just close the thread because this is the reply to every post at this point.

That's correct because those achievements can never be taken away. And both of them are achievements that can't be dismissed.