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WinmarToLockett said:
I think there's been a huge lack of respect shown to players like Robertson, White, McDonald, Bruce. Players of their calibre who have shown loyalty to the red and blue deserve to be rewarded and given the chance to end their careers a little bit more gracefully than they have been allowed.
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Sadly, this is a by-product of a very aggressive list overhaul as the club draws a line in the sand against the premiership drought. Players that weren't going to get us there had to go. It's been sad seeing it happen, but at the end of the day the club is bigger than the player. Let's just hope it produces the ultimate reward..
 
TheBoss said:
Yet he was still the leading goal scorer despite playing only half a season. He still had something to offer at AFL level, albeit in less capacity than in previous years. I would have kept him over other forwards who stayed on such as Newton and Hughes.
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but the difference is BS, sorry TheBoss, Newton and Hughes were young when the decision was made, both would come into future plans of more than 3 years. Well have a higher chance anyway.

Plus Hughes was rookie, didnt take up extra spot...
 
Deefolt said:
but the difference is BS, sorry TheBoss, Newton and Hughes were young when the decision was made, both would come into future plans of more than 3 years. Well have a higher chance anyway.

Plus Hughes was rookie, didnt take up extra spot...
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Their age is irrelevant. The only future plans they are a part of is a premiership for Casey. They both have potential, but they haven't been able to force their way into the team. Robbo would have been a handy forward early in the season (due to injuries to Jurrah/Petterd) if he stayed on, and accepted a lesser role within the team.
 

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master bate said:
This all stems from Junior getting axed.
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Bruce was the reason he got the axe, both were playing reasonably good footy but Bruce was a couple of years younger.

You can only 2 players on the veteran's list and Green was always going to be on it. Tell me a player that has been on the veteran's list then had to go back on the senior list? No one I can think of, it doesn't happen.

There is no doubt that Bruce wasn't gonna get anywhere near the money he was used to getting, he took it the wrong way thinking that was a sign that they were going to finish him up so he quit.
 
TheBoss said:
Their age is irrelevant. The only future plans they are a part of is a premiership for Casey. They both have potential, but they haven't been able to force their way into the team. Robbo would have been a handy forward early in the season (due to injuries to Jurrah/Petterd) if he stayed on, and accepted a lesser role within the team.
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And if they didnt get injured he would be taking up a spot of a promising young forward... so your point fails.
 
In my opinion, it's no accident that the club wouldn't guarantee Bruce anything for 2012.

Look through the interview with Viney, where he drops phrases like "game style", "premiership model" and "skill execution". Then, look through the Michael Rogers piece re Bruce on the AFL site today: "He has also struggled on occasion to execute the skills required under Bailey's game plan".

Common to both those (more or less!) is ... skill execution. Not really something you can teach a 32 year old if it's not there.

Going further (bear with me here ...), I actually feel that this doesn't have so much to do with age. If Cam was younger, he might still find himself in the same position.

Cameron walked because he felt that in the longer term he wasn't wanted. I suspect he was probably right. Maybe it's not age that caught up with him, but his lack of disposal skills. The club is bigger than the player. So is The Game Plan.

(On a footnote, McDonald, for all his plusses, wasn't always great with disposal either.)
 
bing181 said:
In my opinion, it's no accident that the club wouldn't guarantee Bruce anything for 2012.

Look through the interview with Viney, where he drops phrases like "game style", "premiership model" and "skill execution". Then, look through the Michael Rogers piece re Bruce on the AFL site today: "He has also struggled on occasion to execute the skills required under Bailey's game plan".

Common to both those (more or less!) is ... skill execution. Not really something you can teach a 32 year old if it's not there.


I agree with what you say here, Bing. Being able to dispose of the footy accurately by foot, particularly coming out of defense, will be crucial with the style of footy Bailey wants us to play. And as much as I admire Clint Bartram's tenacity, it makes me think that he needs to continue to work on this area of his game or he too, will become a casualty of our gameplan.
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Spirit of 39 said:
bing181 said:
In my opinion, it's no accident that the club wouldn't guarantee Bruce anything for 2012.

Look through the interview with Viney, where he drops phrases like "game style", "premiership model" and "skill execution". Then, look through the Michael Rogers piece re Bruce on the AFL site today: "He has also struggled on occasion to execute the skills required under Bailey's game plan".

Common to both those (more or less!) is ... skill execution. Not really something you can teach a 32 year old if it's not there.
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I agree with what you say here, Bing. Being able to dispose of the footy accurately by foot, particularly coming out of defense, will be crucial with the style of footy Bailey wants us to play. And as much as I admire Clint Bartram's tenacity, it makes me think that he needs to continue to work on this area of his game or he too, will become a casualty of our gameplan.
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Yeah, I agree with the ideas of both the previous posts. But I have done a huge turnaround on Bartram since the start of the 2010 season, at which time I was one of his biggest detractors. His ability to beat his man in a one-on-one contest, his work rate and just overall defensive game will save him imo, regardless of how much he improves his ball skills (which aren't as horrible as I used to think).

Re-watched the first half of the Brisbane (round 18) game again last night and one thing struck me, stood out like dogs balls, and that was that we have 3 very important defensive players (other than the obvious Chip, Rivers etc...), and those are Bartram, Jordie Mac and Dunn. These three guys each set the standard for defensive pressure, chasing, harrassing and tackling in their respective thirds of the ground and I think they are all super important to us going forward.

/tangential rant

Edit: Also, and this was my original point, I agree with whoever it was that posted before about Bruce being the reason Junior was forced out in the manner that he was. I think the club was confident tha Bruce would sign on for the one year contract and made the decision to stick with him over Junior. I would be fairly certain that if Bruce had indicated earlier that he may be leaving, Junior would still be around. I know which I'd prefer...
 
Nope, not running my mouth. Won't go into detail or name names either.

He had a falling out with a member of the football department, whom I'm prepared to say isn't the Senior Coach. This was a major reason for his departure.

Up to you if you believe it or not, but it doesn't really matter does it?
 
Thommo 42 said:
Nope, not running my mouth. Won't go into detail or name names either.

He had a falling out with a member of the football department, whom I'm prepared to say isn't the Senior Coach. This was a major reason for his departure.

Up to you if you believe it or not, but it doesn't really matter does it?
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Don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'd sure like to know who it was so I could thank them :thumbsu:
 

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bing181 said:
Maybe it's not age that caught up with him, but his lack of disposal skills. The club is bigger than the player. So is The Game Plan.
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You don't honestly believe that do you? If they are axing players for poor skill execution, then surely Bartram, Moloney and Jones will be heavily scrutinised when they begin contract negotiations.
 
Thommo 42 said:
Nope, not running my mouth. Won't go into detail or name names either.

He had a falling out with a member of the football department, whom I'm prepared to say isn't the Senior Coach. This was a major reason for his departure.

Up to you if you believe it or not, but it doesn't really matter does it?
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interesting, surely you would have to question Bruce's professionalism then?

im disappointed he left, but also relieved that it will provide some fierce competition in between some of the young blokes for his spot.... this will help us enormously in the long run IMO if Strauss can step up he will be a great playmaking type off half back or a winger
 
bing181 said:
If it's true, could have saved a lot of ink spent on the subject ... surprises me though, a club is a big place, and I'm sure not everyone gets on all the time.
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Exactly.

I dont like my boss that i have to work with, so i dont waste my time, associating with him. I just realise he is a fapper and move on. I'm not going to have a hissy fit and leave because of him.
 
Thommo 42 said:
Nope, not running my mouth. Won't go into detail or name names either.

He had a falling out with a member of the football department, whom I'm prepared to say isn't the Senior Coach. This was a major reason for his departure.
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If youre going to post it then at least give the info.

If true my guess is Connolly as it wouldnt be Wellman coz he left.

Anyway I actually know Cam and hes a quality person. Cant imagine what happened so Im just going to presume he wanted more security at the end of his career until I know otherwise.
 

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This is all a big MEH to me.

I'm happy for Cam to leave and chase a premiership at another club. Truth be told he was only holding a young kid back, sure he played some very good games latter in the season for us but he isnt the difference between us making the finals next year or missing out.

As for all this one club player stuff, that's old school. Club's shaft players now far more than players shaft clubs. He has been a loyal servant. If he wishes to chase premierships in the twilight of his career so be it. We got the best of Bruce (playing wise), any team who drafts him wont. Besides, Brad Johnson and James Hird are now both retired, he serves us no purpose. :D

Cant wait to see who can grab their chance as Grimey's deputy sweeping up for us across half back (minus the hospital handballs and helicopter punts Bruce provided us with). Morton, Strauss or maybe even Blease. Good times ahead. :thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:
 
I'm not 100% sure on what the clubs thinking was on this one.

Bruce being on the Veterans list (with no one else eligible any time soon, excluding Green) I though would have been enough to just give him the 2 years.

Not sure how many players on our list have played over 100 games. Couldn't be many...
 
Andy_Mac said:
Not sure how many players on our list have played over 100 games. Couldn't be many...
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You're right...only 5 (Green, Davey, Rivers, Moloney, Sylvia).
Joel Mac, Jamar and Jones all in the 90s however.
 
Rudeurrection said:
Cant wait to see who can grab their chance as Grimey's deputy sweeping up for us across half back (minus the hospital handballs and helicopter punts Bruce provided us with). Morton, Strauss or maybe even Blease. Good times ahead. :thumbsu::thumbsu::thumbsu:
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promote blease ffs! his TAC highlights vid shows he has a heap of potential. fast and a nice kick, ideal running across half-back. hoping he has recovered enough from the leg injury
 

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