you guys can keep him!
Cameron Cloke Leaving.
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Sorry Capo, but I think I'm missing something. Is your list in such brilliant shape that the team wouldn't delist even the least competent one of the 30-odd?
Surely you can bandy about some names.
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The only person I can see being delisted would be Josh Carr due to Injury and Age. But not sure if this will happen or not.
Despite what you guys would hear, our youth is quite impressive skill wise, mentally some of our players though need more strength.
With Brogan, Lobbe, Trengove and a few other young guys coming up I cant see really why we would want another ruck. Multiple teams did alright last year with a young ruck team
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cloke is not a ruckmen and should never be played in that position. If you are to take him i think it will be as a forward, perhaps to help tredrea until you get some up and coming forward (i do not know your list well so im not sure what your forward stocks are like)The only person I can see being delisted would be Josh Carr due to Injury and Age. But not sure if this will happen or not.
Despite what you guys would hear, our youth is quite impressive skill wise, mentally some of our players though need more strength.
With Brogan, Lobbe, Trengove and a few other young guys coming up I cant see really why we would want another ruck. Multiple teams did alright last year with a young ruck team
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I cant imagine us needing another forward to be honest,
Our current stock has a lot of up and coming youth,
Tredrea, Nick Salter (Similar to Fevola in many ways), Daniel Motlop, Marlon Motlop, Justin Westhoff (Yes, I know... lol), Matthew Westhoff, Ebert, Gray (Gun), Trengove. Plus we have 3 First Round Draft picks, where we expect to at least pick up one key forward.
I would suggest if we picked up Cloke, it would have to be as a Ruck.
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Four picks by math.
Five players off the list with Burgoyne and Farmer replaced by Schulz and Nash.
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Forzaport
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This hasn't got anything to do with the shape of our list, I was just under the impression that everyone was contracted for next year (including rookies) and that our list will be settled at the end of the national draft.
Really only Carr would be a chance of coming off our list which would be due to injury as he's contracted for next year.
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Four picks by math.
Five players off the list with Burgoyne and Farmer replaced by Schulz and Nash.
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Daniel Stewart was also promoted to the senior list.
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Well, taking your word as gospel, there is an evident need for someone of Cloke's ilk, that could well slot straight into your starting lineup.
Suggesting that PAFC would be looking for some insurance should Tredrea miss due to injury, your forward summary above is lacking;
- a(nother) big bodied forward
- a(nother) experienced head
- a consistent performer
(Cloke is one who you can expect to give 100%, 100% of the time, not go missing as does Motlop)
- a 'prime' aged forward of ~26
- an overhead contested marker
(which if Salter is akin to Fev, then he has very little overhead contested ability)
Granted Westhoff is good with this, but gets found out against stronger opponents.
Not sure about that
Quick Summary:
Tredders - probably in his last season
Salts - up and coming but yet to really make a statement
Daniel Motlop - gun
Marlon Motlop - spud
Gray - gun but looking at midfield spot
Trengove - if leg holds up will be a gun
Hoff x 2 - the less said the better
Add Jay Shulz if he scrubs up.
As for draft picks, there are no guarantees and key forwards take at least 3 years to really develop.
So on balance, I can see why this rumour is gaining traction; there is sufficient need for a big bodied forward although not sure whether Cloke will have the impact Port need.
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Cant tell you anyhting about Mcphee or Welsh apart from my mate saw him in Anglesea and Mcphee told him he woudnt be signing soon. Not sure what it meant.
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If true, you can't blame Clokey for looking out for his future. 3 years is heaven sent for Cam.
He cops a bit but I still remember him as being a player that tried his guts out and showed a bit of passion for the jumper.
I know most of these guys were not part of future plans, but losing Fev, Hartlett, Edwards and Cloke certainly puts a hole in our forward stocks.
He cops a bit but I still remember him as being a player that tried his guts out and showed a bit of passion for the jumper.
I know most of these guys were not part of future plans, but losing Fev, Hartlett, Edwards and Cloke certainly puts a hole in our forward stocks.
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Must have got voted out of Australian Idol.
l believe Cam Cloke is certainly not a long term option for us, but what are Carlton's back up options if for example one of Henderson, Waite or Kruezer suffer injury, as there is virtually nothing underneath, there has to be some doubt on Waite in short term up forward, he is more likely to start down back unless they are desperate which is becoming more apparent as the week's progress.
You guys both missed out on Daniel Stewart who ticks a lot of those boxes.
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Well, I'm not sure you read my post, but anyhow, you've listed a yet-to-debut player that ticks which boxes exactly? I'm suggesting he ticks none, as he is a complete unknown at this level. Cam Cloke has at least proven something at AFL level.
And it's not as if he is going to cost the proverbial limb.
Agree entirely - his form in the VFL Grand Final was superb, and I think he has a role as our backup - but perhaps our salary cap is being reserved for landing other players in the future, rather than making sure Cloke is happy to stay at the club with minimal game-time. Fisher and to some extent Tiller are the only two that hit me as back-up options. Perhaps Austin to start earning some game-time in the F50?!
I'll help him pack his bags if he likes......don't rate him at all
As early as mid way through last year it seemed that Ratten didn't have a lot of love for Cloke. So, moving on is a win - win for both the player and our club.
I thought he might of made it at the Blues, but, there just seemed to be something missing in his footy. Probably talent.
I thought he might of made it at the Blues, but, there just seemed to be something missing in his footy. Probably talent.
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Guys, I am sick of the hack calls and just classless posts when a player leaves the club. He hasn't done the dirty on us and isn't deserving of spite from keyboard warriors. If you don't have anything nice to say about players that are leaving with zero animosity, then why bother at all.
Have some class.
Have some class.
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Let Cloke go.
I don't think he's good enough imo to deserve a 2 year deal let alone a 3 year deal.
Tbh, I'd rather see Maguire in a Carlton jumper than Cloke any day. Believe Maguire could prove a few doubters wrong in 2010.
I don't think he's good enough imo to deserve a 2 year deal let alone a 3 year deal.
Tbh, I'd rather see Maguire in a Carlton jumper than Cloke any day. Believe Maguire could prove a few doubters wrong in 2010.
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his dead wood, I'd take matty maguire over him any day. Port would be doing us a favour. He cant take the big marks up foward and to be honest i dont think we'll have a spot for him. Maguire could go straight into the backline and give us more accountability down there. Hopefully his body can hold up though. If it does that'll free up waite to go where we need him.
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Haha, way to listen to your moderator!
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Why are Carlton supporters so desperate to pick up any tall with a reputation?
Drafting has beens is what we did under Parkin, Pagan and Brittain.
We need to develop our own KPP instead of picking up list cloggers like Saddington, Ackland and Martyn.
A short term solution which is at long odds of paying off is a cop out when we do have young KPP on our list.
If Maguire wasn't finished as a good KPF, the Saints who aren't flush with KPD, would have kept him on their list.
Cloke kicked five goals in the VFL GF, yet supporters want to chase Maguire as a forward and defender.
Where's the logic in that?
The season Maguire where played well is eons ago in football terms.
No thanks.
If Maguire, Robertson and Thorp aren't good enough for their old teams, they're not good enough for Carlton.
List cloggers.
Drafting has beens is what we did under Parkin, Pagan and Brittain.
We need to develop our own KPP instead of picking up list cloggers like Saddington, Ackland and Martyn.
A short term solution which is at long odds of paying off is a cop out when we do have young KPP on our list.
If Maguire wasn't finished as a good KPF, the Saints who aren't flush with KPD, would have kept him on their list.
Cloke kicked five goals in the VFL GF, yet supporters want to chase Maguire as a forward and defender.
Where's the logic in that?
The season Maguire where played well is eons ago in football terms.
No thanks.
If Maguire, Robertson and Thorp aren't good enough for their old teams, they're not good enough for Carlton.
List cloggers.
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