Cameron Green

[Pippen94]

I lot of love for Cameron Green not so much for other players. Don't know why?!

Waugh comparison not bad. That century may have to wait

 

[kane249]

fingers crossed this is day for cam

 

[The Falcon Strike]

At least with this dismissal for Cam, the bowler got him out.

Whereas he threw away a shot at a century in a couple of the other innings.

 

[Westend]

Yeah I was gutted thought this was the day

batted well....but the drought continues

 

[outabounds]

I just look at this guy and think he can be elite in batting, bowling and fielding. He is such a talent. Hopefully he stays injury free. He has the potential to be anything.

 

[Topkent]

It's not me that has to give up the money but we need him to stay away from IPL and shitty t20 an play county cricket as often as possible

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I actually think the IPL would be good for him

Allow him to be comfortable amongst the world's elite.

The core of his batting technique is already solid - so the IPL might help him increase his range and expedite his confidence

 

[corbies]

County cricket has become a bit over rated in terms of its ability to help Test batsman. There's a lot of sub standard cricketers getting around in that league and its now really only played in the book ends of the English summer where medium trundlers dominate due to conditions. Not a lot of that happening at test level.

 

[Westend]

I actually think the IPL would be good for him

Allow him to be comfortable amongst the world's elite.

The core of his batting technique is already solid - so the IPL might help him increase his range and expedite his confidence

Nah stuff that hit and giggle crap

Start off in the ODI for Australia and work from there

 

[PhatBoy]

Almost 300 international wickets but OK..

Waugh was a decent bowler early on but he wasn’t blessed with anything like the ability or tools of Green. The majority of his wickets came from bowling the middle overs in limited overs games and while he was smart he isn’t fit to tie Green’s bootlaces

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Cam Green will make 5000 + runs @40 +

Take 150 + wickets @30 or so IMO.

 

[Pippen94]

Waugh was a decent bowler early on but he wasn’t blessed with anything like the ability or tools of Green. The majority of his wickets came from bowling the middle overs in limited overs games and while he was smart he isn’t fit to tie Green’s bootlaces

Wrong. Most of the wickets came from bowling late overs in odi's. By the early 90's he was almost done as a real option. Green has more natural talent, but he's not a proven match winner or anything yet.

 

[PhatBoy]

Wrong. Most of the wickets came from bowling late overs in odi's. By the early 90's he was almost done as a real option. Green has more natural talent, but he's not a proven match winner or anything yet.

That doesn’t strengthen your argument.

 

[Pippen94]

That doesn’t strengthen your argument.

..that somebody who was a key bowler for a world cup win & the number one odi all rounder should be held in higher esteem than somebody who hasn't done anything yet?!

 

[PhatBoy]

..that somebody who was a key bowler for a world cup win & the number one odi all rounder should be held in higher esteem than somebody who hasn't done anything yet?!

No, that he’s somehow a better bowler. Dwayne Bravo has turned bowling at the death in t20 cricket into an art form and won two world cups but on a grand scale I rate his bowling in test matches as being a better demonstration of his talent over all

 

[RobbyRoy]

Cam Green will make 5000 + runs @40 +

Take 150 + wickets @30 or so IMO.

I'm expecting the bowling average to be a little lower but either way, you'd take that for a career.

 

[melanChronic]

Cam Green will make 5000 + runs @40 +

Take 150 + wickets @30 or so IMO.

They just talked about Stokes joining the 5000 and 150 club... only 4 others (Sobers, Botham, Kapil Dev and Kallis) have ever done it. Would be a fair effort.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

They just talked about Stokes joining the 5000 and 150 club... only 4 others (Sobers, Botham, Kapil Dev and Kallis) have ever done it. Would be a fair effort.

This kid has the tools, elite catcher also on top.

 

[Blue1980]

Most exciting prospect since Cummins won us a test in SA as an 18yo. Smith kind of snuck up on us.

Yep Smith came in after homeworkgate in India and made 92, and was then retained for the ashes in 2013, and cemented himself after a century at the oval in the last test and was away after that.

I actually remember Finey raging in SEN back in 2011 that a specialist T20 cricketer like Smith was earning so much money, though in fairness it seemed a general sentiment at the time.

 

[Blue1980]

No, they were not a minnow, they were arguably and statistically the next worst team - or level with New Zealand, which is what I said in the first place

My whole point was that people often only apply context when it suits them and a good example of it is people who write off Murali because he took heaps of wickets against crap sides but don’t acknowledge that lots of bowlers have done it.

Do you think Dale Steyn is the best modern fast bowler because he took 20 wickets at 9 in two tests against a rank New Zealand side? No. All that did was show how much better he was than their rubbish batsmen. His genius was demonstrated by his performances in Asia and in the Boxing Day test etc

England of the 90s I would largely agree with that assessment, though if the kiwis had 5 test series v Australia and West Indies in that period, their record could of looked worse.

England were mediocre to bad but capable of turning it on at times, usually at home.

 

[Blue1980]

Coming along fine. I agree he might be better at 5 than 6 as a batsman but then we start to run into - he should bat higher up the order and bowl more often - and a lot gets put on a young player's shoulders.

I’m thinking he will be more a batting all rounder, kind of like Kallis, though I’m not expecting as wildly as good as him.

I think a batting average 40-45 and bowling average sub 35 is realistic and make him our best all rounder since Keith Miller.

 

[Blue1980]

His bowling was never anywhere near what Green is capable of though. Yeah, he had a few tricks different slower balls etc. but he was a pretty stock standard medium pacer.

Yep, Waugh could never bowl over 140 and obviously not as tall as Green.

Green probably a better batsmen at same age as Waugh though.

 

[Blue1980]

Steven Waugh was a very, very effective bowler in both forms of the game before his batting hit its' stride.

I am old, in fact 2 years older than the twins, so I saw his entire career. The guy was a quality all-rounder before he stopped bowling.

If Green turns out 75% the player that S. Waugh was then we're doing well.

Of course, but end of the day Steve Waugh was a batsman and that’s what made his name and what he was picked for. His bowling didn’t really come into the selection side of things unless it was ODI cricket or maybe pre 1992 in tests (he was picked at 7 in the West Indies in 1991 for a couple of tests and we went in with only 3 specialist paceman, which backfired badly 2nd innings of 4th test).

 

[Pippen94]

Yep, Waugh could never bowl over 140 and obviously not as tall as Green.

Green probably a better batsmen at same age as Waugh though.

Doesn't matter how tall or fast. Only results count

 

[Pippen94]

Of course, but end of the day Steve Waugh was a batsman and that’s what made his name and what he was picked for. His bowling didn’t really come into the selection side of things unless it was ODI cricket or maybe pre 1992 in tests (he was picked at 7 in the West Indies in 1991 for a couple of tests and we went in with only 3 specialist paceman, which backfired badly 2nd innings of 4th test).

You know pre 1992 (??) is seven years into waugh's career?! Being world's top odi all rounder just glossed over.