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Bowling allrounders of his caliber are rare as hens teeth.
Supposedly a better bowler than he is a as a batsman. He’ll be in the squad this summer I rekon, even if he’s not in the 11, could even make it as a batsman alone the way he’s going. Who knows how well he’ll bowl after cricket Australia have re-worked his action, either way someone at 200cm bowling 145 clicks wouldn’t be easy to face.
 
earlsta said:
Bowling allrounders of his caliber are rare as hens teeth.
Supposedly a better bowler than he is a as a batsman. He’ll be in the squad this summer I rekon, even if he’s not in the 11, could even make it as a batsman alone the way he’s going. Who knows how well he’ll bowl after cricket Australia have re-worked his action, either way someone at 200cm bowling 145 clicks wouldn’t be easy to face.
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Someone else might know better but I dont think he actually bowls that fast, he bowls around 130km but with accuracy and moving it off the seam.

More Philander/McGrath type - either would be handy =)
 

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Snuffaluphagus said:
Someone else might know better but I dont think he actually bowls that fast, he bowls around 130km but with accuracy and moving it off the seam.

More Philander/McGrath type - either would be handy =)
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Thought he was mid 130-140 at best so medium fast in the old terminology
 
The hype is overwhelming. I just hope he's managed well. He's got so much talent.

Can't wait to see the look on the poms' faces once we unleash the best all-rounder ever seen :tearsofjoy:
 
heypenny said:
The hype is overwhelming. I just hope he's managed well. He's got so much talent.

Can't wait to see the look on the poms' faces once we unleash the best all-rounder ever seen :tearsofjoy:
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Keep it down there have been some great AR's.
 
Noobz0r said:
Not if he's bowling big overs, at least at first.
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At this rate he will be picked as a batsmen at 6, who will bowl a bit. If he is picked this summer he will rarely bowl.

He will not be picked to play at number 8
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
Someone else might know better but I dont think he actually bowls that fast, he bowls around 130km but with accuracy and moving it off the seam.

More Philander/McGrath type - either would be handy =)
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Nah, he apparently bowls high 130's. He last bowled in the shield when he was 18/19.

That is very sharp for that age, he would have been one of the quickest bowlers at the last u/19 world cup at that pace as an example.

Bowlers generally add a good 5+ kph to their pace as they hit their mid 20's.

Hard to say what his back will do to his remodelled action and pace though, but at 200cm, he's definitely not a medium pace Philander type.


earlsta said:
Bowling allrounders of his caliber are rare as hens teeth.
Supposedly a better bowler than he is a as a batsman. He’ll be in the squad this summer I rekon, even if he’s not in the 11, could even make it as a batsman alone the way he’s going. Who knows how well he’ll bowl after cricket Australia have re-worked his action, either way someone at 200cm bowling 145 clicks wouldn’t be easy to face.
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I don't think it's a case of "he could even make it as a batsman".

He now averages 54.25 in first class cricket with with 4 x 100's , 2 x 50's in 16 matches playing in a variety of positions in the lower and middle order. He's topping the SS run scorer chart this season and finished 4th on it last year.

Labuschagne averaged in the mid 30's in FC when he was introduced, Travis Head averages 39 in FC cricket.

Pucovski would have made his debut if not for his offfield issues as the next big thing in cricket and he averages 42 in FC cricket.

He is a specialist middle order batsman atm, in an area Australia probably has a position in atm. It’s going to great not having to slot a opener into #6


I think the form of Head etc is largely irrelevant, he is head and shoulders above any other young batsman at the moment, he should be batting #6 in the first test imo, he deserves it.
 
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I think it's time to put him in. Put him at 6 and he's not going to be 'exposed'. He'll be batting behind guys like Smith, Warner & Labuschagne. If he comes in at that spot, he's not going to be heavily relied upon as a batsmen or bowler and can largely go about his business.
 
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Golden_6 said:
I think it's time to put him in. Put him at 6 and he's not going to be 'exposed'. He'll be batting behind guys like Smith, Warner & Labuschagne. If he comes in at that stop, he's not going to be heavily relied upon as a batsmen or bowler and can largely go about his business.
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As others have stated, he needs to probably work on rotating the strike when at test level. He won’t have the same amount of bad balls.

However, given his power and ability to hit boundaries and crunch bad balls, he’s exactly the type you want at #6 regardless. He can counter attack when the side is under a bit of pressure and punish attacks when coming in with some runs on the board.

As for his height, well Ben Stokes is going alright as a batsman atm...

Edit: He's actually 15cm taller than Ben Stokes. Lol.
 
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Pykie said:
As others have stated, he needs to probably work on rotating the strike when at test level. He won’t have the same amount of bad balls.

However, given his power and ability to hit boundaries and crunch bad balls, he’s exactly the type you want at #6 regardless. He can counter attack when the side is under a bit of pressure and punish attacks when coming in with some runs on the board.

As for his height, well Ben Stokes is going alright as a batsman atm...
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Apparently 24 is the age when bowlers bodies develop so they don't get injured constantly. Once he reaches 24 and can bowl 12 or so overs a day he's going to be unbelievable.
 
My own thoughts:

- His technique superficially reminds me of Mitch Marsh's. Both appear slightly mechanical, both go hard at the ball outside offstump and both like punching and hitting the ball down the ground. Both rely a fair bit on boundaries and aren't all that great at running between the wickets.

- There are some differences though. I think Green plays a bit straighter than Mitch and he's more compact in defence, in that he doesn't leave the same gap between bat and pad. He also seems to use soft hands when defending, so IMO he's less likely to edge the ball to slip than Mitch would be.

- He's very good at pulling/hooking, being quick to rock onto the back foot. I'm less certain about his back foot play outside off, though; he goes hard so he might be able to get away with it most of the time, but at times he's vulnerable to getting caught at gully and maybe even third man. Fly slips are rarely used but I'd consider using one for Green. His approach kind of reminds me of Sehwag of all people, although he uses his feet a bit more.

- His footwork against spin appears to be more nimble than Mitch's. Mitch was more likely to grope at the ball or use the big shot against spinners, whereas Green is more likely to try and work the ball into gaps. He also plays fairly late off the back foot.

- His legside play seems good; he plays with soft hands so he can get a deft touch on balls on or outside legstump, which means that he's less likely to be caught at legslip.

- I've heard conflicting things about his bowling. The posters above me have described him as anything from a medium-pace seamer to someone who gets good pace. Another guy told me that he was more of a swinger than a seamer (pun not intended!), which would make him more like Watson with more bounce. The consensus appears to be that he had good wheels, but who knows what his remodelled action has done?

- He's appears to be reasonable at making a start. He's made it into double figures almost 3/4 of the time in SS over the past two seasons, which is pretty good, so he doesn't look like he's going to be a rocks-or-diamonds player in the mould of some past WA batsmen (North, Marsh brothers). He appears not to feel for the ball outside offstump as much as those three seemed to early in their innings, so that could be one reason why.

- Moreover, so far he's been very good at making the most of his starts. I know the sample size is small, but almost 15% of his innings end with 100+, which shows that once set, he has good enough concentration to not throw his innings away like a Watson/Head. By comparison, Mitch Marsh's conversion record at FC level isn't really any better than Watson's.

- The SS season is still young, so things can change, but given Green's form and that Wade hasn't actually played SS yet, at this point I'd make the most of Green's form and play him in the 1st Test. Normally I wouldn't risk a young, inexperienced player against the Indians, but Wade was just clinging onto his spot anyway and Green's form ATM is too good for me to overlook. He's a RHB so he also compliments the LHB Head well. His running between the wickets could see him get bogged down against the Indians, but the batsmen around him are better in this regard, so I don't think that's a really big deal in this context. I also think that Head/Green will get enough starts between them to avoid many middle-order collapses.
 
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eth-dog said:
The big thing for me is that he has only been dismissed once between 50 and 100. He converts his 50's.
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True, but he's been past 50 only six times in his first-class career.

Love the kid (and I had a hot tip from him from a family member at Subi Floreat), but give him time.
 
DaRick said:
Not sure why people are casting doubts on Head's place instead of Wade's.

I'm not fully sold on Head either, but surely he's done well enough to get the benefit of the doubt?
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agreed wade will be the first to make way to make a spot available for green
 
Seagrave_Holmes said:
I honestly forgot Wade was in the team - in that case maybe Wade makes way for Green. I would bat Head at 6 and Green at 5.
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I'd normally bat the newbie lower down the order.

There are exceptions (e.g. - when you'd wind up sacrificing key batsmen if you batted the newbie lower down) but I don't think this is one, especially since Head has played as a #5 at Test level.
 
Head and Wade are gonna have to step up to the plate to keep him out of the team this summer. He is just coming on in leaps and bounds.

And due to our bowling strength we don't even need to try and fast track his injury recovery. If he was to step into the test team and average 45+ with the bat he wouldn't even need to bowl a ball at test level and would still keep his position in the team.

If we can get him back bowling as he was a year or so ago that could be massive. His bowling looks like it could be good enough for a front line position in the future and what flexibility that would provide us. Even healthy he wouldn't be a front liner at the moment with Cummins (27yo), Haze (29), Starc (30), Pattinson (30) and Richardson around, but Green should improve with strength and experience whilst those guys won't be around forever.

A lot of excitement about this guy. Justified IMO.
 
The man himself says he will look to bowl in the next game or game after.
 
With the exceptional promise he's showing with the bat, I'd be pretty happy for him to give up on the bowling and focus on that full time. It not like the young batting stocks are flush with options.

I'd be absolutely spewing if he turns into another perennially injured all rounder who never fully reaches his potential.
 
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