Cameron Green

[eth-dog]

With the exceptional promise he's showing with the bat, I'd be pretty happy for him to give up on the bowling and focus on that full time. It not like the young batting stocks are flush with options.

I'd be absolutely spewing if he turns into another perennially injured all rounder who never fully reaches his potential.

You don't mean that CC. We all know that's what'll happen. Just accept your fate.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

You don't mean that CC. We all know that's what'll happen. Just accept your fate.

With WA's record with keeping bowlers on the track, I'd like to endorse what CC is saying. Better a batsman who bowls usefully than a permanently crocked all-rounder.

 

[The Passenger]

Taller bowlers are notoriously tricky to manage with injuries so no there is an option to become a full time batsmen. But it would take more than one set back to give up on his bowling. Selectors would be salivating at the potential flexibility he could provide us if it all goes to plan - He could bat in the 7 with the keeper at 8 and still leave us with 4 front liners, or play a more traditional all rounder role as the #5 bowler behind the main four, on the subcontinent this could include playing two spinners without really losing any pace firepower. It's tantalising indeed.

I guess everyone is probably a little bit scarred from watching Shane Watson's horrendous run with injuries, which is understandable. Patience is the key.

 

[t_94]

With the exceptional promise he's showing with the bat, I'd be pretty happy for him to give up on the bowling and focus on that full time. It not like the young batting stocks are flush with options.

I'd be absolutely spewing if he turns into another perennially injured all rounder who never fully reaches his potential.

Disagree. He’s such a good bowler as well that he has to give it a crack.

Just needs to be managed on very light loads for the next 2 - 3 until his body fully matures.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Disagree. He’s such a good bowler as well that he has to give it a crack.

Just needs to be managed on very light loads for the next 2 - 3 until his body fully matured.

I’d agree with you more if we had more outstanding young batting talents around the country.

But at this stage we don’t.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Reckon the benefit of Green is you can bat him at 6 legit then bowl him max 7-10 overs a day the next 3 years why he builds

 

[Westend]

Reckon the benefit of Green is you can bat him at 6 legit then bowl him max 7-10 overs a day the next 3 years why he builds

Yeah good call....that all he needs at this stage...5-10 overs of 135/140 plus is going to be good for the team

Plus we have marnus head providing spin options if we need extra bowling options

 

[Spitting_Cobra]

Special talent, the boy. And that's before he begins bowling again.

 

[Weagleman]

Found this to be good watching, compilation of cameron green's shield wickets.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Cameron Green is the best Australian batsman Greg Chappell has seen since Ricky Ponting and one who could be key to winning the 2020-21 Ashes.

The former selector believes that with the Indians in the country for the Test series the time is right to pick the talented 21-year-old, who many believed would only play if he was bowling.

Injured last year, the allrounder has played state cricket as a batsman only since and has displayed the sort of form that demands selection.

The West Australian scored 197 against NSW in the last Shield match, his fourth first-class century from 17 games, and has averaged 74.5 since the beginning of last summer.

Green came to attention when he took a five-wicket haul against Tasmania on debut as a 17-year-old while batting at No 8.

The tall youngster is ready to return to bowling but Chappell said it was important to get into the Test team as a batsman before the strains of the Shield circuit see him break down again — as young bowlers inevitably will.

The first Test is more than a month away. There are two rounds of the Shield before that date and few spots open in the middle order.

Steve Smith and Marnus Labuschagne are immovable objects. Tim Paine is going nowhere and Travis Head defended his place with a resounding 171no for South Australia while Paine was keeping in the last match against Tasmania.

Matthew Wade has left a door open by opting to skip the first two Shield rounds in order to spend time with his young family.

While some counsel patience with Green, Chappell believes elite young players learn best when thrown in at the deep end and can rot on the vine if made to wait too long.

“This is a serious player, this is a special player,” he told The Australian. “He is the best young player I’ve seen since Ricky Ponting. He is our next superstar.

“I’ve been telling anyone who will listen for a couple of years now. I saw him a hit a couple of shots when he was 17 one day and it was obvious he was a batsman.

“You just have to pick him now before he breaks his back and he can’t play. My greatest fear about him is that everyone gets excited about his bowling and the kid can bowl, he is a rare talent there as well. But you know that if he bowls 20 to 30 overs a game for Western Australia he will break.”

 

[toml]

We've had about 6 "best since Ponting's."

 

[The Falcon Strike]

if he said best “talent” since Ponting - you might have a story

but best batting talent since Ponting is too far

I hold hope for a 40/30 player which would be all time for Australia

anything better than that would be obscene - and even anything remotely close to that has him in our side for 15 years

 

[DaRick]

Found this to be good watching, compilation of cameron green's shield wickets.

A few things:

1) He combines the flowing run-up of James Pattinson with the bustling movement upon delivery that Andy Bichel or even Brad Williams had.

2) His action has evolved some - it used to be quite similar to Pattinson's circa 2011 but in recent times it's become a bit more languid, like Mitch Marsh's (presumably to mitigate injury).

3) Like Bichel, he's good at moving the ball away from the right-hander. Like Pattinson circa 2011, he's willing to pitch the ball up and search for late swing. Both young Pattinson and Green can also generate seam off a good length.

4) His height allows him to generate some surprising bounce at times - Bichel and in particular Williams couldn't generate that, and nor can Mitch Marsh. That said, he seems to fall away a tiny bit upon delivery so arguably he doesn't make full use of his height. That said, he seems to generate movement consistently enough for that not to be a massive deal.

5) Like Bichel and young Pattinson, he's not a metronome. I'm sceptical that he really has the control to be one and clearly his mindset is that of an attacking bowler who trades runs for wickets. It's unclear whether he can act as a workhorse like Bichel can if absolutely necessary, but that normally wouldn't be his role in the Test side anyway. You'd bring him on as a 5th bowler relatively early in the innings 1) to give the batsman a different kind of threat to face (neither of our right-arm bowlers are swing bowlers per se), 2) to generate swing away from the right-hander and 3) buy a wicket or two while giving the main quicks more of a breather, so they don't become run down as they did two seasons ago against the Indians.

 

[Caesar]

Bit out of the loop with this bloke, but can someone explain why he’s been picked as a white ball allrounder when his good recent performances have mostly been as a batsman in the Shield?

Surely the selectors would rather see him playing red ball cricket for Aus A leading into the summer?

 

[corbies]

Bit out of the loop with this bloke, but can someone explain why he’s been picked as a white ball allrounder when his good recent performances have mostly been as a batsman in the Shield?

Surely the selectors would rather see him playing red ball cricket for Aus A leading into the summer?

I think they've picked him to get him around the squad and maybe debut in a less scrutinised environment.

You'd think he'd definitely play the pink ball warm up match which starts a few days after the last T20 but it wouldn't surprise if he leaves the Aus squad after the ODI matches to play in the Aus A red ball warm up at Drummoyne as he's not really a T20 player.

Although it could also be that they don't want India seeing too much of him.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I think they've picked him to get him around the squad and maybe debut in a less scrutinised environment.

You'd think he'd definitely play the pink ball warm up match which starts a few days after the last T20 but it wouldn't surprise if he leaves the Aus squad after the ODI matches to play in the Aus A red ball warm up at Drummoyne as he's not really a T20 player.

Although it could also be that they don't want India seeing too much of him.

Agree - you'd have to think it's purely the experience of facing Starc, Cummins et al in the nets - and perhaps bowling to Smith and Warner.

He has no form to justify an actual white ball selection yet.

However I do think he has T20 potential if his u/19 form is anything to go by - but he needs to show some consistent form in BBL before any thought of Aus selection.

 

[Belnakor]

While some counsel patience with Green, Chappell believes elite young players learn best when thrown in at the deep end and can rot on the vine if made to wait too long.

chappell really talks some bullshit doesn't he.

Every player we have rushed into the test team on minimal shield performances has struggled. The only successes in the past 20 years are Warner and Clarke. Everyone else did significant time at shield level.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Confirmed bowling again this match, would be funny if he got Wade out cheaply

 

[Hamingja]

Bit out of the loop with this bloke, but can someone explain why he’s been picked as a white ball allrounder when his good recent performances have mostly been as a batsman in the Shield?

Surely the selectors would rather see him playing red ball cricket for Aus A leading into the summer?

I wonder how much of it is the bio security bubble thing and not wanting heaps of different players going in and out of squads and this is just a lead in for his test selection.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

#sackgreen

 

[eth-dog]

#birdistheword

 

[DaRick]

chappell really talks some bullshit doesn't he.

Every player we have rushed into the test team on minimal shield performances has struggled. The only successes in the past 20 years are Warner and Clarke. Everyone else did significant time at shield level.

While I lean towards rewarding Shield form (which Green has displayed), it's a complex issue TBH.

The problem with rushing young players into the Test side seems to be less about initial performances (which are often surprisingly good, especially if they're a bowler), but more about form slumps and injury. Both seem to be because they haven't yet fully developed mentally and physically, so they're not necessarily equipped for the rigours of Test cricket, which more or less requires you to keep up your concentration continually.

Rushing older players with next to no SS experience into the side almost never works though - the only example I can think of that actually worked out was Stuart MacGill.

 

[Blue Arrow]

Green in Baggy Green XI: Rookies who made it

With young opener Matt Renshaw set to debut, we reveal a great Australia side made up of players who debuted with fewer than 20 first-class matches to their name

www.cricket.com.au

A team made up of Australian cricketers who made their test debuts before their 20th FC match like Green could.

 

[La Vache]

Green was going very hard at the outswing yesterday. The conditions were tricky and he was in early but would have been nice to see him adjust. Siddle and Bird were bowling really good spells on a perfect length.

 

[earlsta]

Pretty sure he broke that guys thumb lol