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The strength in the side could quite legitimately come from if Green is strong enough to become one of the 3 x front line seamers and replaces one of them.

It would enable us to keep a legitimate no.6 batsman, Green batting at 7 or 8.

You could also play another all-rounder type in conjunction with him, as England have at stages with Stokes & Ali/Woakes/Curren, having 5 bowling options but also batting down to 8 and 9.

Keeper at 6
All Rounder/Green at 7
All Rounder/Green at 8
Cummins
Hazlewood
Spinner.
 
Pykie said:
The strength in the side could quite legitimately come from if Green is strong enough to become one of the 3 x front line seamers and replaces one of them.

It would enable us to keep a legitimate no.6 batsman, Green batting at 7 or 8.

You could also play another all-rounder type in conjunction with him, as England have at stages with Stokes & Ali/Woakes/Curren, having 5 bowling options but also batting down to 8 and 9.

Keeper at 6
All Rounder/Green at 7
All Rounder/Green at 8
Cummins
Hazlewood
Spinner.
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Not a fan of this Bayliss rubbish. Green should be picked if he can either hold down a batting spot and replace a batsman at 6 or hold down a bowling spot at 8 and replace a bowler. I think he has the potential to do one of the two if we let him develop properly.

Adding a no-rounder to accommodate a not-quite allrounder just doubles down on the derp and weakens us in too many areas. Can work in one-day cricket but not in test cricket where as a team you need to sustain top-class performance in either skill for as long as you can in the match.

What's more is it stunts the development of the player if they are allowed to get by with bit part contributions with both bat and ball.
 
‘Sky is the limit’: Greg Chappell on why Australia must blood Cameron Green
Former Test selector Greg Chappell believes the sky is the limit for boom all-rounder Cameron Green and the sooner he plays Test cricket the better he will become.
Test batting great Chappell, who recently retired as a national selector, has been sprouting the 20-year-old Green’s virtues for some time and feels the tall West Australian has rare potential.

The national selectors resisted calls from Ricky Ponting to elevate Green for the Test series against New Zealand but are watching him closely.

“The sky is the limit really to what he is capable of,’’ Chappell said.

“It is just a matter of whether his body and his mind can take him there.
“He is one of the most exciting talents we have had in Australian cricket for some time.
“Even if he finds it (Test cricket) challenging to start with I think as soon as the opportunity arises the sooner he gets there the sooner he will be the champion that he could be.
“He has shown he can do it at domestic level. Another 10 hundreds at domestic level won’t develop him as much as one hundred in Test cricket.’’
Green has scored two Sheffield Shield centuries and taken 28 wickets at 21 in 11 matches though is currently not bowling due to a hot spot in his back.
Selection chairman Trevor Hohns has acknowledged Green as a player of interest and Chappell has spoken to his former colleagues about Green’s great potential.
“They would be looking at him very closely. My experience is the sooner he gets to Test cricket the sooner he will be a Test batsman.
“It is a blessing he has had to pull back on the bowling for a while and concentrate on the batting because I think he is a batsman first and a bowler second.
“Very few top six batsmen have the ability to bowl at 140kph. As a selector you think you want this kid to bat in the top six. I think his bowling is secondary. Bowl him sparingly and make sure his body gets through to when he is 23 and 24 and it hardens up.
“He does not need a lot of bowling to keep developing but he needs a lot of batting to take his batting to where it could go’’.
 

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malcolm said:
Most wickets 19/20

Best spinners:

O'Keefe 10
Swepson 10
Holland 8

All very average.

Agar 3 @ 136 FFS.

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O'Keefe clearly should be our number 2 still but he is probably still on the shit list.

Swepson is improving it seems.
 
Beutbrute said:
Don't like that argument.
Tendulkar debuted at 16,
GS Sobers at 17
Pat Cummins at 18
Imran Khan at 18
Could list a lot more.
It's a myth that bringing in guys when they're young hampers their development. Could be a case for some players but not everyone.
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Except he is an all rounder who is not bowling at the moment. That on its own says not yet

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Ok Boomer said:
O'Keefe clearly should be our number 2 still but he is probably still on the shit list.

Swepson is improving it seems.
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Wouldn’t be totally against Swepson as the second spinner although don’t we have Lab and Head in the side? How many spinners do we need?
 
malcolm said:
Most wickets 19/20

Best spinners:

O'Keefe 10
Swepson 10
Holland 8

All very average.

Agar 3 @ 136 FFS.

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To do with pitches more than anything.

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Snuffaluphagus said:
I think the problem we have is that the two guys you would pick ahead of him for a middle order spot on form/potential (Maddinson and Pucovksi) have been ruled out.

After them, you're choices are Marsh and Cooper, who are too old.

So if we are not choosing Green, who are we going?

It would have to be between Carey and Henriques.

Cam Green has a legitimate case for being the next best option after Head as a pure middle order batsmen though ideally he focuses on getting his back and action strong enough to bowl consistently.
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A bloke called Head for the moment

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The Convert said:
Exactly. I too am not a fan but let's see it play out

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Plus if in the future Paine does retire he’s literally one of the only blokes with some captaincy ability.

I’ve said this for months- Smith won’t captain again just don’t feel he wants to
 
Snuffaluphagus said:
I wasn’t saying drop Head, I was saying Green has a legitimate case for being next in line
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Not while he has a stress fracture he doesn’t. Let’s see how he is in a year or so.
 

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LukeParkerno1 said:
Wouldn’t be totally against Swepson as the second spinner although don’t we have Lab and Head in the side? How many spinners do we need?
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I wouldn't even bother with a second spinner at all.

Maybe O'Keefe, but the others are just not good enough. I don't think Agar is consistent enough to play as an allrounder, and as a bowler Lab wouldn't really be much worse.

Holland is average, Swepson who knows and there isn't anyone else worth mentioning.
 
Another young cricketer with a back made of glass.

Maybe the silver lining will be he further develops his batting. I'd be batting him above Stoinis for WA.
 
Nuke Fremantle said:
Another young cricketer with a back made of glass.

Maybe the silver lining will be he further develops his batting. I'd be batting him above Stoinis for WA.
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There’s zero need to rush. Give him time Cummins took 6 years before he was fine
 
Ok Boomer said:
I wouldn't even bother with a second spinner at all.

Maybe O'Keefe, but the others are just not good enough. I don't think Agar is consistent enough to play as an allrounder, and as a bowler Lab wouldn't really be much worse.

Holland is average, Swepson who knows and there isn't anyone else worth mentioning.
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I haven't really been impressed by what I've seen from Swepson.

Bowls far too many full tosses.
 

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