Opinion Cameron Guthrie

[Partridge]

here's his game yesterday, as you can see, was below usual standard but not as bad as the OP makes him out to be.

He's meant to be "struggling"? Apart from the one poor decision to take the tackler on there wasn't a lot wrong there. Notice his kicks tend to find their target? Useful attribute that.

 

[The rabbi]

i think bews will take hes spot in time.i liked what i seen in bews

Just remind me. How many AFL games has Bews played to give you good reason to like him as a player?

 

[denicat]

Just remind me. How many AFL games has Bews played to give you good reason to like him as a player?

well i seen bews in vfl grand final i liked hes run with the ball.and with guthrie just never seen anything to say hey this guy is special.i see it in bews only my thoughts dont jump down my throught

 

[denicat]

only my thoughts i see something in motlop smedts vardy murdoch george mccarthy kersten bews eardley hamling thurlow.dont see guthrie stringer walker sheringham brown burbury bathie .as having x factor

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Didn't have the greatest game yesterday, but the frees Thomas got were bullshit, and two of his goals came from frees infringed by Christensen and Sheringham. Can't blame Guthrie for that.

The other was an advantage play on for a holding the ball against Kelly.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

He's meant to be "struggling"? Apart from the one poor decision to take the tackler on there wasn't a lot wrong there. Notice his kicks tend to find their target? Useful attribute that.

2:37...champagne.

He might have even got away with the decision not to handball out of the backline; the ball just slipped out of his hands (still a stuff-up, no doubt). And he's not only accurate with his kicking...he's creative as well.

 

[RegHickeyStand]

only my thoughts i see something in motlop smedts vardy murdoch george mccarthy kersten bews eardley hamling thurlow.dont see guthrie stringer walker sheringham brown burbury bathie .as having x factor

x-factor?

The players that make it have the dedication. We can't see that until they have approaching 50 games, and then we can see how much they are improving themselves with hard work. They all have the ability. And some of them have been given more noticeable glamorous roles to start with. Guthrie hasn't.

 

[gocats88]

Guthrie has good awareness and a neat kick, who was a originally a midfielder playing back pocket. Hopefully when some of the older brigagde of midfeilders retire I.e Corey or make way he can play back in his natural position.

 

[Turbocat]

Deni , not all young kids are standouts. Motlop for example radiates his positive and his negatives but with Guthrie its far more subtle.
He is they type of player who builds a game tally , a Sanderson type who by the time they are experienced you can rely on him to play his role with minimal error. He may well develop into a Kelly type mid who's now recognized as an important part of our side.
I certainly feel he needs a bigger body. If he could add more strength to his game his worth would elevate. In the mean time , he will be a lot better when he has the full compliment of our AFL side around him. Be patient , his time will come

 

[Partridge]

Guthrie has good awareness and a neat kick, who was a originally a midfielder playing back pocket. Hopefully when some of the older brigagde of midfeilders retire I.e Corey or make way he can play back in his natural position.

Possibly. Of course it could eventuate that he becomes very good as a defender and they decide to leave him there. Either way, whatever works in him becoming a fixture in the senior side (and personally I think he's a certainty to do that) is good for the club. That's the main thing.

 

[muttonchops]

Just think how good Ablett, Bartel, Johnson, Kelly, Enright etc were after 20 games. Guthrie is tracking nicely for a 20 gamer. Judge him more critically after 50.

 

[SJ]

only my thoughts i see something in motlop smedts vardy murdoch george mccarthy kersten bews eardley hamling thurlow.dont see guthrie stringer walker sheringham brown burbury bathie .as having x factor

I've got Guthrie so far ahead of Motlop it isn't funny.

Half the other lads haven't even stepped foot on the paddock yet, either.

 

[footscore]

would have liked to see how Hunt would have coped without the support of an experienced Rivers, Taylor, or Enright.

One out with Lindsay Thomas may have been a bit iffy.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

x-factor?

The players that make it have the dedication. We can't see that until they have approaching 50 games, and then we can see how much they are improving themselves with hard work. They all have the ability. And some of them have been given more noticeable glamorous roles to start with. Guthrie hasn't.

Bingo...much easier for a player to stand out when they are given a role with more freedom and less responsibility.

Back pocket is a very tough position for a young kid and Guthrie is doing well to be doing it as well as he is at age 20.

And the fact that MC put him in such a position on the field says that they have faith in him.

 

[dazbroncos]

Guthrie will be fine.

Anyone remember how #44 was traveling at the same point.... He turned out ok. Not saying Cam will be Boris, but he's doing fine.

And his run from HBF is pretty good too....

Bews has got skills and will get better.. and is also in a moonboot right now so its a moot point....

Go Catters

 

[FredLeDeux]

Guthrie will be fine.

Anyone remember how #44 was traveling at the same point.... He turned out ok. Not saying Cam will be Boris, but he's doing fine.

And his run from HBF is pretty good too....

Bews has got skills and will get better.. and is also in a moonboot right now so its a moot point....

Go Catters

 

[Cicatriz]

I rate him. I think he'll be one of those players who slots in and does the hard and unnoticed things. One year he'll miss a few games and we'll realise who much we miss him.

 

[Willo_]

only my thoughts i see something in motlop smedts vardy murdoch george mccarthy kersten bews eardley hamling thurlow.dont see guthrie stringer walker sheringham brown burbury bathie .as having x factor

Interesting argument.... especailly considering you list Burbury as not having x factor.. I actually think he is all xfactor and the reason he is still only a rookie and hasn't cracked a senior game because you need to have more than that.
I have said all along i see a very very good player for us in Guthrie. Composed, good decision maker... I would rather that than someone who makes the highlight reel every week but does nothing else

Personally i don't see anything in Schroder.. the rest of the list i actually have seen glimpes and bits and pieces that give me hope for them

 

[Partridge]

Just think how good Ablett, Bartel, Johnson, Kelly, Enright etc were after 20 games. Guthrie is tracking nicely for a 20 gamer. Judge him more critically after 50.

Guthrie is ahead of Ablett and Enright, level with Bartel and probably behind Johnson and Kelly (for those who've forgotten, Kelly was clearly the standout of the 2001 draft at the time).

But also, it's not about comparing him to past players and expecting that he must be like them; it's whether or not he has showed promise at senior level, and is he improving? I'd say the answers are a resounding yes and yes.

 

[Partridge]

Personally i don't see anything in Schroder.. the rest of the list i actually have seen glimpes and bits and pieces that give me hope for them

To me Schroder looks a yard off the pace at the moment - physically and mentally. Not writing him off though, he's young as well. More work in the VFL will hopefully get the improvement he needs.

 

[Hoffy95]

Half the Cats board were taking a packet of Twisties to ship Tom Hawkins off after the Sydney loss late in 2011.

Guthrie will be a quality player.

 

[vinum coupe]

Can someone help me i dont see anything in him.is there something i dont see?

Ok, I'll play.
This is what I see in him.

I said it a year ago, and it's a risky comment. But I see a young Ablett in a lot of ways.
*waits for people to get back up off the ground*

Probably crossed with a bit of Andrew Bews.
He is nippy, he is a ball hunter, he has confidence and calmness that you can't teach. Not at his age.
I've said it before, but I reckon he will end up as an elite midfielder.

It's rare to see him up across half forward but the next time he gets there, watch him.
He won't hesitate. He will either put it on someones chest or he'll slam it through. He wont flinch.
It generally takes players a long time to believe that they are good enough. I think he believes already.

It's why he'll be a 200 game player and best and fairest for the Cats.
Will he reach Abletts level? No way. I'm not suggesting that. But you are going to see someone who has the will and desire to put his stamp on the contest, all the time.

 

[footscore]

To me Schroder looks a yard off the pace at the moment - physically and mentally. Not writing him off though, he's young as well. More work in the VFL will hopefully get the improvement he needs.

yeh he's an interesting one isn't he, he could have kicked 2 goals on Saturday but narrowly missed both and finished with 3 behinds, I heard commentators mention he's one of the most accurate kicks for goal in the VFL too.
A player who can find their way toward goal but still gather as many touches as what Hunt or Murdoch did is something to keep a watch on.

 

[FredLeDeux]

yeh he's an interesting one isn't he, he could have kicked 2 goals on Saturday but narrowly missed both and finished with 3 behinds, I heard commentators mention he's one of the most accurate kicks for goal in the VFL too.
A player who can find their way toward goal but still gather as many touches as what Hunt or Murdoch did is something to keep a watch on.

I thought the knock on Schroder on this Board has always been his kicking?
The important thing about his game on Saturday, to me anyway, was how well he finished it off in a high-pressure last 1/4.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I thought the knock on Schroder on this Board has always been his kicking?
The important thing about his game on Saturday, to me anyway, was how well he finished it off in a high-pressure last 1/4.

As far as I can remember, it's always been his endurance, for a guy who would have to play midfield as well as forward to justify a spot in an AFL team.