Opinion Cameron Guthrie

[Corio cat]

Hunt spent the whole of the 1st half v NM tagging Harvey, starting with him on the wing, and forcing Harvey to move from the wing to the FP because the tag was so effective - only 7 disposals in the 1st half.
In the 2nd half Hunt stayed in defence when Harvey went back on to the ball where, untagged, he became one of their better players.
CS has shown by his actions that he is likely to use Hunt in both roles.

? was harvey playing on wing or playing as a small forward starting high (which is what I thought I saw? can't recall Taylor starting in middle in any of the games, we can disagree and see how they line up thursday and who plays on dangerfield. Whoever it is needs to be on their game!.

 

[FredLeDeux]

? was harvey playing on wing or playing as a small forward starting high (which is what I thought I saw? can't recall Taylor starting in middle in any of the games, we can disagree and see how they line up thursday and who plays on dangerfield. Whoever it is needs to be on their game!.

I don't know what position Harvey was nominally playing, but he was physically starting by standing on the wing and Hunt was alongside him, and every time he went near the ball Hunt was again there right alongside him throughout the 1st half.
And don't forget Sloane - not as flashy, and not as "in" with the babblers, but every bit as dangerous, and more consistent throughout the game.

 

[Sicboy]

Love to know why at Enright's age, having never played midfield at any point in his career, why you would want to try that out now. Especially as he's looked in absolutely perfect nick in his usual position in the pre-season.

I really hope that's just Scott talking garbage for media consumption. We neither need nor want Enright in the midfield this year. We do need him grooming Taylor Hunt or Thurlow or Bews in the backline however.

When he started at the club he mostly played midfield(2002/2003etc) Don't think he will play much midfield nowadays though.

 

[dazbroncos]

You don't think Guthrie would go straight to Dangerfield? He'd be the more dangerous player to mind you would think.

Agree that Danger is their best MF but I'm not sure CG is strong enough all day long. I'd be thinking Kelly in close. He has lost a step sure but id back his better strength and tackling pressure over his loss of pace in and around the contest. Danger is just such a bull.

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[vinum coupe]

Fair call, yes maybe that's incorrect and poorly worded on my part.

Having said that, I certainly wouldn't advocate Varcoe as a run with player ahead of Guthrie. For as much reason as that Varcoe's attacking strengths (at his best) are at least as good as Guthrie's defensive abilities.

We are going to need Varcoes outside run anyway.
I'd only do it if he was offering us nothing in the first half.

But Varcoe is not a tagger. He might be able to do it for a 1/4 or so, but that's about it.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Da coach no say dat.

spending too much time with youre great grand kids?

 

[Partridge]

We are going to need Varcoes outside run anyway.
I'd only do it if he was offering us nothing in the first half.

But Varcoe is not a tagger. He might be able to do it for a 1/4 or so, but that's about it.

Pretty much how I see it. Unrealistic to suddenly give him a role he's never done, and not sure why you'd want an attacking weapon like him doing it anyway.

 

[bulletproof]

I can't think of many players less suited to a tagging role than Varcoe, maybe Hawkins. Varcoe just has to focus on getting the ball (he did that late last year) and using it well (he didn't do that last year). I am quite enthusiastic about what I have seen from Varcoe in pre-season, the test will be bringing that game when there is real pressure on. With no Motlop, we need Varcoe at his very best.

 

[catempire]

Varcoe will be a revelation in 2014, but not as a tagger.

 

[El Dubya]

Agree that Danger is their best MF but I'm not sure CG is strong enough all day long. I'd be thinking Kelly in close. He has lost a step sure but id back his better strength and tackling pressure over his loss of pace in and around the contest. Danger is just such a bull.

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Danger is a seriously good mid, but Guthrie can tag him Cameron Ling style, "If I have the ball, you don't". We all saw the way Guthrie pushed off Pendlebury in the pre season to win a clearance. If you can do that against the class of Pendlebury, you can do it against Dangerfield. At the same time Dangerfield is incredibly dangerous with the ball in his hands, but with Guthrie in his pocket his efficiency should drop, and hopefully as a midfield group Kelly, Selwood and Caddy can work to clog their run, effect turn overs and beat them with our run and spread.

 

[catempire]

I was thinking today that, while I'm very happy for Guthrie to tag when there's a Dangerfield type in the opposition team, at least while Motlop and Christensen are out, it would be good to have him used as more of an attacking weapon to help fill the pace/skills void (which Guthrie has in spades).

I hope to see this starting this week v Brisbane.

 

[manboob]

It's such a demoralising slap in the face. "Oh I've kept you to 10 possessions, now I make goal on you!"

 

[Jon Douglas]

I was not a fan of Guthrie playing midfield but he was sensational. He made a huge difference in helping us win the midfield battle. I gave him votes.

If he plays like he did on Danger - on a lesser opponent he will probably completely nullify them and still get a fair mount of ball.

When we get back Bundy then what happens ? Good problem to have - as they say.

 

[Willo_]

When we get back Bundy then what happens ? Good problem to have - as they say.

He probably replaces a McCarthy and is also just added to the midfield rotation (limited initially considering how long he will have been out and increasing his time there each game)

Can't see it really affecting Cams role

 

[AM]

yeh and Guthrie nearly scored a goal which would have made it a superb game as that's exactly what Lingy use to do iwmorton

Do you think had the umps paid a tad more attention to the prohibited contact rule Guthrie might have had to alter his tactics? Just sayin......

 

[Jon Douglas]

He probably replaces a McCarthy and is also just added to the midfield rotation (limited initially considering how long he will have been out and increasing his time there each game)

Can't see it really affecting Cams role

Yes Bundy will be added to midfield rotation list but you can only have so many mids at centre bounces - so his return will have some impact on Guthrie - unless he just goes on and off with his direct opponent.

The good news is if they try to drag Guthrie deep that probably plays to his strong suite.

 

[catempire]

Do you think had the umps paid a tad more attention to the prohibited contact rule Guthrie might have had to alter his tactics? Just sayin......

Nope. Didn't see much prohibited contact. The main thing I saw him do to great effect was to be right on Dangerfield's hammer so that he could lay a tackle as soon as he took possession. He then really followed through with the tackle, often landing on top of Dangerfield or grinding him into the ground. Time after time Dangerfield got up looking sore. To his credit, he never stopped having a crack.

It's very hard for umpires to see everything of course...

 

[manboob]

Back in my day it was called a) making it stick or b) making him earn it.

 

[Partridge]

Do you think had the umps paid a tad more attention to the prohibited contact rule Guthrie might have had to alter his tactics? Just sayin......

No, because he did absolutely nothing illegal. Every time he waited until Dangerfield had the ball and then he buried him. There was one instance where Gerald Healy was bitching that Dangerfield didn't get a free, even though the replay clearly showed Guthrie letting go of Dangerfield after the ball spilled loose.

Newsflash Gerald - just because you love a player the opposition don't have to let him get the ball. I'm very happy about the way they showed Dangerfield zero respect and slammed him into the turf every chance they had.

 

[Teriyakicat]

No, because he did absolutely nothing illegal. Every time he waited until Dangerfield had the ball and then he buried him. There was one instance where Gerald Healy was bitching that Dangerfield didn't get a free, even though the replay clearly showed Guthrie letting go of Dangerfield after the ball spilled loose.

Newsflash Gerald - just because you love a player the opposition don't have to let him get the ball. I'm very happy about the way they showed Dangerfield zero respect and slammed him into the turf every chance they had.

Cam Guthrie- 1 Free For, ZERO against.Dangerfield- 1 Free For, 2 against.Says it all, really. Do you think the umpires would have sat back and watched illegal tactics and let them go?

 

[El Dubya]

Before we get too excited about Guthrie, Adelaide provided nothing for Dangerfield (maybe they know he's gone!) against someone like Mitchell and Hawthorn Guthrie will be receiving attention from Lewis trying to free Mitchell. Same goes for Fremantle. Really great game from Cam, but he's got far tougher tests in the next few weeks.

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[Partridge]

Before we get too excited about Guthrie, Adelaide provided nothing for Dangerfield (maybe they know he's gone!) against someone like Mitchell and Hawthorn Guthrie will be receiving attention from Lewis trying to free Mitchell. Same goes for Fremantle. Really great game from Cam, but he's got far tougher tests in the next few weeks.

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But do they? To me it gets greatly - severely - overrated in the press. What's Lewis going to do exactly? No one is going to take him out off the ball. Mitchell has been tagged by us very successfully for years and Ling never ended up unconscious. If Guthrie can do his job he'll be fine.

 

[El Dubya]

But do they? To me it gets greatly - severely - overrated in the press. What's Lewis going to do exactly? No one is going to take him out off the ball. Mitchell has been tagged by us very successfully for years and Ling never ended up unconscious. If Guthrie can do his job he'll be fine.

Lewis and Sewell can offer blocks for Mitchell in a way that Adelaide just didn't. I'm definitely not saying Cam isn't up for it, just that it will be harder against better teams.

 

[vinum coupe]

And Mitchell is a different match up. He doesn't rely on run to hurt you.
It's the 10m handball dished out in the blink of an eye that hurts.

My gut feel is Guthrie will do well on him. He just needs to be careful about trying to run off him.

 

[dazbroncos]

have to agree and didn't like the way they were carrying on suggesting he should be getting free kicks and such. They replayed the one where he was down on the ground and clutching his chest as if he had been belted by Ballantyne and Eddie was questioning why there was no free kick but there was absolutely nothing in it whatsoever!
The crap Selwood and Johnson have been putting up with for years is something Danger will need to get very use to as he starts to cop a tag on a weekly basis.

If I had a dollar for every time Ive heard a commentator say he just needs to break the tag….

Now it goes the other way and" my God they are killing him"

And the double standard rolls on….

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