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Roylion this dude has been baiting you this whole time. He is only interested in stringing you along longer, not winning the argument.
From 2000 onwards he won 3xAA, 2x MVP's, 2x premiership B&F's, 4x AFL best captain awards and an AFL most courageous award. He was the best player in the league for a couple of years after 2000...I tried pointing that out earlier in the thread, but nobody seems to care. It's the "let's bag the crap out of that useless, tagging, no hoping, ranga, fence sitter ugly, goose, less intelligence than a 3 year old" thread now.
Not many want to actually discuss the topic at hand, which even then is really quite pointless as it's just his opinion. Really, why would anyone even care if he doesn't rate Voss (which incidentally is not what he said, but hey let's put that in the title of the thread anyway). How dare he have an opinion that's different to mine - righto, lets jump on BigFooty and bag the ugly ranga - BigFooty 101.
So he's racist and doesn't like Ranga's.No Goodes? What a drunk twat.
I wouldn't have Hird in for the same reason i wouldn't have Goodes.From 2000 onwards he won 3xAA, 2x MVP's, 2x premiership B&F's, 4x AFL best captain awards and an AFL most courageous award. He was the best player in the league for a couple of years after 2000...
Didn't Ling have Hird and Buckley in his top 10? Both are a few years older than Voss... Voss retired in 2006 and I am not sure Hird and Buckley did a great deal after then...
From 2000 onwards he won 3xAA, 2x MVP's, 2x premiership B&F's, 4x AFL best captain awards and an AFL most courageous award. He was the best player in the league for a couple of years after 2000...
Didn't Ling have Hird and Buckley in his top 10? Both are a few years older than Voss... Voss retired in 2006 and I am not sure Hird and Buckley did a great deal after then...
He did a much better job in 2014...Shittest football analyst in the game and the personality of a toilet roll holder.
Lost me the moment his 2013 Rising Star votes were revealed:
Cameron Ling
5 – Jaeger O’Meara
4 – Brad Crouch
3 – Nick Vlastuin
2 – Tom Mitchell
1 – Aaron Mullett
Ollie Wines, 24 games @ 20 mostly contested disposals a game as an 18 yo inside midfielder: 0 votes
Couple years later justified it on twitter with "I forgot "
Well not now!
Pretty much after voss, hirds & Buckleys coaching careers, it leaves a dent in their playing careers as all known failed coaches
Yeah nah. Voss won a Brownlow and All Australians with a shithouse Brisbane Bears team. But I don't give a hoot about stats; stats say Buckley was better in the 2002 GF. And you know what? The stats are wrong.
Arguing Buckley was a better player than Voss is at least reasonable; a better captain though? Delusional.
Yes that's the one. The Norm Smith victory that forever changed the voting procedure due to it exposing serious flaws in a system that saw Bucks win the medal in a game where he wasn't the best player over 4 quarters.
Never said Buckley wasn't superb. Just said Voss was better. And he deadset was.
Agree to disagree, Buckley carried the team on his back that day (as he did throughout his career), stop Buckley and you stopped Collingwood, as for Voss, i actually don't even think he was the best mid in his own team.
A game is played for 4 quarters not just the last 15 mintes of it that you remember freshly.
Lappin was clearly the 4th best mid in the team. He had basically no inside game and wasnt as talented as ackermanis.Spot on, on both accounts. I actually thought Nigel Lappin was their best mid despite him being the only one not to win a BL.
Exactly! Which is why they changed the Norm Smith voting until after 4 quarters had been played rather than 3 and a half.
Always love a good quote from the past. That post is nearly 3 years old.
What about Cousins? Just fell short of perfect troll executionBlack
Judd
Ablett
Swan
Pendlebury
Fyfe
Dangerfield
Selwood
Mitchell
Brent Harvey
Martin
Kennedy
Kerr
All clearly better post 2000
No one besides Collingwood supporters believe thisVoss wasn't best on for 4 quarters so your EFA is more just s**t dribble. He did a couple things in the last that had the media frothing that's why it was changed if the game is watched for it's entirety then Buckley was the better player for longer. Voss wasn't even 2nd for much of it.
Magpies fans acting like they can actually remember the game. Yeah ok. You probably watched it once, live, 20 years ago. Me and every Brisbane fan have probably watched that game at least 100 times since it happened, and it is fresh in our memories, compared to the drunk haze that Magpies fans remember it in.
For a single game, Voss had a remarkable amount of legendary Grand Final moments. From the Burns hit, recovery, and hand ball to Black for the goal, to the 55 metre launch to put Brisbane ahead just before the 3 quarter time siren, and the clutch mark/cramp late in the 4th. From that goal onwards he was the single most influential player in the game in his typical never say die style.
60% of the voters said that they would've voted for Voss if they had've voted at the end of the game, rather than 3 quarter time. Thus Voss would've won the vote count 10-9 over Buckley.