Cameron Ling

[winty]

A few mates and I were having a discussion about Ling, and someone (ok, it was me! ) mentioned that if Thompson wasn't coach it'd be very likely he wouldn't even be on the list anymore. What does everyone else think?

 

[darren forssman]

cmon man, no Ling bashing here, its not tolerated.

by the way, how many threads does the great man have?

 

[CF]

Funny thing is that many Geelong supporters have written him off yet he still manages to get in the best players selections most weeks in the media. I don't know how many other dud players can get 25-30 pocessions each week, but Linga keeps on keeping on.

 

[Stoney]

Funny thing is that many Geelong supporters have written him off yet he still manages to get in the best players selections most weeks in the media. I don't know how many other dud players can get 25-30 pocessions each week, but Linga keeps on keeping on.

Your spot on ... I dont know any duds who get the ball 25-30 times a week and get in the best regularly either.

What I DO know is how many dud posters are on this site and regularly pay Lingy out for lacklustre disposal and so-called "poor performances" where he still leads our disposals count for the match.

 

[Partridge]

Funny thing is that many Geelong supporters have written him off yet he still manages to get in the best players selections most weeks in the media. I don't know how many other dud players can get 25-30 pocessions each week, but Linga keeps on keeping on.

Mainly because most journalists don't watch the game properly so they rely totally on statistics to base their reviews on.

Answer this question - what does he do with those 25-30 possessions exactly? They sure as hell don't go forward and they don't go to teammates. Friday night he had only 15 disposals for the night and his direct opponent was BOG. Was that Ling "keeping on" as you put it? Or was he just utter rubbish as usual?

 

[thejester]

A few mates and I were having a discussion about Ling, and someone (ok, it was me! ) mentioned that if Thompson wasn't coach it'd be very likely he wouldn't even be on the list anymore. What does everyone else think?

Sometimes he can do the job - how often does Scott West get nullified - but equally he can sometimes fail. IMO there can be a lack of imagination when Ling is used. If he's not tagging well, pull him off and send him into the forward line. It's where he grew up and in the past he's shown he can take a strong overhead mark and kick a goal.

 

[darren forssman]

Answer this question - what does he do with those 25-30 possessions exactly? They sure as hell don't go forward and they don't go to teammates. Friday night he had only 15 disposals for the night and his direct opponent was BOG. Was that Ling "keeping on" as you put it? Or was he just utter rubbish as usual?

he isnt utter rubbish, but watching the game on friday and paying close attention to him after the drubbing he receives on this board. the disposals he had either put an opponent under real pressure or he got tackled and dribbled a handpass out. it was only game but he was ineffective.

 

[Rosella]

A few mates and I were having a discussion about Ling, and someone (ok, it was me! ) mentioned that if Thompson wasn't coach it'd be very likely he wouldn't even be on the list anymore. What does everyone else think?

Is the question about Ling or Thompson? If it's Thompson, the board and the playing group chose him as vice captain, so it sounds pretty unanimous. If it's Ling, well he's had one bad year. Are you saying they should have got rid of him at the end of last year? When he was 4th in the B&F?

I'm no fan and I don't think things are any better, but that's just mad. Dropping him would be one thing (and a very good idea) but getting rid of him?

 

[thehoff]

Your spot on ... I dont know any duds who get the ball 25-30 times a week and get in the best regularly either.

What I DO know is how many dud posters are on this site and regularly pay Lingy out for lacklustre disposal and so-called "poor performances" where he still leads our disposals count for the match.

Just because he gets the ball alot does not mean he benefits the team. He could have 65 kicks & 20 handballs and still be far less damaging than GAJ or Chappy who have 15-20 touches. Difference is, GAJ and Chappy use the ball effectively and create.

Ling puts people under pressure and is fast becoming a liabilty to the team. Ling handballs to peoples feet, hospital passes and rarely kicks the ball forward.

He would be in my 22 but on the bench.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

A few mates and I were having a discussion about Ling, and someone (ok, it was me! ) mentioned that if Thompson wasn't coach it'd be very likely he wouldn't even be on the list anymore. What does everyone else think?

I love your work mate...but this is a tad premature. I agree though he hasnt started great but to me a number of the senior guys are struggling and hopefully its to do with the training regime which is tapering...and nothing else.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Mainly because most journalists don't watch the game properly so they rely totally on statistics to base their reviews on.

Answer this question - what does he do with those 25-30 possessions exactly? They sure as hell don't go forward and they don't go to teammates. Friday night he had only 15 disposals for the night and his direct opponent was BOG. Was that Ling "keeping on" as you put it? Or was he just utter rubbish as usual?

The journos rely on intelligent speculation rather than any serious or properly processed football analysis...spot on.

 

[WE Are Geelong]

Your spot on ... I dont know any duds who get the ball 25-30 times a week and get in the best regularly either.

What I DO know is how many dud posters are on this site and regularly pay Lingy out for lacklustre disposal and so-called "poor performances" where he still leads our disposals count for the match.

What do you think Ling's disposal strengths are at the moment? Quality wise..not quantity.

So many dud posters..you tell us why you are the best?

 

[charlie4prez]

Mainly because most journalists don't watch the game properly so they rely totally on statistics to base their reviews on.

Answer this question - what does he do with those 25-30 possessions exactly? They sure as hell don't go forward and they don't go to teammates. Friday night he had only 15 disposals for the night and his direct opponent was BOG. Was that Ling "keeping on" as you put it? Or was he just utter rubbish as usual?

Here here! Agree 100%

 

[CF]

ha ha he is another player in our team that sparks a wide ranging debate. Some love him, some hate him, some think he is past it and some thing he is a toiler who still has value. My comment was purely tongue in cheek but I have enjoyed reading the comments since.

 

[sarah.13]

Lings performance last Friday was very,very concerning. His opponent was BOG (so much for the tagging job). He had 15 disposals (3 kicks,12 handballs) Most of these being ineffective.

He has 3-4 games to find some decent form or he has to go.

 

[burto]

Mainly because most journalists don't watch the game properly so they rely totally on statistics to base their reviews on.

Answer this question - what does he do with those 25-30 possessions exactly? They sure as hell don't go forward and they don't go to teammates. Friday night he had only 15 disposals for the night and his direct opponent was BOG. Was that Ling "keeping on" as you put it? Or was he just utter rubbish as usual?

Agree 100%, as I usually do with your comments Partridge.

 

[TheTimeCometh]

reads a little cliquey to me.

 

[CF]

For what it is worth here are Lings stats for 2006:

248 kicks (108 long kicks),
131 Marks,
255 handballs,
48 tackles (ball rebounded from 50),
58 hardball gets,
67 loose ball gets,
kicked 10 goals,
finished 4th in the B&F (329 points),
and received 6 Brownlow votes.

average 28.8 possessions per game

 

[Zeroman]

Drop Ling to the 2s.
Send Thomo with him.

 

[joaey]

If only a players contribution was reflected according to 'junk stats' and 'effective disposals', instead of this (media-driven) obsession with stats.
Unfortunately i have to agree with partridge - lingy's disposals are rubbish.

We all have varying opinions about the best 22 and players worth to a side, but i'm sure we all agree that fundamentally we want guys that can get the ball to a teammate quickly and effectively.

 

[Claude Balls]

Your spot on ... I dont know any duds who get the ball 25-30 times a week and get in the best regularly either.

What I DO know is how many dud posters are on this site and regularly pay Lingy out for lacklustre disposal and so-called "poor performances" where he still leads our disposals count for the match.

Firstly, Ling averaged approximately 22 disposals per week... a far cry from 25 - 30.

Secondly, do you realise that of those 22 disposals, about 4 would actually be effective?

I suggest you watch him play before you continue to dye your hair red and paint on freckles.

Personally I'd rather have a pile of **** on the half forward line that caused an opposition player to slip than watch Ling dish out his classic hospital passes by hand and foot.

 

[Claude Balls]

For what it is worth here are Lings stats for 2006:

248 kicks (108 long kicks),
131 Marks,
255 handballs,
48 tackles (ball rebounded from 50),
58 hardball gets,
67 loose ball gets,
kicked 10 goals,
finished 4th in the B&F (329 points),
and received 6 Brownlow votes.

average 28.8 possessions per game

Did Ling only play 17 or 18 games last year? 503 disposals/22 games is about 22 touches a game...

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

If he's not tagging well, pull him off and send him into the forward line.

Maybe just send him to the forward line without the pulling off?

They tried this against the Lions, sat him in the goalsquare for the last quarter, and he didn't get a touch.

 

[winty]

For what it is worth here are Lings stats for 2006:

248 kicks (108 long kicks),
131 Marks,
255 handballs,
48 tackles (ball rebounded from 50),
58 hardball gets,
67 loose ball gets,
kicked 10 goals,
finished 4th in the B&F (329 points),
and received 6 Brownlow votes.

average 28.8 possessions per game

You forgot to mention his 6 score assists for the season, or one for every 90 odd touches. Extremely effective.

I was probably over reacting a bit in my OP, but I think if any of the other 15 coaches was at the helm at Geelong, then Ling would have least had a spell in the VFL. After all, Kelly had to, and I don't think he was any worse than Ling last year, quality of possession wise anyway.

 

[vc_viking]

For what it is worth here are Lings stats for 2006:

248 kicks (108 long kicks),
131 Marks,
255 handballs,
48 tackles (ball rebounded from 50),
58 hardball gets,
67 loose ball gets,
kicked 10 goals,
finished 4th in the B&F (329 points),
and received 6 Brownlow votes.

average 28.8 possessions per game

with all due respect mate, statistics means absolutely stuff all. You're only as good as your last game.