Cameron Sutcliffe Signed as SANFL Leadership Player.... Then Signed as AFL Rookie

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He's basically become the Jake Neade replacement... pressure forward.
Well, at least we are not sacrificing a quality player to waste his time being a defensive small forward when those guys are better left to play premier goal scoring forward or elite midfield roles.
 

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My opinion always has been that he's a capable AFL player and good depth, but at his age and with his limited upside he just didnt deserve a spot in the team.

He's played 3 shockers and then 1 good game, and we persisted through that. I would rather have pumped 3 games of half back tagging into Farrell, another game into Marshall or Ladhams Vs GWS, etc. Hell even give an exciting talent like Atley the crack he deserves, but don't just gift games to older players that haven't earnt it.

I hope he succeeds, and this week wasn't just a fluke, but hoping he succeeds doesn't change the fair and accurate criticism that Ken gets for picking him when he was unworthy.
 

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Here’s a little bit of useless information.

Sutcliffe is being paid $50k plus $4k per game, with a $20k bonus if he gets delisted and no-one picks him up. He’s also been paid $4k as the Magpies leadership player.

If he plays every game til the end of the season, that’s $102,000.

If you add the $4k next year and the year after, you’ll find we’ve paid him $33k for three years...we’ve just done it in advance. The best SANFL players get paid that. So what we can do now is go get another ex-AFL player, move Sutcliffe from the leadership player designation, and keep doing this until we’ve stacked our 5 top up players with AFL quality SA talent.

It’s not a primary or even secondary reason to play him...it’s just an added bonus.
 

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He’s also been paid $4k as the Magpies leadership player.
Says who? Why would we offer a leadership player the amount we can offer any other player from a metro or country league? Or are we hiding it by giving him a job in our NGA and community programs?

Also, a player payment cap will be introduced for the AFC and PAFC in line with the other SANFL clubs, consisting of:
  • Match payments at a maximum of $400 per League match.
  • An upfront/base payment maximum (per individual) of $4,000.
  • Total upfront/base payments (collective) of not more than $20,000.
  • In addition, the Leadership Player can only be paid a maximum upfront/ base payment of $20,000 and match payments of $500 per match. If the player was drafted from a SANFL Club prior to his AFL listing, there will also be a transfer fee payable to the SANFL Club in the sum of $25,000, as is the case if the player were to play for any other SANFL Club.

Re NGA and community programs

He was employed by the club to work with its Next Generation Academies and community programs with Alipate Carlile, John Hinge and Paul Stewart, and was named skipper of the Magpies. Sutcliffe said he “had an inkling” the Power might draft him last week but was only told for certain on Monday hours before the draft.
 

Lucifuge

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Says who? Why would we offer a leadership player the amount we can offer any other player from a metro or country league? Or are we hiding it by giving him a job in our NGA and community programs?

Also, a player payment cap will be introduced for the AFC and PAFC in line with the other SANFL clubs, consisting of:
  • Match payments at a maximum of $400 per League match.
  • An upfront/base payment maximum (per individual) of $4,000.
  • Total upfront/base payments (collective) of not more than $20,000.
  • In addition, the Leadership Player can only be paid a maximum upfront/ base payment of $20,000 and match payments of $500 per match. If the player was drafted from a SANFL Club prior to his AFL listing, there will also be a transfer fee payable to the SANFL Club in the sum of $25,000, as is the case if the player were to play for any other SANFL Club.

Re NGA and community programs

He was employed by the club to work with its Next Generation Academies and community programs with Alipate Carlile, John Hinge and Paul Stewart, and was named skipper of the Magpies. Sutcliffe said he “had an inkling” the Power might draft him last week but was only told for certain on Monday hours before the draft.
I read that as $20k total base payments, including the leadership player...and that it's up to the club if they want to spend it all on one player or distribute the $20k to all players. Guess I'm thinking the SANFL wouldn't be wanting to do us any favours.

If the leadership player is outside the cap, it makes it even more advantageous for an ex-AFL player to pick Port, because it means Sutcliffe is getting paid way more than even the best SANFL player after being picked up as a rookie.

I think the club is using the mid year rookie draft as a way of attracting better players to the Magpies. Play as a leadership player for a year, do work with the NGA, and we'll pick you up as a rookie for half a year to top up your pay for the three years to the level you'd be getting if you played in the SANFL for that time. As long as we pick players with the right kind of work ethic to help our kids develop, it will work out fine.

Adelaide can't do this because they are only allowed players the SANFL clubs release or SAAFL players that they have no vested interest in.
 

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Here’s a little bit of useless information.

Sutcliffe is being paid $50k plus $4k per game, with a $20k bonus if he gets delisted and no-one picks him up. He’s also been paid $4k as the Magpies leadership player.

If he plays every game til the end of the season, that’s $102,000.

If you add the $4k next year and the year after, you’ll find we’ve paid him $33k for three years...we’ve just done it in advance. The best SANFL players get paid that. So what we can do now is go get another ex-AFL player, move Sutcliffe from the leadership player designation, and keep doing this until we’ve stacked our 5 top up players with AFL quality SA talent.

It’s not a primary or even secondary reason to play him...it’s just an added bonus.
I mean that actually sounds horrible to me.

How is the rookie wage so freaking low while campaigners like Franklin are running around for a million a year. Ugh
 

Lucifuge

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I mean that actually sounds horrible to me.

How is the rookie wage so freaking low while campaigners like Franklin are running around for a million a year. Ugh
The base wage in the AFL is $105k + $5k per game. That's what Trengove and McKenzie would be on. Franklin would be getting paid $900k plus $110k in match payments...and I believe if a player gets injured (like Watts) they have to be paid as if they were playing but it counts outside the cap. Sydney will be looking to shed Franklin's contract.

I had this whole post typed out where I went through exactly who was getting what - guys like Rozee, Butters, Duursma, Farrell, Garner, Hayes, Grundy, Woodcock and Patmore are on fixed wages - and you soon figure out that the salary cap is a great leveller against stacking a super team.
 

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If you compare Franklin on 1mil and Cam Hewett on 50k, the former with almost 1000 goals to his name is a bargain.
Hewett and other rookies are on a $75k base in 2019. Suttcliffe gets part a rookies base because he gets drafted in May, but $50k and higher than straight pro rata because those guys have to leave their jobs and have added expenses if the have to go live interstate.

Oh Buddy gets $1.3m this year, $1.4m next year and $1.5m in 2021 before $1m in 2022. I guess $100k each year is match payments and the rest is base payments, so missing 10+ games with injuries isn't that painful to the wallet.
 

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If you compare Franklin on 1mil and Cam Hewett on 50k, the former with almost 1000 goals to his name is a bargain.
It's not about value, you could argue both are worth zero if you wanted.

The point is that 50k is not a great base wage given how important rookie players are to the AFL, and how much money the AFL has.

I understand its probably a decent wage from the general public's POV, but pretty much everyone in the general public is super underpaid anyway lol
 

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Sutcliffe & the other mid-season draft boys earn the $50k + match payments for the half years work, so not quite as bad as it originally sounds. Agree $75k p.a for rookies does sound harsh, but thinking about it the majority are sub-21 years old so you'd be earning more than your peers who are either at uni or tradies or "just chilling" or whatever. Living arrangements would either be at home with the parents if fortunate enough to remain in home city, or in club supplied accom with host family or subsidised sharehouse living with a bunch of other lads. So with a lot of your typical costs subsidised, even if the system spits you out in a year or two you still are pretty likely to come out of it in a good place to go into the next phase of your life.
 

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I find it hard to see a spot for him on the list next year, but has done a very very good job in the SANFL captaincy role which he does deserve more than the derision he often receives here. Another very good game on the weekend and god it would be good to see some success back at the club with him leading the side to the flag in a fortnight🤞
 

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I find it hard to see a spot for him on the list next year, but has done a very very good job in the SANFL captaincy role which he does deserve more than the derision he often receives here. Another very good game on the weekend and god it would be good to see some success back at the club with him leading the side to the flag in a fortnight🤞
Would be great seeing Cam Sutcliffe lifting up the cup with the Prison Bars on the front and the No.1 on his back.
 

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