Camp Findings from Sam McClure

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Don't find that shocking.
Obviously was stupidly done.
Talk about Sam Jacobs' brother was already known.
Indigenous stick routine (again stupid) already known.
Player should have guts to put name to quote.
McClure so duplicitous saying camp was why Gov left when he himself reported he wanted to leave after 2017 finals.
Has Jacobs and JJ's fingerprints all over it.
 

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Literally not a single piece of new information.
I'm not sure about that. While the information has been vague in the past, this has specific information and off-the-record quotes from players involved.

The piece seems to be at least an attempt at actually determining what occurred and sorting the reality from the stupid rumors
 

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LOL @ people here who are simultaneously convinced that the club is corrupt and rotten to the core, but also instantly dismissive of anything remotely critical of the Adelaide Football Club in the press.

No wonder nothing gets fixed, they have you wrapped around their finger.
Pyke, Burton, campo all sacked. Their part way to fixing it
 

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LOL @ people here who are simultaneously convinced that the club is corrupt and rotten to the core, but also instantly dismissive of anything remotely critical of the Adelaide Football Club in the press.

No wonder nothing gets fixed, they have you wrapped around their finger.
You think it's an illuminating, new, insightful piece of journalism?
 

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Just curious.

Has any AFL "Journalist" done any poking around and asked why AFL clubs stopped going to camps in Dubai and Arizona after the Essendon saga blew up?



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I'd have thought a big part of that is the salary cap on football departments which wasn't a thing when those trips were happening.
 

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So basically, based on the article:

True
  1. Only senior leaders were subjected to the "intense" psychological part of the camp
  2. There was a talking stick involved and it offended the indigenous players, then the club offended them further with their response
  3. There was unexpected lack of contact with family members, and players had to surrender their phones
  4. Club welfare staff weren't present
  5. Club doctor Mark Cesana wrote a report expressing concerns
  6. Players were tied to trees in exercise where they were abused while attempting to free themselves. Said abuse was personal and info was provided by the club
  7. Lynch had a medical issue and the camp failed to act with an appropriate duty of care
  8. Pyke and Campo were present with the "intense" group
False
  1. Tied to trees naked and/or made to touch other players inappropriately
  2. Abuse directed at Sam Jacobs about his brother. Jacobs wasn't in the "intense" group
  3. Richmond song blared on repeat (although this did happen at training on another occasion)
  4. Players outside the 10 listed were psychologically abused (the 10 being Betts, Gibbs, Walker, Sloane, Lynch, Jenkins, Douglas, M. Crouch, Hartigan and Talia)
So in a nutshell, it was bad, but not as ridiculous as some of the rumors, and the worst parts of the camp were limited to senior players

There are some pretty damning confirmations though. Pyke and Campo being the only staff members with the "intense" group is weird and it's no surprise they were sacked. Presumably they wanted this group to face this intense stuff and put the other coaches in with the other less intense groups

Also, who provided Collective Mind with the personal information that was then used to abuse the players? Was it Pyke, Campo or Burton?

However the impact also isn't as damaging for player retention as McClure wants to paint it to be. Betts and Jenkins were the only players in the "intense" group we moved on. Others like McGovern, Hampton, Jacobs, Greenwood etc. were presumably with the middle "weird camp" group. Conflating the departure of a player like McGovern with the camp is a big stretch given the article specifically says this group experience was "not nearly as intense"

The evidence also doesn't suggest the camp cooked all the players mentally. Players like Sloane, M. Crouch, Lynch and Talia were just fine in the years afterwards.
 

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